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I don't know - I share Grizz's fear at the prayer pile. Actually, mine almost surely outstrips his.

For some reason, when men get together for the purpose of 'being men' and talking about being men, annoying things happen. Or at least that's how I see it. At the least, it's not for everyone.

eldermike said:

That's funny. I have only missed a couple of years since PK began. I would highly recommend that men attend a PK event, even at the risk of getting caught up in a "prayer dog pile". I always buy some of the video from selected speakers. I am always amazed at the quality of the speakers and the content of messages at PK events. Men should go to at least one of these.

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AMEN.. I echo that.. Promise Keepers is not about putting wives down or making slaves - its actually about how you can better serve your wife while being the Spiritual Lead of your home - its also ablout calling men of Integrity and showing them why they need to be leaders in church and their communities.

I've loved every meeting I went to... the music is inspiring and the speakers are awesome.. Hearing Dr. White and Tony Evans is worth the time and effort to be at a conference... It has never been and should never be about piling on someone and praying them to salvation.. in fact - the conferences I went to - unless you knew a person was un-saved you couldn't tell... BUT - for many it was a changing experience... to me - it is uplifting and recharging the Spirit...

I've met several people who thought the worst about PK - they only heard that PK wanted Men to be leaders and have wives under foot.. but several went to a conference and realized its about bringing husbands and wives closer as well as having fathers be responsible for their families...

Promise Keepers is not about putting wives down or making slaves - its actually about how you can better serve your wife while being the Spiritual Lead of your home

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Uh-huh. It just so happens that the best way to serve your wife is to make sure the wife is kept under the husband in terms of intra-household authority. Per PK ideology, after all, that's her 'natural' position.

Of course, I'd imagine that if the wife married a PK or one who leans in that direction already, she consents to her subordination, but let's call a spade a spade nonetheless.

burrow_owl said:

Uh-huh. It just so happens that the best way to serve your wife is to make sure the wife is kept under the husband in terms of intra-household authority. Per PK ideology, after all, that's her 'natural' position. [/font]

Of course, I'd imagine that if the wife married a PK or one who leans in that direction already, she consents to her subordination, but let's call a spade a spade nonetheless.

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A wife should submit lovingingly and willingly, and that's only going to happen when the husband is worth submitting to, imho. If he's doing it right, his intentions will mirror hers and the two will act as one, basically. If I'm not carrying my share of the responsibilty, if I am not being a worthy husband and father, then I don't deserve submittal

very short: God created man and woman. God created them in His image, with a catch. A man and woman are to cleave to one another (marriage = same skin). So the image God created exists in a loving family. God said: It's not good for man to be alone. In the creation story this is the only "not good", everything else is "good".....following me? Man (created in the image of God) is not good alone.

God said for a man to love His wife as Christ loved the church..(willing to die for her). Not a physical death (we hope) but a death of "self", just like Christ, we die but live. "No greater love hath a man than to lay down his life for another" (his wife).

Submission is the image of God submitting to the athority of God. The best image is the family, man and woman. God loves my wife through me, she loves me to show love for God, this is the spirtual connection to God and his creation, the family, the marriage.

Women should not submit to mans athority, they ahould submit to God and love God by loving a submitted husband. Bingo,,,,submission is not learning to do tricks on command. It's conforming to the image that God created that mirrors the church, that shows the love of God to the world.

Hope this helps
Mike

burrow_owl said:

Uh-huh. It just so happens that the best way to serve your wife is to make sure the wife is kept under the husband in terms of intra-household authority. Per PK ideology, after all, that's her 'natural' position. [/font]

Of course, I'd imagine that if the wife married a PK or one who leans in that direction already, she consents to her subordination, but let's call a spade a spade nonetheless.

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I'm sorry but you are way off base if you think that is the PK ideology.. PK has always pushed for a blend in marriage - though the Husband is ti take a Spiritual leadership role.. The first Promise of PK is to LOVE YOUR WIFE PASSIONATELY..... Everytime I ever hear PK talk about marriage - its the Hudband who should take the lead in making it work - being there - sharing and loving...

Everytime I ever hear PK talk about marriage - its the Hudband who should take the lead in making it work

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And then ultimately gets the say-so on familial decisions, no?

If I'm wrong, then I'm sorely mistaken and apologize.

(I looked on the site, but couldn't find anything).

And then ultimately gets the say-so on familial decisions, no?

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It's not like that. God gets the say-so is how it's supposed to work.

No really - my wife and I get into a disagreement about how to allocate money - what should happen?

A lot of people would say the PKs use the language of scripture to conceal a distinctly patriarchal family structure that precludes any real possibility for co-operation between the spouses. Instead it uses scripture to legitimize a formalized hierarchical system.

Such is the concern. I'm more than willing to be corrected (I got some PK family, you see).

No really - my wife and I get into a disagreement about how to allocate money - what should happen?

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PK has a speaker at every conference to address this issue. Money is a dividing thing. I would search the resources on the PK site, you will find resources on this issue.

Money is a dividing thing. I would search the resources on the PK site, you will find resources on this issue.

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I didn't look really hard, but I didn't seem to see much that was heavy on pragmatics. Hence the asking. I'll take another viddy around, though.

I just looked, they have changed the site, the resources (books) are not there as they used to be. So, my suggestion will not help you.

It's a complex issue, there is no simple answer.