The sixth seal event of Revelation 6

BibleDaniel7 · Sunday at 10:22 AM

Douggg said:
Hi BibleDaniel7,

On your diagram could you please show the 3 1/2 days that the two witnesses bodies lay dead ? In Revelation 11:8-12.

Nice job on making a column for "Summary of Bible description".

Hi Douggg

I looked at your request again and decided to add it, thank you for the suggestion. I also improved the chart slightly. I hope you like it!

Douggg · Sunday at 12:24 PM

BibleDaniel7 said:
Hi Douggg

I looked at your request again and decided to add it, thank you for the suggestion. I also improved the chart slightly. I hope you like it!

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Hi BibleDaniel7,

You have the 1260 days of the two witnesses as the Second 3.5 year period... which completes the 7 years.

If the bodies of the two witnesses lay dead in the streets for 3.5 days after the completed 7 years - their bodies would be dead for three and a half days after Jesus has returned.

Also, let's read what happens after their bodies come back to life and are called up to heaven..

Revelation 11:12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

An earthquake 3.5 days after Jesus has returned, so strong that 7 thousand men die ?

No, you have the 1260 days as being the second 3.5 years wrong. The 1260 days is the first 3.5 years. I show the 3.5 days on my chart below.

Douggg · Sunday at 12:32 PM

@BibleDaniel7

Also, when the two witnesses are killed, in Revelation 11:10 their enemies celebrate, exchanging gifts with one another for 3.5 days.

None of those things are going to happen after Jesus returns. So the 1260 days of the two witnesses are the first 3.5 years.

Douggg · Sunday at 12:42 PM

BibleDaniel7 said:
I am just trying to show that the next main event after the second 3.5 year period is the seventh trumpet and associated events.

The seventh trumpet announces the third woe to the inhabiters of the earth.

Revelation 8:13 And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound! (kjv)

The third woe is found in Revelation 12:12.

Revelation 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time. (kjv)

Satan's little time left will be the time, times, half time of Revelation 12:14.

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So what I am saying is that on your diagram, delete that last two lines about the 7th trumpet, because you have it wrong as being at the end of the 7 years.

Douggg · Sunday at 12:46 PM

Douggg · Sunday at 12:49 PM

@BibleDaniel7

Here is a chart I made of the activity of the two witnesses.

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BibleDaniel7 · Sunday at 12:56 PM

Hi Douggg

I think my chart is clear that the 3.5 days happens before the 7th trumpet and the Return of Jesus. I am just following the order laid out in Revelation 11. I recommend you take a close look at that as well,

Douggg · Sunday at 1:13 PM

BibleDaniel7 said:
Hi Douggg

I think my chart is clear that the 3.5 days happens before the 7th trumpet and the Return of Jesus. I am just following the order laid out in Revelation 11. I recommend you take a close look at that as well,

On your diagram, you show three time periods.
First 3.5 year period
Second 3.5 year period
3.5 day period

The First 3.5 year period + the Second 3.5 year period = the 7 years, correct ?

On your diagram you show the 1260 days of Revelation 11:3 as being the Second 3.5 year period.

Then, below, you show the 3.5 day period as being after the Second 3.5 year period.

1263.5 days total is more than 1260 days. Which your diagram puts that 3.5 days after Jesus returns.

Douggg · Sunday at 1:21 PM

@BibleDaniel7

I suggest that you redo your diagram following my chart layout. Have columns. And have one cell heading of 7 years (2520 days). Simliar like what I show on my chart layout.

Below that 7 years cell, have two cell headings of First 3.5 years and Second 3.5 years. To look something like this, I made in my Wordperfect 2021 program making a table, using your descriptions and placements.

You have the Revelation 12:14, Times, times, half time in the wrong place. Should be in the Second 3.5 years column - like the other two Times, times, half time are.

Also, you have the Revelation 11:3, 1260 days in the wrong place. Should be in the First 3.5 years column - like the Revelation 12:6 1260 days.

btw, what program are you using to make your diagram?

keras · Sunday at 3:45 PM

Douggg said:
So, provide your list of events.

I wrote this in 2023, it is my precis' of what God has planned for us in the end times:

My belief, and the premise of this book, is that we are, as at 2023, very close to the point where God will allow the commencement of the events leading to the end of this age. This will start with an attack on the Jewish State of Israel by a confederation of Islamic nations and entities. Prophecy clearly tells of the outcome of this attack, God will intervene and devastate much of the Middle East, including Israel. A remnant will survive in Jerusalem. Soon after this, all of the holy Land area will be regenerated and the Lord’s faithful Christian people will gather and settle there. Problems around the world of food, fuel and the economic situation will lead to the formation of a One World Government, led eventually by a powerful and charismatic man. Despite making a peace treaty with the new nation in the holy Land, he will attack and conquer them. This starts the Great Tribulation, as described in the book of Revelation. After 3½ years, the Lord Jesus will Return and commence His Millennial reign.
Ref: www.logostelos.info

This is the correct scenario and is supported by all the Prophesies. God is patient and has given more time for people to become Christians.

BibleDaniel7 · Sunday at 4:10 PM

Douggg said:
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On your diagram, you show three time periods.
First 3.5 year period
Second 3.5 year period
3.5 day period

The First 3.5 year period + the Second 3.5 year period = the 7 years, correct ?

On your diagram you show the 1260 days of Revelation 11:3 as being the Second 3.5 year period.

Then, below, you show the 3.5 day period as being after the Second 3.5 year period.

1263.5 days total is more than 1260 days. Which your diagram puts that 3.5 days after Jesus returns.

Hi Douggg

7 years is 365 x 7 = 2555 days (ignoring leap days). So there is an extra 35 days approx to make up 7 years, plenty of time for the 3.5 days.

