I believe we can agree on that!Originally posted by filosofer
God by his grace creates faith (Eph. 2:4-5, etc.) - this is entirely God's work (Eph. 2:8-9). The result of saving faith is to live out that new life (Gal. 2:20; Eph. 2:10).
That isn't quite a correct statement of the Catholic understanging of grace. If I might try to explain?However, the (official) RCC poistion is that God gives grace to people so they can do enough to earn God's favor.
We must consider that "a bad tree can not good fruit nor a good tree bear bad fruit." But we know that a person, though they are corrupt, may occasional do that which is objectively good, even though the rest of the time they may be in a state of mortal sin, which is to say: deprived of charity in their heart. So the question is: why the evil appear to do good though Jesus declares this impossible?
Is the evil person to say to themselves: I have done some small thing good, therefore I'm a good tree, and therefore I must be saved? Perhaps they will but that would not be correct.
The answer is that in truth, it is God acting through them which causes them to do some good, and that the person, while not good themselves, is accepting of their own free will this grace to act in a good way. Just because they have accepted this grace, without which it would be impossible for them to do anything good, doesn't make them saved.
Now since we know that a good tree does not bear bad fruit, we must consider how the transformation takes place. It is the Catholic understanding that as a person who is bad accepts more and more the grace from God which enables them to do some good act, there must reach a point where they no longer desire not to cooperate with this grace, and therefore leave from all mortal sin. This is the state of sanctifying grace.
So it's not that a person needs to do anything to earn God's favor. That fact of the matter is that people do indeed do things, and what they do can be contrary to God's will. It is Catholic teaching that a soul which willfully turns away from God, i.e, lives in mortal sin, and persists in such a state until the end will descend into hell.
If a soul reaches a state of sanctifying grace, then he is sanctified. "He who believes in Christ becomes a son of God. This filial adoption transforms him by giving him the ability to follow the example of Christ. It makes him capable of acting rightly and doing good. In union with his Savior, the disciple attains the perfection of charity which is holiness. Having matured in grace, the moral life blossoms into eternal life in the glory of heaven."That is why RCC teaching never assures the person of salvation
Again, we would seem to agree. Crucifying the old person so that Christ might live through the new is simply another metaphor. A person who has Christ living through them does not produce bad fruit.Biblically the issue is settled on Christ's righteousness. But as Paul notes in Galatians 2:20, this is a crucifying of the old person (and living in Christ); so also 2 Cor. 5:17.
But once the new self is put on, Christ Jesus does save, if you will go on to read Romans 8. "For if you live according to the flesh, you will die, but if by the spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. For those who are led by the Spirit of God are children of God." And we know that the children of God do not sin.But as Paul notes in Romans 7, there is a constant battle going on - the old "sinful, self-righteous (in the technical sense) person" and the new person created in Christ Jesus. Ultimately Paul exclaims, "Who can save me from this body of death? Christ Jesus" (Rom. 7).
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