‘Go to Berkeley’: Ron DeSantis said students seeking ‘woke’ classes should study elsewhere

[Ana the Ist]

‘Go to Berkeley’: Ron DeSantis said students seeking ‘woke’ classes should study elsewhere

'We want to focus on the classical mission of what a university is supposed to be.'

floridapolitics.com

https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/15/politics/desantis-signs-dei-defunding-bill/index.html

“If you want to do things like gender ideology, go to (the University of California) Berkeley,” DeSantis added. “There’s nothing wrong with that, per se, but for us with our tax dollars, we want to focus on the classical mission of what a university is supposed to be.”

“What this does is reorient our universities back to their traditional mission and part of that traditional mission is to treat people as individuals, not to try to divvy them up based on any type of superficial characteristics,” DeSantis said.

The law also demands that general education courses “may not distort significant historical events or include a curriculum that teaches identity politics”


Some media outlets are framing this in a negative way, but I actually don't have a problem with this one. I say let the various states set their policies on taxpayer funding at universities, and we can all see the results in 4-8 years and judge for ourselves which ones are producing the most productive members of society.

Rather than the red states and the blue states all trying to "export their values" and foist them upon the other states, I think it'd be a good social experiment to leave them all to their own devices in terms of education policies, and see which one produces the best results and best members of society.

My hunch on this is that the "winning combination" on this would be a combination of some right leaning values and some left leaning ones (like I do on most things as something of a "radical centrist" defined by the JFK quote of "idealism without illusions"), but I'd be happy to see it play out in a real-world application.

Yeah I don't see why people have a problem with this as we now seem to be done with the idea of a universal basic education without the injection of politically preferable moral positions.

Let each state do as it believes best and woe to whomever is wrong.

It's really only a problem for textbook publishers.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Well, in that sense, red states are already absymally behind and perhaps shouldn't be in a position to cast aspersions.

Also, I'm not exactly sure that's fair since Blue states have MOST of the top rates unis in the US right?

I believe this is true....for now. Grumblings from the corporate world however indicate they no longer value some colleges or certain degrees anymore.

So they'd have the options of still training those folks in the "leftists" whatever and ALSO still be successful "right leanings outcomes" too.

Huh?

Seriously. NONE of this is about "productive members of society". This is just about trying to limit identity politics....THAT THEY DON'T like.

The right still embraces universalism as far as I can tell...not identity politics.

 

[Ana the Ist]

This is an incorrect definition of equity.
It is access to the same opportunities.

Sure sure...how are you measuring "access to the same opportunities"?

Would it be according to outcomes?

 

[Ana the Ist]

As a matter of principle, the government has no place for determining what constitutes a distortion of history.

Or what constitutes disinformation...especially this administration.

 

[Ana the Ist]

I still wonder if this kind of thing is going to make a dent. That's a significant monetary loss for Florida, and it could get worse.

Disney canceled plans for a billion-dollar project in Florida following feud with governor Ron DeSantis

Disney announced it was abandoning plans to to build a $1 billion office complex near Disney World in Florida on Thursday (May 18), after months of building tension between the company and the state’s governor Ron DeSantis.

finance.yahoo.com

It could be that they're not building because of Desantis....

Alternative theory to consider though....

Financial Analyst Speculates The Walt Disney Company Has Lost Nearly $900 Million At The Box Office In The Past Year

Financial and box office analyst Valliant Renegade recently shared his speculation and calculations that The Walt Disney Company has lost nearly $900 million at the box office in the past year.

boundingintocomics.com

Disney Tried to Save Money by Purging Streaming Titles, Loses $1.5 Billion Instead

Disney is now facing a staggering $1.5 billion charge for removing streaming titles.

insidethemagic.net

Perhaps no one is buying those dreams they're selling.

 

[public hermit]

It could be that they're not building because of Desantis....

Alternative theory to consider though....

Financial Analyst Speculates The Walt Disney Company Has Lost Nearly $900 Million At The Box Office In The Past Year

Financial and box office analyst Valliant Renegade recently shared his speculation and calculations that The Walt Disney Company has lost nearly $900 million at the box office in the past year.

boundingintocomics.com

Disney Tried to Save Money by Purging Streaming Titles, Loses $1.5 Billion Instead

Disney is now facing a staggering $1.5 billion charge for removing streaming titles.

insidethemagic.net

Perhaps no one is buying those dreams they're selling.

