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In threads where saying Jesus walked on water is considered 'being wrong,' if everyone took your advice, no one would post here except whited ... er ... white coats.My question is why do you even bother to post here since you are wrong in almost every single post of yours and you can't ever seem to learn?
No ... I'm trying to get you to see that you are putting the cart before the horse.Are you trying to tell us that you don't know the answer to that question?
Masochism must run high in the peer review process then, eh?That could well be something all creationists suffer from, masochism, why else would they love to be knocked back all the time.
How about first things first then?
Does God exist, or doesn't He?
Billions of Jews, Christians, and Muslims say YES, and have evidence.
Settling which one is right is not a matter for atheists.
If someone told me not to go into a forest because there was a dragon in there; and someone else said it wasn't a dragon, but a Sasquatch, I'm not going to play the atheist card and assume there is nothing in there to be afraid of.
In threads where saying Jesus walked on water is considered 'being wrong,' if everyone took your advice, no one would post here except whited ... er ... white coats.
Look out the window.Then I would like to see this evidence.
I'll admit I don't think like an atheist, but it seems to me they aren't qualified to determine what is "false things" and "bad reasons," when it comes to God's existence.The Cadet said:Look, the fact of the matter is that a billion people can easily believe in false things for bad reasons.
Presupposition?The Cadet said:You want to know how I know this?
Ooooo we.The Cadet said:Because the God of the Christians and the God of the Muslims are not the same entity.
So?The Cadet said:Christians, Jews, and Muslims (and for that matter Hindus, Buddhists, Deists, and Zoroastrians) propose radically different Gods and Doctrines.
Then how about I deny how we got our moon until scientists unanimously agree as to how we got our moon?The Cadet said:Each must be evaluated on their own merits - it is not simply enough to show that a God must exist, you must show that this particular god exists, and that the proposed doctrines are what that God wants.
I see.Silly beliefs that you have no reasonable evidence for a not considered "being wrong", it is merely a foolish belief on your part.
Not you your beliefs, it's exactly the same problem we have with Muslims when they tell us that Mohammad flew to heaven on a winged horse.I could be wrong, but it sounds like you have a personal problem with me.
Just as we can know gravity exists by observing its effects; you should realize that we can know God exists by observing His effects ... which are everywhere.
Look out your window.
But to an atheist???
Basic doctrine poses problems for everyone else except its user.Not you your beliefs, it's exactly the same problem we have with Muslims when they tell us that Mohammad flew to heaven on a winged horse.
God is invisible ... just like gravity.I've been looking out my window for a good three minutes now and I don't see a god.
AV1611VET you are a believer because you want to be a believer and not because it's true, you don't care if it's true or not just as long as you can make yourself believe it, everything except your belief can take a hike.So you differentiate between "silly beliefs" and "being wrong" in order to tell me I'm wrong in almost everything I say, despite the fact that I'm a strong expositor of basic doctrine.
God is invisible ... just like gravity.
Actually, the deity Jews, Muslims, and Christians worship is essentially the same, with the only major difference being that many denominations of Christians view Jesus as god in human form, while Jews and Muslims do not. They even use the same texts, give or take some depending on which religion you are talking about. That's why Muslims read the bible as well as the Koran. Same deity, different interpretations.Then I would like to see this evidence.
Look, the fact of the matter is that a billion people can easily believe in false things for bad reasons. You want to know how I know this? Because the God of the Christians and the God of the Muslims are not the same entity. One of those two religions must necessarily be completely wrong about the nature of God and what God wants. The adherents to one of those two religions has bad reasons for believing what they believe, and are wrong in their beliefs. And don't even get me started on the billion-plus Hindus, whose beliefs about God are, according to you, super turbo wrong. Do they all have "evidence"?
Well, Otto Rank, I submit further observation is necessary.AV1611VET you are a believer because you want to be a believer and not because it's true, you don't care if it's true or not just as long as you can make yourself believe it, everything except your belief can take a hike.
No, it's not.But gravity is directly observable.
I would say YES, since I believe the Norse gods were real in the first place.
QV Genesis 6
That's okay.I'm sorry, I must have missed the verse talking about Thor and Woden.
Just how many days of the week are there!?florida2 said:Why the Norse gods and not the gods of any of the thousands of other cultures around the world?
Basic doctrine poses problems for everyone else except its user.
I don't view Christians or any other religious people as inherently problematic. Just those that would harm myself and others for not believing, which isn't even a conscious choice (especially on my part, since I actively seek belief).You're supposed to see us as "problematic."
I always find it funny when people complain about not seeming unique enough in a world that deems those that are too far from the norm disordered. Being different is not inherently good, nor is being similar or the same inherently bad. Being different isn't even necessarily more interesting even. I kid you not, there is a disorder in which the people that have it have pretty much no emotional investment in anything and basically have the personality of furniture, which is to say, so bland that they have no distinguishable personality.I have a pastor who would throw the podium at us if he could; and believe me, one of the things he snorts and yells is:
WHY AREN'T WE STANDING OUT AS "DIFFERENT" IN A CROWD!!!
The world has no uniformity on clothing... not even on having it be a requirement. This also implies that your pastor has some sort of problem with the clothing being worn in church, and yet I am sure his clothes are either very traditional, or likely very conservative (not that those are mutually exclusive, by any means). Although, I did get a funny image of a bunch of people walking into a church wearing the various outfits of Lady Gaga, and I have to admit, that would be very interesting.WHY DO WE HAVE TO DRESS AND ACT LIKE THE WORLD!!!???
I don't know your pastor personally, but I find it likely that he would gladly run such a megachurch if given the opportunity.WHY DO YOU THINK THESE MEGACHURCHES ARE SO POPULAR!!!???
That's okay.
I flunked fill-in-the-blanks myself.
Genesis 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
None of those "men of renown" had names, did they?
Just how many days of the week are there!?
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