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[ZiSunka]

Most Catholics do accept baptism of a Protestant, as long as you're baptised in the name of the father, the son, and the holy spirit it is valid, but there are usually some ppl that may not...but i asked them in OBOB and they said my baptism was perfectly valid for them.

Huh! That's interesting, because when my dad converted to catholic from presbyterian, they baptized him again because they said a protestant baptism was invalid and not a sacrament. When my coworker converted, they baptized him again, too, for the same reason. When my best friend converted, they baptized her, too. In fact, when I went to my friend's wedding two years ago, they baptized her husband after the rehearsal so he could take communion at the wedding.

It's strange that most catholics accept the baptism of other denoms but their church doesn't. I thought all that kind of thing was already figured out for catholics and they pretty much agree with what the church teaches, especially on matters of ceremony and sacrament. http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZNxdm86747US

 

[SumTinWong]

When I got baptized it was one for the money, two for the show, three to get ready... LOL

Just kidding

 

[GreenEyedLady]

Huh! That's interesting, because when my dad converted to catholic from presbyterian, they baptized him again because they said a protestant baptism was invalid and not a sacrament. When my coworker converted, they baptized him again, too, for the same reason. When my best friend converted, they baptized her, too. In fact, when I went to my friend's wedding two years ago, they baptized her husband after the rehearsal so he could take communion at the wedding.

It's strange that most catholics accept the baptism of other denoms but their church doesn't. I thought all that kind of thing was already figured out for catholics and they pretty much agree with what the church teaches, especially on matters of ceremony and sacrament.

same thing here Lambslove.
Crystal,
Maybe you should ask the church you are attending whether or not your baptism is valid that way you know for sure. Not everyone agrees with the churchs doctrine that they attend.
GEL

 

[ps139]

Huh! That's interesting, because when my dad converted to catholic from presbyterian, they baptized him again because they said a protestant baptism was invalid and not a sacrament. When my coworker converted, they baptized him again, too, for the same reason. When my best friend converted, they baptized her, too. In fact, when I went to my friend's wedding two years ago, they baptized her husband after the rehearsal so he could take communion at the wedding.

It's strange that most catholics accept the baptism of other denoms but their church doesn't. I thought all that kind of thing was already figured out for catholics and they pretty much agree with what the church teaches, especially on matters of ceremony and sacrament.

That is really odd. Perhaps they were not baptized with a Trinitarian formula? Either that or the pastor of that parish has no clue what he's doing .

With your friend's husband, it sounds like his baptism/confirmation/communion/wedding were all around the same time, which as long as he is sincere and has undergone preparation, is fine.

 

[ps139]

double post

 

[ZiSunka]

That is really odd. Perhaps they were not baptized with a Trinitarian formula? Either that or the pastor of that parish has no clue what he's doing .

With your friend's husband, it sounds like his baptism/confirmation/communion/wedding were all around the same time, which as long as he is sincere and has undergone preparation, is fine.

Oh no, they were all originally baptized with the "trinitarian formula." One was originally a presbyterian, one a disciples of Christ, one a lutheran and one a baptist, and I assure you from personal witness, those all baptize in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. The way it was explained to me more than once was that baptism isn't a sacrament unless a priest does it, so they all had to be rebaptized to make it a sacrament.

I found this in the catholic catechism:
"1233 Today in all the rites, Latin and Eastern, the Christian initiation of adults begins with their entry into the catechumenate and reaches its culmination in a single celebration of the three sacraments of initiation: Baptism, Confirmation, and the Eucharist.37 In the Eastern rites the Christian initiation of infants also begins with Baptism followed immediately by Confirmation and the Eucharist, while in the Roman rite it is followed by years of catechesis before being completed later by Confirmation and the Eucharist, the summit of their Christian initiation.38 "

Looks to me like initiation into catholicism for adults REQUIRES baptism. This was from "CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH SECOND EDITION--Part 2". It further goes on to say, "1256 The ordinary ministers of Baptism are the bishop and priest and, in the Latin Church, also the deacon.57 In case of necessity, anyone, even a non-baptized person, with the required intention, can baptize58 , by using the Trinitarian baptismal formula. The intention required is to will to do what the Church does when she baptizes. The Church finds the reason for this possibility in the universal saving will of God and the necessity of Baptism for salvation.59 "

The commentary with the Catechism goes on to say that baptism by anyone other than a priest, etc., is allowed only under cases of necessity, as in an emergency or if a person comes to faith outside the geographical reaches of the church and wishes to be baptized in an region where no catholic church currently exists. That probably wouldn't be the case almost anywhere in America. That is why adult catechumins are usually rebaptized when they convert.

