Does Evolution conflict with the Bible?

JohnR7 · Jul 13, 2003

This is a Christian forum. As Christians we believe the Bible is without error and is the word of God. That is what makes us Christian and that is what makes this a Christian forum.

If you say that Evolution conflicts with the Bible. Then you have effective falsified Evolution. But I see a lot of people here, if I agree with them or not, who feel there is no conflict at all between Evolution and the Word of God. They seem to feel that Evolution just covers an area the Bible simply does not discuss or talk about. At least not directly in a plain way. Although the Bible does seem to indicate that life goes from simple to more complex and advanced forms. Man was after all, not created untill the sixth day. Or some people feel that man as we know him was not created until the eighth day.

Philip · Jul 13, 2003

JohnR7 said:
This is a Christian forum. As Christians we believe the Bible is without error and is the word of God. That is what makes us Christian

And I thought it was my love of Christ that made me a Christian.

Arikay · Jul 13, 2003

"As Christians we believe the Bible is without error and is the word of God."

Are you sure? Thats not what I hear from christians.

"That is what makes us Christian and that is what makes this a Christian forum."

Are you sure?
I thought a belief in christ, makes you christian.
More than that, a belief in one of the creeds, like the creed in the rules.
I dont see anything in those creeds about believing the bible is without error.

"If you say that Evolution conflicts with the Bible. Then you have effective falsified Evolution."

Only in your mind, but no one elses.

JohnR7 said:
This is a Christian forum. As Christians we believe the Bible is without error and is the word of God. That is what makes us Christian and that is what makes this a Christian forum.

If you say that Evolution conflicts with the Bible. Then you have effective falsified Evolution. But I see a lot of people here, if I agree with them or not, who feel there is no conflict at all between Evolution and the Word of God. They seem to feel that Evolution just covers an area the Bible simply does not discuss or talk about. At least not directly in a plain way. Although the Bible does seem to indicate that life goes from simple to more complex and advanced forms. Man was after all, not created untill the sixth day. Or some people feel that man as we know him was not created until the eighth day.

JohnR7 · Jul 13, 2003

Philip said:
And I thought it was my love of Christ that made me a Christian.

Jesus is the word of God.

John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

JohnR7 · Jul 13, 2003

Arikay said:
"As Christians we believe the Bible is without error and is the word of God."

Are you sure? Thats not what I hear from christians.

Actually, I was making it sort of easy. The Bible actually makes it a bit more strict than that.

1 John 2:3-4
Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. [4] He who says, "I know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

The Bible contains the commandments of Jesus. If you do not keep His commandments, then you do not belong to Him.

Not to get back on the subject. Do you care to show us where you feel that evolution conflicts with the word of God?

Arikay · Jul 13, 2003

And what do you think those commandments are?

And why have you possibly labeled the majority of christians non christian?

Nathan Poe · Jul 13, 2003

Welcome to JohnR7's World...

JohnR7 said:
This is a Christian forum. As Christians we believe the Bible is without error and is the word of God. That is what makes us Christian and that is what makes this a Christian forum.

Doesn't being a Christian have something to do with a guy named Christ?
Guess not.

If you say that Evolution conflicts with the Bible. Then you have effective falsified Evolution.

John, I do believe you have set a new record for nonsense in a single sentence.

(technically it's two sentence fragments. You need to replace that period with a comma.)

But I see a lot of people here, if I agree with them or not, who feel there is no conflict at all between Evolution and the Word of God.They seem to feel that Evolution just covers an area the Bible simply does not discuss or talk about. At least not directly in a plain way.

The Bible didn't mention it, so people have to figure it out for themselves. Imagine that...

Although the Bible does seem to indicate that life goes from simple to more complex and advanced forms. Man was after all, not created untill the sixth day.

Now, was that a Friday or a Saturday?

Or some people feel that man as we know him was not created until the eighth day.

But what do "some people's" feelings have to do with what did or did not actually happen?

John, what exactly is the point of this thread?

Philip · Jul 13, 2003

JohnR7 said:
Actually, I was making it sort of easy. The Bible actually makes it a bit more strict than that.

1 John 2:3-4
Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. [4] He who says, "I know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

The Bible contains the commandments of Jesus. If you do not keep His commandments, then you do not belong to Him.

What does this have to do with inerrancy?

Not to get back on the subject. Do you care to show us where you feel that evolution conflicts with the word of God?

I don't think it does.

JohnR7 · Jul 13, 2003

Philip said:
I don't think it does.

The theory of evolution would have to conflict with the Bible to some degree, because it keeps changing. At least parts of the theory have already been falsified and shown not to be true. The Bible is the absolute truth of God, it is eternal and it does not change.

Snide · Jul 13, 2003

JohnR7 said:
This is a Christian forum. As Christians we believe the Bible is without error and is the word of God. That is what makes us Christian and that is what makes this a Christian forum.