Yeah, that's an insane amount of money to lose, but they'll make it back. It's mind boggling the amount of money Disney generates. I'm not buying their dreams. I was down there a couple years back visiting family, and they took us there. I was over it in the first hour or so. After every ride you walk through a store selling all the related nonsense. Everything has a store at the end.

 

[Pommer]

Yeah, that's an insane amount of money to lose, but they'll make it back. It's mind boggling the amount of money Disney generates. I'm not buying their dreams. I was down there a couple years back visiting family, and they took us there. I was over it in the first hour or so. After every ride you walk through a store selling all the related nonsense. Everything has a store at the end.

“Capitalism is fun! Buy something!”

 

[essentialsaltes]

New College of Florida tosses hundreds of library books in the dumpster, empties gender diversity library​

A dumpster in the parking lot of Jane Bancroft Cook Library on the campus of New College overflowed with books and collections from the now-defunct Gender and Diversity Center on Tuesday afternoon. Video captured in the afternoon showed a vehicle driving away with the books before students were notified. In the past, students were given an opportunity to purchase books that were leaving the college's library collection.

"A library needs to regularly review and renew its collection to ensure its materials are meeting the current needs of students and faculty," [college spox] March wrote. "The images seen online of a dumpster of library materials is related to the standard weeding process."

Pay no attention to the dumpster full of books! Situation normal!

 

[keith99]

New College of Florida tosses hundreds of library books in the dumpster, empties gender diversity library​

A dumpster in the parking lot of Jane Bancroft Cook Library on the campus of New College overflowed with books and collections from the now-defunct Gender and Diversity Center on Tuesday afternoon. Video captured in the afternoon showed a vehicle driving away with the books before students were notified. In the past, students were given an opportunity to purchase books that were leaving the college's library collection.

"A library needs to regularly review and renew its collection to ensure its materials are meeting the current needs of students and faculty," [college spox] March wrote. "The images seen online of a dumpster of library materials is related to the standard weeding process."

Pay no attention to the dumpster full of books! Situation normal!

One wonders if a copy of Fahrenheit 451 was in the dumpster.

 

[Ana the Ist]

New College of Florida tosses hundreds of library books in the dumpster, empties gender diversity library​

A dumpster in the parking lot of Jane Bancroft Cook Library on the campus of New College overflowed with books and collections from the now-defunct Gender and Diversity Center on Tuesday afternoon. Video captured in the afternoon showed a vehicle driving away with the books before students were notified. In the past, students were given an opportunity to purchase books that were leaving the college's library collection.

"A library needs to regularly review and renew its collection to ensure its materials are meeting the current needs of students and faculty," [college spox] March wrote. "The images seen online of a dumpster of library materials is related to the standard weeding process."

Pay no attention to the dumpster full of books! Situation normal!

Good.

There's nothing of use in those books anyway. Full of nonsense even their advocates cannot explain.

15 years ago if someone in real life had told you they were nonbinary and you had to use the pronouns they/them you'd think they had gone insane....and acted appropriately. If that person wasn't insane, they would understand they should stop saying nonsense things.

Now people are telling each other they must indulge this garbage....based on no fact or evidence, but rather politeness. As soon as ground was given to the loons...they've taken more and more by the day.

This is why content moderation shouldn't be a thing. If you say something ridiculously stupid....mockery, ridicule, and dismissal should be the result. It prevents stupid from spreading. Now we have these thought bubbles where dumb must be treated respectfully....and people don't seem to be able to tell who has facts behind their ideas and who simply makes up nonsense....are easily led into all sorts of destructive and ignorant beliefs for moral or political reasons.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

"A library needs to regularly review and renew its collection to ensure its materials are meeting the current needs of students and faculty," [college spox] March wrote. "The images seen online of a dumpster of library materials is related to the standard weeding process."

Well, at risk of coming across as somewhat snide...

Per the article:
Many of the books were on LGBTQ+ topics and religious studies.

Have the opinions on subject matter not changed enough to warrant new reading material?


The rules around gender & pronouns have changed no less than 5 times in the last ten years.