 

[ps139]

The commentary with the Catechism goes on to say that baptism by anyone other than a priest, etc., is allowed only under cases of necessity, as in an emergency or if a person comes to faith outside the geographical reaches of the church and wishes to be baptized in an region where no catholic church currently exists. That probably wouldn't be the case almost anywhere in America. That is why adult catechumins are usually rebaptized when they convert.

The last part is actually false. What you have reported is actually against the Church's teachings, and the pastor of that church should have known better. According to Catholic teaching,a baptism in the Trinitarian formula is valid, no matter who does it, or what denomination they are, as long as the intent is there. Not all Protestant churches baptise in a Trinitarian formula. I know of one case where a Lutheran converted, and they asked his former pastor if he was baptized in the Trinitarian formula, and it turns out he was not, so he was baptized upon conversion to Catholicism. But I think that is rare. I am rreally shocked that a priest would rebaptize these people just because they were baptized in Protestant churches - that goes against Catholic teaching.

1271 Baptism constitutes the foundation of communion among all Christians, including those who are not yet in full communion with the Catholic Church: "For men who believe in Christ and have been properly baptized are put in some, though imperfect, communion with the Catholic Church. Justified by faith in Baptism, [they] are incorporated into Christ; they therefore have a right to be called Christians, and with good reason are accepted as brothers by the children of the Catholic Church." "Baptism therefore constitutes the sacramental bond of unity existing among all who through it are reborn."

An indelible spiritual mark . . .

1272 Incorporated into Christ by Baptism, the person baptized is configured to Christ. Baptism seals the Christian with the indelible spiritual mark (character) of his belonging to Christ. No sin can erase this mark, even if sin prevents Baptism from bearing the fruits of salvation. Given once for all, Baptism cannot be repeated.

So as you see, if these people were baptised in the Trinitarian formula, this priest that your friends know actually went against his own Church's teaching.

Ok I will butt out of this thread now .

 

[ZiSunka]

The last part is actually false. What you have reported is actually against the Church's teachings, and the pastor of that church should have known better. According to Catholic teaching,a baptism in the Trinitarian formula is valid, no matter who does it, or what denomination they are, as long as the intent is there. Not all Protestant churches baptise in a Trinitarian formula. I know of one case where a Lutheran converted, and they asked his former pastor if he was baptized in the Trinitarian formula, and it turns out he was not, so he was baptized upon conversion to Catholicism. But I think that is rare. I am rreally shocked that a priest would rebaptize these people just because they were baptized in Protestant churches - that goes against Catholic teaching.

It was four different churches in three different dioceses. Sts Peter and Paul in Warren, Ohio, the Newman Center at Ohio State, the Newman Center at Kent State, and St Luke's in Cleveland. Are you saying that four priests in four churches in three dioceses are doing it wrong?

So as you see, if these people were baptised in the Trinitarian formula, this priest that your friends know actually went against his own Church's teaching.

Ok I will butt out of this thread now .

I have seen been to baptisms at my dad's presby church, they baptize in the name of hte Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. I have been to baptisms at the other churches, too and they all are doing it the same. I was at a meeting of catechumins at the Newman Center while my friend was going through the preparation to become catholic, and the priest asked each person where they had been baptized. The people who were baptized in Anglican or Episcopal churches were not rebaptized, but all the people who were baptized in any other church were. No questions were asked about trinitarian baptism, it rested solely on the denom of the church. One woman even objected because her church used the same baptism ritual word for word as the catholic church, but she was told that no protestant church could have done it right and if she wanted to join catholicism she would have to submit to another baptism.