If you say that Evolution conflicts with the Bible. Then you have effective falsified Evolution. But I see a lot of people here, if I agree with them or not, who feel there is no conflict at all between Evolution and the Word of God. They seem to feel that Evolution just covers an area the Bible simply does not discuss or talk about. At least not directly in a plain way. Although the Bible does seem to indicate that life goes from simple to more complex and advanced forms. Man was after all, not created untill the sixth day. Or some people feel that man as we know him was not created until the eighth day.

Evolution can conflict with your interpretation of the bible. The meaning you got may not have been the meaning the author was trying to express.

JohnR7 · Jul 13, 2003

Nathan Poe said:
John, what exactly is the point of this thread?

The point is, that the Bible is truth. It does not change. The truth of God is eternal. It always has been, it always well be. God is the same, yesterday, today and tomorrow.

The question then becomes: Is evolution true? If evolution is true, then there will be no conflict between the theory of evolution and the Bible.

Arikay · Jul 13, 2003

I think the point of this is to tell us, again, that John will not accept anything that conflicts with his view of the bible, and will ignore anything that does.

Nothing much new.

Philip · Jul 13, 2003

JohnR7 said:
The theory of evolution would have to conflict with the Bible to some degree, because it keeps changing. At least parts of the theory have already been falsified and shown not to be true. The Bible is the absolute truth of God, it is eternal and it does not change.

Our understanding of many aspects of the natural world are constantly changing. Take quantum physics, for example. This branch of science is only 100 years old and is constantly changing. Should we throw it out too? For that matter, our knowledge of mathematics is constantly changing. Does it need to go too?

Philip · Jul 13, 2003

JohnR7 said:
The question then becomes: Is evolution true? If evolution is true, then there will be no conflict between the theory of evolution and the Bible.

The only conflict is between people's interpretations of the Bible and evolution.

Nathan Poe · Jul 13, 2003

JohnR7 said:
The point is, that the Bible is truth. It does not change. The truth of God is eternal. It always has been, it always well be. God is the same, yesterday, today and tomorrow.

No, the point is that you do not know the difference between fact and faith. You choose to believe that everything you say about the Bible is true, and who knows, it just might be, but your decision to believe this does not make it so.

The question then becomes: Is evolution true? If evolution is true, then there will be no conflict between the theory of evolution and the Bible.

No, the question then becomes, if you read the Bible, and you believe that it means whatever you think it means, and you discover evidence which contradicts that, do you choose to ignore the evidence, or do you decide that maybe the Bible didn't mean whatever you thought it meant?

JohnR7 · Jul 13, 2003

Nathan Poe said:
No, the point is that you do not know the difference between fact and faith. You choose to believe that everything you say about the Bible is true, and who knows, it just might be, but your decision to believe this does not make it so.

Why thank you Nathan. Yesterday I was convinced that you hated me and today your saying that what I say about the Bible might be true

My only objective here is to be used by God to show people God's plan for them. To help them along the way so that they can make it to heaven. If that is something they are interested in.

God is for people. He wants to build them up and encourage them. He does not ever beat people down, or belittle them in any way. He just wants to show people all the good that is available to them.

I am trying to learn how to walk in His love, so that I can be loving at all time. So that I can encourage people and help them to be strengthened in the power that God has for them to be strengthened in.

No, the question then becomes, if you read the Bible, and you believe that it means whatever you think it means, and you discover evidence which contradicts that, do you choose to ignore the evidence, or do you decide that maybe the Bible didn't mean whatever you thought it meant?

The letter of the law killeth. It is the spirit that gives life. How can there be any contradiction to the love of God and the liberty we have? Yes, the Holy Spirit helps me to understand the word of God. So I give a testimony that the same Holy Spirit can do a work in you, so that you also can understand the word of God.

But to answer your question, I have never found any evidence that contradicted the word of God. So it is a hypothetical question.

Cantuar · Jul 13, 2003

The question then becomes: Is evolution true? If evolution is true, then there will be no conflict between the theory of evolution and the Bible.

Evolution is an observed fact. It's described by the theory of evolution. is something true because it's an observed fact? "True" seems a strange description of an observed natural phenomenon. It's like asking "Is weather true?" Evolution occurs. The theory of evolution is the explanation, based on the laws of nature and the scientific method. Agreement or disagreement with the Bible is scientifically irrelevant.

JohnR7 · Jul 13, 2003

Cantuar said:
Evolution is an observed fact.

If that were true, we would not be having this discussion.

The theory of evolution is the explanation, based on the laws of nature and the scientific method. Agreement or disagreement with the Bible is scientifically irrelevant.

Irrelevant to Science perhaps, but not irrelevant to people who read the Bible, who check to see if something lines up with the Bible or not.

Arikay · Jul 13, 2003

Sure we would be having the discussion.

Do you believe the earth is round or flat?

Well, the Flat earth society would disagree with you.

aggie03 · Jul 13, 2003

Evolution with a big 'E', meaning macro-evolution is not an observed fact, it is complete and total speculation. Micro-evolution (evolution with a little 'e') is something that we can observe. The existence of 'e'volution does not necessitate the existence of 'E'volution. Let's see where that gets us.

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