“Time, Times and a Half Time” is Not 3 1/2 Years

[ewq1938]

The term Christ implies "the" messiah. "the" messiah in biblical context is a promised great King of Israel descended from David.

We're talking about the AC not Christ. The AC doesn't have to "become" the AC, he simply is the AC and that is only one of many names the bible uses for him.

The AntiChrist will the another that Jesus said the Jews would accept instead of himself.

43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

Further proves they will accept the AC rather than flee from him as you earlier said.

 

[keras]

I don't see any scripture proving he has to "become" the AC, becomes king of Israel, or is a Jew.

Neither do I.
Some people simply can't see the many Prophecies that tell us about the forthcoming Judgement/ Punishment of the Jewish State of Israel.
They will not have a 'false' king, or have any part to play in the end times.

It is the leader of the One World Govt, to be established soon after the Lord's Day of fiery wrath, the Sixth Seal disaster, who will make a peace treaty with the new people in all of the holy land. Daniel 9:27
The nation of Beulah, Isaiah 62:1-5

 

[Douggg]

We're talking about the AC not Christ. The AC doesn't have to "become" the AC, he simply is the AC and that is only one of many names the bible uses for him.

I will use an example. Did Barak Obama become the President of the United States? Is one of Barak Obama's names President?
Or Senator? When Barak Obama was President of the United States, did people address him as Senator Obama? Why not?

Because President and Senator are two completely different functional roles.

The little horn leader of the fourth kingdom is not a functional role of being the Antichrist.

Being the beast is not a functional role of being the Antichrist.

The functional role of being the Antichrist is being the King of Israel coming in his own name.

 

[ewq1938]

I will use an example. Did Barak Obama become the President of the United States? Is one of Barak Obama's names President?
Or Senator? When Barak Obama was President of the United States, did people address him as Senator Obama? Why not?

And mine: Did Jesus "become Jesus" or was he always Jesus?

Being the beast is not a functional role of being the Antichrist.

Of course it is.

The functional role of being the Antichrist is being the King of Israel coming in his own name.

Based on what scripture? All I see is him being the king or ruler of the entire world not just Israel.

 

[keras]

Based on what scripture? All I see is him being the king or ruler of the entire world not just Israel.

I have shown Douggg the proof of how a charismatic man will rule the world. Daniel 7:23, Revelation 16:5-8
The exception will be the new nation in all of the holy Land, until he conquers then too, at the half way point of his 7 year peace treaty with them. Daniel 11:31, 2 Thessalonians 2:4

 

[Douggg]

And mine: Did Jesus "become Jesus" or was he always Jesus?

Jesus is His name.

Antichrist is not a name. It is a functional role.

The Jews rejected Jesus as their King of Israel. Pilate had a sign put on the cross, Jesus of Nazareth King of the Jews.

And the religious leaders mocked him, calling Jesus, Christ the King of Israel, Mark 15:32

Based on what scripture? All I see is him being the king or ruler of the entire world not just Israel.

I gave you the scriptures of what the concept of being "the" messiah, "the" Christ is.

John 4:25 The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.

John 12:12-15
12 On the next day much people that were come to the feast, when they heard that Jesus was coming to Jerusalem,

13 Took branches of palm trees, and went forth to meet him, and cried, Hosanna: Blessed is the King of Israel that cometh in the name of the Lord.

14 And Jesus, when he had found a young ass, sat thereon; as it is written,

15 Fear not, daughter of Sion: behold, thy King cometh, sitting on an ass's colt.

In Revelation 6, the rider on the white horse is given a crown. That crown will be as the King of Israel.

I would suggest that you go to some Jewish (Judaism) site and ask them regarding "the" messiah - will he be anointed the King of Israel?

 

[Douggg]

Further proves they will accept the AC rather than flee from him as you earlier said.

They flee from the person after he becomes the beast and the image of the beast placed on the temple mount.

 

[ewq1938]

Jesus is His name.

Doesn't affect the point made. Did the Messiah become the Messiah or was he always the Messiah? Did the Lamb of God become the Lamb of God or was he always the Lamb of God?

Antichrist is not a name. It is a functional role.

It's both.

The Jews rejected Jesus as their King of Israel. Pilate had a sign put on the cross, Jesus of Nazareth King of the Jews.

Unrelated to the AC.

I would suggest that you go to some Jewish (Judaism) site and ask them regarding "the" messiah - will he be anointed the King of Israel?

They don't know the Messiah or the truth so going to them wouldn't be any different than going to Muslims or Buddhists.

