The sixth seal event of Revelation 6

Douggg · Thursday at 5:43 PM

keras said:
Something dramatic must happen in order for a leader to gain control and to demand worship of himself. Revelation 13.
In verse1, we see he comes out of the sea, which means out of the nations. Revelation 17:15 How do you think he can take power and control of America, or of any nation, without the disablement of the existing Governments?

Revelation 13 covers the last 42 months before Jesus returns.

The beast kingdom is what comes out of the sea. The beast king is the mortally wounded but healed head.

His kingdom will be the EU, with likely allies of the U.S. and Canada.

keras · Friday at 3:37 AM

Douggg said:
So your answer is "no" there is nothing in Revelation 6:12-17 that speaks of a solar flare/CME event.

This is foolishness, No Prophecy tells the whole story.
The Sixth Seal is the terrible Day of the Lords wrath, the Day very well Prophesied of fire, earthquakes, storms and tsunamis.
Isaiah 30:26a, proves the sun is what the Lord will use and only a huge CME can literally fulfil all the graphic Prophesies about that Day.

So; do you believe the Anti-Christ will somehow just take over the nations in their present condition?

Douggg · Friday at 7:32 AM

keras said:
So; do you believe the Anti-Christ will somehow just take over the nations in their present condition?

No, the person will be anointed the King of Israel thought-to-be messiah. He will not conquer Israel to do so. It will be by free choice by the Jews of Judaism, who will embrace him as their king. Also look at John 5:43.

The Jews of Judaism are looking for their King of Israel messiah. And they will think that person is him.

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Are you aware of the Jews of Judaism are looking for their messiah ?

From the Judaism 101 site, here are some of the criteria...

"He will be a charismatic leader, inspiring others to follow his example. He will be a great military leader, who will win battles for Israel."

Now, keras, look at Revelation 6:2.

2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

tranquil · Friday at 10:33 AM

Douggg said:
Armies can be compared to locust.

But in Revelation 9, the locust are not compared to armies.

Revelation 9:
4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.

The locust insect like creatures are going to torment men with their very painful scorpion like stings for five months.

At least you acknowledge that locusts can be armies... That is real progress.

The people who aren't sealed by God are tormented by a spiritual army. It is these people that place the abomination at the 6th Trumpet.

Dan 11:31 His forces will rise up and desecrate the temple fortress. They will abolish the daily sacrifice and set up the abomination of desolation.

They have an evil spiritual doctrine that fills them with demonic torment. Just like in 1 Sam 16:15 Saul’s servants said to him, “Surely a spirit of distress from God is tormenting you.

Why is it from God?

You think that the Dan 9:27 covenant is the Mosaic covenant, right?

The blessings and curses of faithfulness and unfaithfulness are derived from the Mosaic covenant, right? These are described in Deuteronomy 28 (among other places).

The 'locust' (spiritual) army are a punishment from God for unfaithfulness. It is described in Deuteronomy 28:42-52

42 Swarms of locusts will consume all your trees and the produce of your land.

43 The foreigner living among you will rise higher and higher above you, while you sink down lower and lower. 44He will lend to you, but you will not lend to him. He will be the head, and you will be the tail.

47Because you did not serve the LORD your God with joy and gladness of heart in all your abundance, 48you will serve your enemies the LORD will send against you in famine, thirst, nakedness, and destitution. He will place an iron yoke on your neck until He has destroyed you.

49The LORD will bring a nation from afar, from the ends of the earth, to swoop down upon you like an eagle—a nation whose language you will not understand, 50a ruthless nation with no respect for the old and no pity for the young. 51They will eat the offspring of your livestock and the produce of your land until you are destroyed. They will leave you no grain or new wine or oil, no calves of your herds or lambs of your flocks, until they have caused you to perish. 52They will besiege all the cities throughout your land, until the high and fortified walls in which you trust have fallen. They will besiege all your cities throughout the land that the LORD your God has given you.

tranquil · Friday at 10:47 AM

Douggg said:
Armies can be compared to locust.

