080808 = War

joebudda · Aug 8, 2008

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7548715.stm

bbc.co.uk said:
Amid international calls for restraint, Georgia's president said 150 Russian tanks and other vehicles had entered South Ossetia.

Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili says he is willing to agree an immediate ceasefire

He told CNN: "Russia is fighting a war with us in our own territory."

Mr Saakashvili, who has called on reservists to sign up for duty, said: "This is a clear intrusion on another country's territory.

"We have Russian tanks on our territory, jets on our territory in broad daylight," Reuters new agency quoted him as saying.

It seems that Russia has started a war with Georgia today, 080808.
Yet the American Main Stream Media seems to be ignoring it in favor of the Olympics.
I don't know about you, but I think this is much bigger news then the Olympics are being this could be the start of the next world war.

joebudda · Aug 8, 2008

Over 10 Russian troops killed in S.Ossetia: defence ministry

Sylvanspirits · Aug 8, 2008

Methinks this is more important than the Olympics.

Thanks for the links.

jamesrwright3 · Aug 8, 2008

Did they attack Atlanta...

ArnautDaniel · Aug 8, 2008

joebudda said:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7548715.stm

It seems that Russia has started a war with Georgia today, 080808.
Yet the American Main Stream Media seems to be ignoring it in favor of the Olympics.
I don't know about you, but I think this is much bigger news then the Olympics are being this could be the start of the next world war.

It is entirely likely the date was deliberately chosen to minimize international media coverage.

Probably governments saw this coming, but they don't want to be forced by popular demand to take action against Russia. By the time the Olympics are over it is all a fait accompli and there is nothing to get in a huff about.

Russia did them all a nice favor.

joebudda · Aug 8, 2008

It seems that Georgia threw the first punch.

And they have now withdrew from Iraq where they were the third largest force along with the United States and Britain.

Which leads to the question on where the United States and Britain are going to stand on this? Will they stay out of it or will they support Georgia?

This might get really messy.

ArnautDaniel · Aug 8, 2008

joebudda said:
It seems that Georgia threw the first punch.

And they have now withdrew from Iraq where they were the third largest force along with the United States and Britain.

Which leads to the question on where the United States and Britain are going to stand on this? Will they stay out of it or will they support Georgia?

This might get really messy.

No one in the US or UK wants to start WWIII over a tiny country like Georgia.

mont974x4 · Aug 8, 2008

It's been on Fox News most of the morning. Georgia did not attack Russia. From what I can tell they are fighting to keep a part of their nation from breaking away.

Bush has stated supported for Georgia.

The United States is calling for an immediate cease fire between Georgia and Russia, administration officials said Friday, adding that the U.S. supports Georgia’s territorial rights in the flashpoint conflict over the breakaway region of South Ossetia.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,400083,00.html

joebudda · Aug 8, 2008

ArnautDaniel said:
No one in the US or UK wants to start WWIII over a tiny country like Georgia.

We can only hope.
But the foreign polices of these nations lately haven't been run with the best interest of "the people". So I can't really predict how this will go down.

joebudda · Aug 8, 2008

mont974x4 said:
It's been on Fox News most of the morning. Georgia did not attack Russia. From what I can tell they are fighting to keep a part of their nation from breaking away.

Bush has stated supported for Georgia.

The United States is calling for an immediate cease fire between Georgia and Russia, administration officials said Friday, adding that the U.S. supports Georgia’s territorial rights in the flashpoint conflict over the breakaway region of South Ossetia.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,400083,00.html

It is not looking good.
I wonder if there are United States troops moving there now since the line in the sand has "publicly" been drawn.

Gremlins · Aug 8, 2008

jamesrwright3 said:
Did they attack Atlanta...

This has been on the news plenty in Britain.

Perhaps this could be a chance for Brussels to actually do something constructive and organise a ceasefire?

ArnautDaniel · Aug 8, 2008

joebudda said:
It is not looking good.
I wonder if there are United States troops moving there now since the line in the sand has "publicly" been drawn.

The US doesn't have the troops to spare.

Seriously, if people were debating the ability of the US to take on Iran, then there is no way the US can take on Russia without pulling everything out of Iraq.

Although I suppose the US could dispatch some planes since it has total air superiority in Iraq.

joebudda · Aug 8, 2008

ArnautDaniel said:
The US doesn't have the troops to spare.

Seriously, if people were debating the ability of the US to take on Iran, then there is no way the US can take on Russia without pulling everything out of Iraq.

They could start a draft.

ArnautDaniel · Aug 8, 2008

joebudda said:
Or by starting a draft.

It takes months to train drafted soldiers. And, moreover, given the equipment problems that have appeared in Iraq (like being unable to fully equip the Army and National Guard units simultaneously) there likely isn't enough stuff lying around for drafted soldiers to use.

Besides, the only way to get a draft would be to elect Obama president.

He's the only person who could convince the people that would be up in arms about a draft that it is in the nation's best interest.

So no draft until the end of January at the soonest.

joebudda · Aug 8, 2008

ArnautDaniel said:
It takes months to train drafted soldiers.

Besides, the only way to get a draft would be to elect Obama president.

He's the only person who could convince the people that would be up in arms about a draft that it is in the nation's best interest.

So no draft until the end of January at the soonest.

I don't know. Bush is unpredictable and congress doesn't have much say anymore, as if they would protest anyway.

And I believe Obama to be just another puppet of military industrial complex. So this "change" he preaches to his followers, I believe is nothing more then then lip service.

ArnautDaniel · Aug 8, 2008

joebudda said:
I don't know. Bush is unpredictable and congress doesn't have much say anymore, as if they would protest anyway.

And I believe Obama to be just another puppet of military industrial complex. So this "change" he preaches to his followers, I believe is nothing more then then lip service.

The point is that the people that support Obama are the ones likely to get all up in arms about a draft.

Now if Obama used his rhetorical talent to explain to all his supporters why a draft was a good idea...well...

You might well get a draft with minimal social upheaval.

One of Bush's biggest problems has been his utter inability at public speaking. He has no ability to persuade people to this or that.

joebudda · Aug 8, 2008

ArnautDaniel said:
The point is that the people that support Obama are the ones likely to get all up in arms about a draft.

Now if Obama used his rhetorical talent to explain to all his supporters why a draft was a good idea...well...

You might well get a draft with minimal social upheaval.

All of the effort they have put into militarizing the police lately, I think they have prepared for "social upheaval".

ArnautDaniel · Aug 8, 2008

joebudda said:
All of the effort they have put into militarizing the police lately, I think they have prepared for "social upheaval".

It is always better to try and not use your militarized police unnecessarily.

And I hardly see the elite as really needing to spend all this money on Georgia.

joebudda · Aug 8, 2008

ArnautDaniel said:
It is always better to try and not use your militarized police unnecessarily.

And I hardly see the elite as really needing to spend all this money on Georgia.

I would think that "social upheaval" would be reason to use the police in attempts to maintain control.

And when have they cared about spending money? And why would they when they create it out of thin air?

ArnautDaniel · Aug 8, 2008

joebudda said:
I would think that "social upheaval" would be reason to use the police in attempts to maintain control.

And when have they cared about spending money? And why would they when they create it out of thin air?

Everyone knows money is finite, and there are bigger and better fish to fry than Georgia.

If you can avoid social upheaval and the requisite use of police you do so.

The police are there when the action is unavoidable and the upheaval is inevitable.

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