 

[ewq1938]

They flee from the person after he becomes the beast and the image of the beast placed on the temple mount.

Scripture describes the beast as a beast from the first appearance. There is no transformation from non-beast to beast.

 

[Douggg]

Unrelated to the AC.

The term Antichrist is a combination word made up of the prefix "Anti" and the base word "christ"

If a person doesn't understand the biblical concept of "the christ" being the promised great King of Israel descended from David - then they are not going to understand the concept of the Antichrist.

They don't know the Messiah or the truth so going to them wouldn't be any different than going to Muslims or Buddhists.

The muslims and buddhists are not looking for the Jewish messiah. I don't know where you even get such an idea.

The anticipation of "the" messiah is a biblical based expectation that the disciples and the Jews of Jesus's time had in their day and Jews currently have today of the messiah being anointed the King of Israel.

 

[Douggg]

Scripture describes the beast as a beast from the first appearance. There is no transformation from non-beast to beast.

Yes there is.

The beast in Revelation 13, the individual person, represented by the mortally wounded and comeback to life head has a previous background as king 7 of the 7 kings in Revelation 17:10.

10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.


1. Julius Caesar
2. Augustus Caesar
3. Tiberius
4. Caligula
5. Claudius
6. Nero

7. end times little horn person. after being killed and come back to life, continues the short space of 42 months, as king 8 - the beast.

8. the beast.

little horn person - king 7, of the Roman Empire Julio Claudians
prince who shall come - perceived by the Jews to be the messiah
the Antichrist - king of Israel coming his own name, a Jew
revealed man of sin - killed and brought back to life, transformed as the beast
beast - king 8, of the Roman Empire Julio Claudians.

The person will be a Jew and also in his family tree be descended from the Julio Claudians.

 

[ewq1938]

The term Antichrist is a combination word made up of the prefix "Anti" and the base word "christ"

If a person doesn't understand the biblical concept of "the christ" being the promise great King of Israel descended from David - then they are not going to understand the concept of the Antichrist.

And where in the bible does it say the AC will be made king of Israel?

The muslims and buddhists are not looking for the Jewish messiah. I don't know where you even get such an idea.

I never said they were. I was merely making a point.

 

[ewq1938]

after being killed and come back to life

Nowhere does scripture say the AC is killed and then has a resurrection. Plus, the first beast is a ten kingdom empire positioned on 7 mountains. That isn't a person.

little horn person - king 7, of the Roman Empire Julio Claudians

The little horn hasn't appeared yet. It wasn't Julio Claudians.

the Antichrist - king of Israel coming his own name, a Jew

No scripture says the AC will be elected King of Israel nor that he is a Jew.

revealed man of sin - killed and brought back to life, transformed as the beast

Not killed, not brought back to life and no transformation.

The person will be a Jew and also in his family tree be descended from the Julio Claudians.

That doesn't come from the bible.

 

[keras]

Nowhere does scripture say the AC is killed and then has a resurrection.

The 'beast' is an anti-Christ, is he not?
Revelation 13:3 describes his death and return to life as Satan takes over his body.

The little horn hasn't appeared yet. It wasn't Julio Claudians.

The end times haven't started yet, so he will appear at his appointed time.
Douggg may be right about his lineage. We will wait and see on that one.

No scripture says the AC will be elected King of Israel nor that he is a Jew.

Right. The last King of Israel, Judah; was Jesus.
People fail to see how Judah, the Jewish State of Israel, will be gone on the Lord's Day of fiery wrath. The new Christian nation in the holy Land will elect a leader. Hosea 1:11, Jeremiah 30:21

 

[ewq1938]

The 'beast' is an anti-Christ, is he not?
Revelation 13:3 describes his death and return to life as Satan takes over his body.

There is no death. It would have caused a death but the wound was healed. This also does not happen to the AC.

The end times haven't started yet, so he will appear at his appointed time.

Actually the end times started long ago:

1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

Right. The last King of Israel, Judah; was Jesus.
People fail to see how Judah, the Jewish State of Israel, will be gone on the Lord's Day of fiery wrath. The new Christian nation in the holy Land will elect a leader. Hosea 1:11, Jeremiah 30:21

They won't be gone. Any non-Christians will be here when he returns except it's vials of wrath and a symbolic sword that will be used not fire.

 

[keras]

There is no death. It would have caused a death but the wound was healed. This also does not happen to the AC.

