The sixth seal event of Revelation 6

Douggg said:

So your answer is "no" there is nothing in Revelation 6:12-17 that speaks of a solar flare/CME event.

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This is foolishness, No Prophecy tells the whole story.
The Sixth Seal is the terrible Day of the Lords wrath, the Day very well Prophesied of fire, earthquakes, storms and tsunamis.
Isaiah 30:26a, proves the sun is what the Lord will use and only a huge CME can literally fulfil all the graphic Prophesies about that Day.

So; do you believe the Anti-Christ will somehow just take over the nations in their present condition?

Douggg said:

Armies can be compared to locust.

But in Revelation 9, the locust are not compared to armies.

Revelation 9:
4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.

The locust insect like creatures are going to torment men with their very painful scorpion like stings for five months.

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At least you acknowledge that locusts can be armies... That is real progress.

The people who aren't sealed by God are tormented by a spiritual army. It is these people that place the abomination at the 6th Trumpet.

They have an evil spiritual doctrine that fills them with demonic torment. Just like in 1 Sam 16:15 Saul’s servants said to him, “Surely a spirit of distress from God is tormenting you.

Why is it from God?

You think that the Dan 9:27 covenant is the Mosaic covenant, right?

The blessings and curses of faithfulness and unfaithfulness are derived from the Mosaic covenant, right? These are described in Deuteronomy 28 (among other places).

The 'locust' (spiritual) army are a punishment from God for unfaithfulness. It is described in Deuteronomy 28:42-52

Douggg said:

Armies can be compared to locust.

But in Revelation 9, the locust are not compared to armies.

Revelation 9:
4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.

The locust insect like creatures are going to torment men with their very painful scorpion like stings for five months.

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Here is another set of questions for you:

Are the 'locusts' of Joel the same 'locusts' of Revelation?

Of course, they are, but presumably you do not believe this.

So, the question becomes where do the locusts of Joel fit into Revelation then, if not at the Revelation 9 locusts?

Joel's locusts occur at the 'day of the Lord'.

Revelation's 5th Trumpet locusts occur at the start of the Day of the Lord that was announced at the 6th Seal...

This is pretty simple.

And I will ask again, don't you know who the Northern army is?


Don't you know that this is Gog's army that is... 'from the far north'?

Douggg said:

Are you aware of the Jews of Judaism are looking for their messiah ?

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What you are obviously not aware of, is that Jewish Israel will be gone after the Sixth Seal devastation of the Middle East. Isaiah 22:1-14 tells it all.

Making the rider of the First Seal to become a king of Jewish Israel, is a stretch of imagination and is not stated in the Bible at all. He is just symbolic of all the conquerors of history and still to come.

Douggg said:

The locust of the 5th Trumpet are not armies, but insect type creatures, whose sting will cause severe pain. They will have tails like scorpions.

Revelation 9:10 And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months.

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Why would you take that literally? You think insect type creatures have an angel as their king?

Revelation 9:10 They had tails like scorpions, and there were stings in their tails. Their power was to hurt men five months. 11 And they had as king over them the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon, but in Greek he has the name Apollyon.

The locusts symbolically represent fallen angels/demons who have "the angel of the bottomless pit" as their king. Why would you try to interpret the most highly symbolic book in the entire Bible as literally as you possibly can? I don't get that at all.

Douggg said:

Are you aware of the Jews of Judaism are looking for their messiah ? yes or no.

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Most Israelis are not. Only a small sect of Judaism are expecting a Messiah.
Are you aware that many Prophesies tell of the virtual destruction of Jewish Israel? They have no part to play in the end time events.

Douggg said:

keras, I did a google search for "what percentage of Jews are looking for the messiah"

The AI result was that ... "100% of Orthodox Jews formally await the Messiah daily, while polls show about 55% of Israeli Jews and a smaller, unquantified minority of secular diaspora Jews actively hold this expectation."

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They all think to have a Messiah would be a nice idea. It has no relevance to the reality of what is Prophesied for the end times.
What they and you fail to see, is the almost complete wipe out of Jewish Israel. And their evil neighbours. Jeremiah 12:14, Isaiah 6:11-13, Matthew 8:12, +
We know when and how their actual, true Messiah will come again, Great will be that Day!

@dougg - while you seem to be unable to read or understand the many prophesies that tell how Jewish Israel will be Judged and punished, with only a small remnant surviving; then your end times paradigm will always be in error.
There is no 'King of Israel' prophesied for the end times. The few Christian Jews will join their brethren and live with them in all of the Holy Land. Jeremiah 50:4-5

It will be the rest of the world who will worship their Leader. Rev 13

Douggg said:

The Antichrist, the rider on the white horse in Revelation 6:2, representing a messianic figure, will be given a crown - that of being anointed the King of Israel messiah - received by the Jews of Judaism as such. Super big mistake on their part.