I mean...c'mon...all those bigoted books about how "you should use a person's preferred pronouns" from 2018 are terribly offensive, because the word "preferred" implies that it's a choice, when we all now know (thanks to experts like the 22 year old person who identifies as a demi-sexual neurodivergent two-spirit pansexual, with a blue & pink mullet and #RespectMyPronouns blog that changed their name to Ravenwind), that Ze/Zir is who they are, it's not a choice.... until, that is, you actually agree to call them Zi/Zer, at which point, they'll come up with a new one, and claim that your usage Ze/Zir is a patriarchal assault on their existence for reasons.


They should really get those outdated books out of there...the public has become too desensitized to the current books and they're losing their shock value. In order to sufficiently agitate the boomers, they really need to be stocking more up-to-date educational material like "My first genital piercing" and illustrated works delving into Billy's discovery that Ze has an armpit fetish.

 

[essentialsaltes]

New College of Florida tosses hundreds of library books in the dumpster, empties gender diversity library​

"A library needs to regularly review and renew its collection to ensure its materials are meeting the current needs of students and faculty," [college spox] March wrote. "The images seen online of a dumpster of library materials is related to the standard weeding process."

That statement is no longer operative.

New College moves to fire top librarian over book disposals​

Some 13,000 books were suddenly discarded under the watch of the dean of the college’s library.

In a letter dated Aug. 16, the university’s general counsel sent Shannon Hausinger a letter saying a preliminary decision to fire her was made after they deemed her responsible for the improper disposal of 13,000 books.

 

[essentialsaltes]

New College of Florida tosses hundreds of library books in the dumpster, empties gender diversity library​

Russell Brand to speak about free speech at Florida college after U.K. rape charges​

New College of Florida will host actor, comedian and right-wing wellness influencer Russell Brand on Saturday, days after he was charged with rape and sexual assault in the United Kingdom.

Brand was charged with two counts of rape, two counts of sexual assault and one count of indecent assault, North London Chief Crown Prosecutor Jaswant Narwal said Friday.

 

[rambot]

Russel Brand is a quick talker. Once upon a time a LOT of people thought he was very smart. Slowly but surely folks changed their minds...and then there were rumours of his poor treatment of women.

I'm truly curious what the logic was on "converting to Christianity" JUST before the stories of misogyny became mainstream

 

[essentialsaltes]

Russell Brand to speak about free speech at Florida college after U.K. rape charges​

New College of Florida will host actor, comedian and right-wing wellness influencer Russell Brand on Saturday, days after he was charged with rape and sexual assault in the United Kingdom.

Brand was charged with two counts of rape, two counts of sexual assault and one count of indecent assault, North London Chief Crown Prosecutor Jaswant Narwal said Friday.

New College of Florida backtracks, stifles free speech, indefinitely postpones Russell Brand speaking appearance​

 

[Aryeh Jay]

New College of Florida backtracks, stifles free speech, indefinitely postpones Russell Brand speaking appearance​

Someone got canceled.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Someone got canceled.

Someone else probably should, too, but he's got connections.

New College Comms Director, former DeSantis official, arrested for exposing sexual organs​

The incident marks one of four arrests for indecent exposure in Sarasota and Manatee Counties related to 47-year-old Frederick Piccolo Jr.

Looks like maybe, just maybe, the fourth time is the charm.

Piccolo is no longer listed on NCF’s directory page as his page was recently removed. An NCF media spokesperson could not be reached to clarify Piccolo’s employment status.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Fired New College official had history of indecent exposure charges​

When New College of Florida hired him in December, he was facing three pending cases for “exposure of sexual organs.” Two years before that, he was sued for allegedly sending lewd messages to a state lawmaker. That suit was dropped but still covered in the press.

However, none of the cases showed up in a background check requested by the school, nor did Piccolo voluntarily disclose them, according to documents obtained by the Times.

Charges that don’t result in an arrest [he was given a court summons] do not show up on a Florida Department of Law Enforcement background check, according to the agency’s website, which may explain why Piccolo’s prior cases went unrecorded.

 

[RileyG]

Fired New College official had history of indecent exposure charges​

When New College of Florida hired him in December, he was facing three pending cases for “exposure of sexual organs.” Two years before that, he was sued for allegedly sending lewd messages to a state lawmaker. That suit was dropped but still covered in the press.

However, none of the cases showed up in a background check requested by the school, nor did Piccolo voluntarily disclose them, according to documents obtained by the Times.

Charges that don’t result in an arrest [he was given a court summons] do not show up on a Florida Department of Law Enforcement background check, according to the agency’s website, which may explain why Piccolo’s prior cases went unrecorded.

Awful