But in Revelation 9, the locust are not compared to armies.

Revelation 9:
4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.

The locust insect like creatures are going to torment men with their very painful scorpion like stings for five months.

Here is another set of questions for you:

Are the 'locusts' of Joel the same 'locusts' of Revelation?

Of course, they are, but presumably you do not believe this.

So, the question becomes where do the locusts of Joel fit into Revelation then, if not at the Revelation 9 locusts?

Joel's locusts occur at the 'day of the Lord'.

Joel 1:15 Alas for the day! For the Day of the LORD is near, and it will come as destruction from the Almighty.

Revelation's 5th Trumpet locusts occur at the start of the Day of the Lord that was announced at the 6th Seal...

This is pretty simple.

And I will ask again, don't you know who the Northern army is?

Joel 2:20 The northern army I will drive away from you, banishing it to a barren and desolate land, its front ranks into the Eastern Sea, and its rear guard into the Western Sea. And its stench will rise; its foul odor will ascend. For He has done great things.

Don't you know that this is Gog's army that is... 'from the far north'?

Ezek 38:14 “Therefore, son of man, prophesy, and say to Gog, Thus says the Lord God: On that day when my people Israel are dwelling securely, will you not know it? 15You will come from your place out of the uttermost parts of the north, you and many peoples with you, all of them riding on horses, a great host, a mighty army. 16You will come up against my people Israel, like a cloud covering the land. In the latter days I will bring you against my land, that the nations may know me, when through you, O Gog, I vindicate my holiness before their eyes.

Douggg · Friday at 2:27 PM

tranquil said:
Are the 'locusts' of Joel the same 'locusts' of Revelation?

No. The locust in Revelation 9:3-10 will be insect like creatures that sting men. Their sting like that of a scorpion, very painful.

tranquil said:
Revelation's 5th Trumpet locusts occur at the start of the Day of the Lord that was announced at the 6th Seal...

Where do the locust emerge from in Revelation 9:2-3 ?

keras · Friday at 4:26 PM

Douggg said:
Are you aware of the Jews of Judaism are looking for their messiah ?

What you are obviously not aware of, is that Jewish Israel will be gone after the Sixth Seal devastation of the Middle East. Isaiah 22:1-14 tells it all.

Making the rider of the First Seal to become a king of Jewish Israel, is a stretch of imagination and is not stated in the Bible at all. He is just symbolic of all the conquerors of history and still to come.

Spiritual Jew · Friday at 4:45 PM

Douggg said:
The locust of the 5th Trumpet are not armies, but insect type creatures, whose sting will cause severe pain. They will have tails like scorpions.

Revelation 9:10 And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months.

Why would you take that literally? You think insect type creatures have an angel as their king?

Revelation 9:10 They had tails like scorpions, and there were stings in their tails. Their power was to hurt men five months. 11 And they had as king over them the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon, but in Greek he has the name Apollyon.

The locusts symbolically represent fallen angels/demons who have "the angel of the bottomless pit" as their king. Why would you try to interpret the most highly symbolic book in the entire Bible as literally as you possibly can? I don't get that at all.

Douggg · Friday at 4:57 PM

keras said:
What you are obviously not aware of, is that Jewish Israel will be gone after the Sixth Seal devastation of the Middle East. Isaiah 22:1-14 tells it all.

Making the rider of the First Seal to become a king of Jewish Israel, is a stretch of imagination and is not stated in the Bible at all. He is just symbolic of all the conquerors of history and still to come.

Are you aware of the Jews of Judaism are looking for their messiah ? yes or no.

keras · 2026-07-25T03:37:28-0500

Douggg said:
Are you aware of the Jews of Judaism are looking for their messiah ? yes or no.

Most Israelis are not. Only a small sect of Judaism are expecting a Messiah.
Are you aware that many Prophesies tell of the virtual destruction of Jewish Israel? They have no part to play in the end time events.

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