It was a death wound.
Rev 13:4...the dragon [Satan] conferred his authority on the 'beast'.
Who was this person, if not the Anti-Christ, as described by Paul in 2 Thess 2:3-4?

Actually the end times started long ago:

The 2000 year gap between Jesus; first and second Advents, was not revealed to John yet. And there have been many Anti-Christs in history.

They won't be gone. Any non-Christians will be here when he returns except it's vials of wrath and a symbolic sword that will be used not fire.

Illegible and incorrect.
Over 20 clearly stated prophesies tell of the virtual demise of Jewish Israel.
Jesus will use a symbolic Sword to destroy the attacking armies at Armageddon. But at least 7 years before He Returns, He will send fire to wipe out all the ungodly peoples in the holy Land. Incl the Jews.
Amos 1 and Amos 2:1-5, Psalms 11:4-6, 2 Peter 3:7

 

[ewq1938]

It was a death wound.

If no healing happened but the wound healed and no death occurred.

Rev_13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

No death happened. One head was wounded yet lived and that was possible due to the healing mentioned in other verses. People are shot everyday and those wounds are deadly wounds IF no medical care is given. Surgery, antibiotics etc make deadly wounds to not end in death.

Rev 13:4...the dragon [Satan] conferred his authority on the 'beast'.
Who was this person, if not the Anti-Christ, as described by Paul in 2 Thess 2:3-4?

The first beast is the global empire the AC will rule over. The False prophet is the AC and he is the ruler over the empire beast. Paul also spoke of this same person:

Paul's man of sin is Revelation's false prophet:

Revelation 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received
the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Here we read of the second beast, who performs miracles in the sight of the first beast and performing those miracles in order to deceive the people!

Paul's Antichrist was called the man of sin and he is described as doing the same things for the same reason as the false prophet:

2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
2Th 2:5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
2Th 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
2Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders

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Thayer Definition:
1) a prodigy, portent
2) miracle: performed by any one
Part of Speech: noun neuter
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: of uncertain affinity
Citing in TDNT: 8:113, 1170



Lying wonders is the same as deceiving miracles.

The false prophet and the man of sin are the same person, the Antichrist.





Rev 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

These horns are little horns of a young lamb which is a direct reference to the little horn Daniel wrote of who is also the one we know as the Antichrist.

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Diminutive from G704; a lambkin: - lamb.
Total KJV occurrences: 30


The little horn of Daniel is commonly believed to be the AC John wrote about and in Revelation there is a person with two little horns who appears after the ten horned beast just as the little horn in Daniel appears after the ten horned beast. Clearly the same person is in mind here.


Daniel - ten horned beast arises, little horn comes next and is the person of authority and power over the ten horned beast. Little horn is the antichrist.

Revelation - ten horned beast arises, false prophet comes next and is the person of authority and power over the ten horned beast. False prophet is the antichrist.

 

[Mike_Tang1991]

Neither do I.
Some people simply can't see the many Prophecies that tell us about the forthcoming Judgement/ Punishment of the Jewish State of Israel.
They will not have a 'false' king, or have any part to play in the end times.

It is the leader of the One World Govt, to be established soon after the Lord's Day of fiery wrath, the Sixth Seal disaster, who will make a peace treaty with the new people in all of the holy land. Daniel 9:27
The nation of Beulah, Isaiah 62:1-5

I know who the antichrist is. The United Nations will make him the "king of the world" (New World Order) and he will enslave, torture and kill all humans

 

[Douggg]

And where in the bible does it say the AC will be made king of Israel?

Your question has a built in common error. You are referring to the person as the Antichrist as a blanket term... which is an error.

Your question, as phrased, is like saying where does it say in the constitution that President Barak Obama will be made President of the United States.

It is built into the term Antichrist that the person becomes the King of Israel, instead of and against the true King of Israel Jesus who came in the name of the Lord.

 

[Douggg]

Nowhere does scripture say the AC is killed and then has a resurrection. Plus, the first beast is a ten kingdom empire positioned on 7 mountains. That isn't a person.

Instead of saying AC, you should be saying "the person". The bible passages pertaining to the person's death (Ezekiel 28:1-10) and brought back to life (Isaiah 14:16-20) is after he claims to have achieved God-hood.

The beast "person" in Revelation 13:3 (in my first pictorial) is one of the seven heads on the beast "kingdom" in Revelation 13:1-2 (in my second pictorial).

That "person" is referred to as the beast in the remainder of Revelation.

Revelation 13:3 on my pictorial below.

Revelation 13:1-2 on my pictorial below.