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I have proved that this idea is impossible. There will be no Jewish Israel then to have a King.
Isaiah 4:3 Then, [after the SS] those who will be left in Ziion, every one whose survival in Jerusalem, Isaiah 29:1-4, was decreed, will be called holy. The remnant, as per Isaiah 6:11-13, Romans 9:27

Things will be very different after the Sixth Seal worldwide disaster. It is plainly Prophesied that the new peoples occupying all of the Holy Land, will elect their own leader. Hosea 1:11, Jeremiah 30:2. Before Jesus Returns.
Please acknowledge that you have read these scriptures.

Douggg said:

Yes, I read all those scriptures.

I don't see how any of them have to do with Jesus not being Israel's King who comes in the name of the Lord.

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This topic is about things and events BEFORE the glorious Return. The peoples in the Holy Land will choose a leader for themselves.
That elected person will not purport to be sent by God. The Lord will speak to him. Jeremiah 30:21 [ mistakenly put verse 2, but it does apply too]

The point, which you blatantly ignore, is that there will not be a Jewish Israel for anyone to be a king over!

Those who are called Jews and who call themselves Jews, have historically exhibited a bitter hatred toward Christianity:
“When the Jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with envy, and spoke against the [Gospel]…contradicting and blaspheming” (Acts 13:45).

The Jewish people “repented not”, Revelation 2:21, of their ongoing blasphemy directed toward the Gospel of the Son of God and 40 years afterwards, they were conquered by the Romans and exiled.
So now as “the spirit that now works in the children of disobedience... Ephesians 2:2, there has been a modern migration of the Jewish people back into their ancient homeland and this is their final opportunity to get right with God.

The role of the Spirit of Darkness is to draw the world to Satan and, over the centuries, the Christians have been deceived into believing in another gospel – a false teaching in which the physical peoples called Jews are still considered to be the chosen people of God.
“I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan. Revelation 2:9

By embracing Christ rejecting people as the children of God, the believers of the last few centuries are dishonouring Jesus, as only His believers are the chosen people of God. John 15:19, 1 Peter 2:9-10
That the Jewish current occupiers of the part of the holy Land are not the people God intends to have in His Land during the last few years of this era and for the Millennium, is proved by many prophesies:

Ezekiel 21:2-7 Son of man, set your face toward Jerusalem and prophesy against the Land of Israel. My sword will be drawn against everyone from the Negev to the North, it will kill both the righteous and wicked alike. All courage will fail – it will surely take place.

Jeremiah 8:5-12 Judah has no remorse or repentance, How can you say: We have the Law, when your scribes have falsified it? For all, high and low are out for ill-gotten gain, your prophets and rabbis are frauds, every one of them. This wicked race would rather die than live. They say: All is well; no, nothing is well, they will all fall with a great crash on the Day of Reckoning. You will be as dung spread on the ground. Then, I will give the Land to new owners.

Amos 2:4-5 For the crimes of Judah, there will be no reprieve, they have spurned the Law of the Lord and have not observed His decrees. They have followed false gods. Therefore I shall send fire on Judah, fire will consume them.

Hosea 8:14And for you, Judah, a harvest of reckoning will come, I will send fire onto your cities

Zephaniah 1:4-6 Judah will be judged and those who have neither sought the Lord, nor enquired of Him, will be wiped out.

Obadiah 1:15-16 The Day of the Lord is at hand for all the nations....you too will drink the cup of wrath that My people, Judah, must drink on My Holy mountain.

Jeremiah 19:11 I shall smash this people, as a clay jar is smashed beyond repair. There will be no room left to bury them all.

Jeremiah 21:11-14 To the Royal House of Judah....I shall punish you as you deserve. I shall set fire to your scrubland, it will consume everything around about.

Ezekiel 20:46-47...I am about to kindle a fire in the Negev....it will scorch everyone in the Land.

Isaiah 9:18-19 Wicked men have been set ablaze. The Land is scorched and the people are fuel for the fire.

Jeremiah 13:19 The towns in the Negev are besieged, no one can relieve them. Judah has been swept clean away.

Isaiah 4:3-4 The remnant of Judah will be called holy when the Lord cleanses Zion by a Spirit of judgement burning like fire. Romans 9:27

Luke 19:27 As for those enemies of Mine, who did not want Me for their King, bring them here and slaughter them

Matthew 27:25 His blood be upon us and our children.

Matthew 21:41-43 The King will bring those criminals to justice and destroy them. Therefore the Kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will bear its fruit Ephesians 5:6.....it is for all these sins that Divine retribution falls onto God’s rebel subjects. Romans 1:18
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