 

[CrystalBrooke]

same thing here Lambslove.
Crystal,
Maybe you should ask the church you are attending whether or not your baptism is valid that way you know for sure. Not everyone agrees with the churchs doctrine that they attend.
GEL

i dont attend mass unfortunatly...my parents wont allow me to so i have to wait til im 18 to officially convert but if i get to go next weekend i'll try to remember to ask Father Knight..thanks

 

[BT]

i dont attend mass unfortunatly...my parents wont allow me to so i have to wait til im 18 to officially convert but if i get to go next weekend i'll try to remember to ask Father Knight..thanks

That's odd, but I commend you on being obedient to your parents. I hope that you have taken time and really discussed your desire to convert with both your parents and your pastor. Either way, being obedient to your parents shows that your heart is in the right place. Way to go.

 

[ZiSunka]

i dont attend mass unfortunatly...my parents wont allow me to so i have to wait til im 18 to officially convert but if i get to go next weekend i'll try to remember to ask Father Knight..thanks

You don't have to go to mass to learn about Catholicism. If your church has a Bible study, get involved. Look at the Catholic websites. Talk to other catholics about what they believe and why. Two years is a long time, might as well put it to use while you are waiting!

 

[theseed]

Crystal, your family does not represent Baptist beliefs. Baptist believe that one must make a profession of faith before they are baptized. Every example of baptism in the book of Acts is an example of believer's baptism. So, anyone baptized as an infant would need to be rebaptized to join a Baptist church. Also, they believe that it should be by immersion.

 

[ps139]

It was four different churches in three different dioceses. Sts Peter and Paul in Warren, Ohio, the Newman Center at Ohio State, the Newman Center at Kent State, and St Luke's in Cleveland. Are you saying that four priests in four churches in three dioceses are doing it wrong?


I have seen been to baptisms at my dad's presby church, they baptize in the name of hte Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. I have been to baptisms at the other churches, too and they all are doing it the same. I was at a meeting of catechumins at the Newman Center while my friend was going through the preparation to become catholic, and the priest asked each person where they had been baptized. The people who were baptized in Anglican or Episcopal churches were not rebaptized, but all the people who were baptized in any other church were. No questions were asked about trinitarian baptism, it rested solely on the denom of the church. One woman even objected because her church used the same baptism ritual word for word as the catholic church, but she was told that no protestant church could have done it right and if she wanted to join catholicism she would have to submit to another baptism.

To be honest I find all of this unbelievable in the literal sense.

 

[ZiSunka]

To be honest I find all of this unbelievable in the literal sense.

I find that there is often a large variance between the actual practice of Catholicism and what the catechism teaches.

 

[ps139]

And that makes you happy?

 

[BT]

I dont' have a hat but pretend I do.




PEACE



The OP has been answered sufficiently. There is no need to side-track now.


Fake hat off.

 

[ZiSunka]

And that makes you happy?

Not in the least. I have no emotions about it whatsoever.

 

[CrystalBrooke]

You don't have to go to mass to learn about Catholicism. If your church has a Bible study, get involved. Look at the Catholic websites. Talk to other catholics about what they believe and why. Two years is a long time, might as well put it to use while you are waiting!

that's what i do when im on here...i talk to the Catholics and ask them all sorts of questions...they have been very helpful..and ive read small small portions of the Catechism. I have, however, been to mass one time...it was different..and i didnt like it at the time..but looking back it felt right...anyways..my question has been answered so i'll stop bumping this up thanks everyone!

 

[Busybee]

Well I'm now a member of a Baptist church but was baptized Church of Christ. I didn't have to be rebaptized. Our preacher simply asked me about the baptism and when I was saved and the reason I was baptized.

 

[ZiSunka]

I have, however, been to mass one time...it was different..and i didnt like it at the time..but looking back it felt right...anyways..my question has been answered so i'll stop bumping this up thanks everyone!

The faith you choose should be based on more than feelings. Really study catholicism and any other religion you might be interested in. Compare what any religion says with the word of God. You seem like a very intelligent girl who would enjoy that kind of research and knowledge!