I am trying to show the order of events: The first 3.5 years come before the second 3.5 years (and it is very helpful to link all those 3.5 year passages together, thank you). Following that there is the 3.5 days and a short pause (coming soon Rev 11:14 says in NIV version which I use). Then the seventh trumpet.

To respond to your other post as well:

Thanks for the suggestions on how to change my chart. If I add an extra column at the end with the final few days maybe it works. I have been using Microsoft Excel.

We disagree on the order of events, I just can’t see how you can shuffle things up the way you do, when the order is clear just reading the passage.

Douggg · Sunday at 4:41 PM

BibleDaniel7 said:
We disagree on the order of events, I just can’t see how you can shuffle things up the way you do, when the order is clear just reading the passage.

Actually, I have not shuffled anything. I grouped all of the like time expressions together and color coded them the same.

But what you are going by regarding the order - is that you are not taking into account WHY the 42 months was spoken of before the 1260 days.

In verse 1, John was told to measure the temple. Then in verse 2, John was not not to include the outer court as it will be under the control of the Gentiles (not the Jews). And that the holy city (of Jerusalem where the temple will be) the Gentiles will tread under foot 42 months.

You put those 42 months in the second half, right ? Just like I did.

So, in verse 3, additional information, Jesus presents to John....

3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

If their testimony period was in the second half , then Jesus would have said they shall prophesy 42 months.

But Jesus didn't say 42 months because 1260 days is before the 42 months.

BibleDaniel7 said:
7 years is 365 x 7 = 2555 days (ignoring leap days). So there is an extra 35 days approx to make up 7 years, plenty of time for the 3.5 days.

During the 3.5 days, the enemies to the two witnesses will be celebrating and exchanging gifts.

Does that sound like something that would happen as the wicked men of the world are terrified by Jesus appearing in heaven, and have gathered at Armageddon preparing to make war on Him and His armies of heaven ?

Douggg · Sunday at 5:05 PM

keras said:
This will start with an attack on the Jewish State of Israel by a confederation of Islamic nations and entities. Prophecy clearly tells of the outcome of this attack, God will intervene and devastate much of the Middle East, including Israel.

You are referring to Ezekiel 38, right ? The Gog/Magog event.

keras said:
A remnant will survive in Jerusalem.

I am not reading that part anywhere in Ezekiel 38 or Ezekiel 39.

keras said:
Soon after this, all of the holy Land area will be regenerated and the Lord’s faithful Christian people will gather and settle there.

I am not reading in either Ezekiel 38 or Ezekiel 39 about Christians coming from around the world in the aftermath of the Gog/Magog event to create a new nation there in the land of Israel.

In Ezekiel 39:9, there are 7 years that follow the Gog/Magog event. And during the first part of that 7 years the house of Israel is going to be burying the dead of Gog's army for 7 months in Ezekiel 39:12.

See, keras ? There is no time space in the text for a new Christian nation to be created before the 7 years begin.

The 7 years of the Antichrist as the Jews of Judaism looked for King of Israel messiah will be right after the Gog/Magog event.

keras · Sunday at 7:23 PM

Douggg said:
You are referring to Ezekiel 38, right ? The Gog/Magog event.

No, I am not. I refer to the sudden and shocking Day the Lord sends His fiery wrath.
It will clear and cleanse all the Holy land and the faithful 'sheep' of God will go to live there. Ezekiel 34:11-16 G/M wlll attack them a few years later.

The rest of your post is irrelevant.

Douggg · Sunday at 9:26 PM

keras said:
No, I am not. I refer to the sudden and shocking Day the Lord sends His fiery wrath.
It will clear and cleanse all the Holy land and the faithful 'sheep' of God will go to live there. Ezekiel 34:11-16 G/M wlll attack them a few years later.

The rest of your post is irrelevant.

keras, you wrote that things start with...

"This will start with an attack on the Jewish State of Israel by a confederation of Islamic nations and entities."

So what text are you referring to if not Ezekiel 38 ?

truthuprootsevil · Monday at 2:00 AM

Douggg said:
We are living right before the first seal event takes place. The first seal event involves that arrival of the Antichrist who will be anointed the King of Israel, thought-to-be messiah. And right before his arrival, the Gog/Magog event will take place.

You may be right but I believe a bit differently. And I'm just sharing my beliefs not looking for a debate.

6 Then I saw the lamb open the first of the seven seals. I heard one of the four living creatures say with a voice like thunder, “Go!” 2 Then I looked, and there was a white horse! Its rider had a bow, and a victor’s crown had been given to him. He went out as a conqueror to conquer.
(( I believe at the death and resurrection of Christ the last days began as well as this rider to conquer as many as he could))

The Vision of the Second Seal Opened
3 When the lamb[a] opened the second seal, I heard the second living creature say, “Go!” 4 A second horse went out. It was fiery red, and its rider was given permission to take peace away from the earth and to make people slaughter one another. So he was given a large sword.
(( Always has been but more and more and there hasn't been peace on Earth in quite a while))

The Vision of the Third Seal Opened
5 When the lamb opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, “Go!” I looked, and there was a black horse! Its rider held a scale in his hand. 6 I heard what sounded like a voice from among the four living creatures, saying, “One day’s ration of wheat for a day’s wage, or three day’s ration of barley for a day’s wage![c] But don’t damage the olive oil or the wine!”
(( Late 20th century prices on everything begin to increase, with little to no wage increases in the best governed countries and many starving in others.))

The Vision of the Fourth Seal Opened
7 When the lamb[d] opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature say, “Go!” 8 I looked, and there was a pale green horse! Its rider’s name was Death, and Hades[e] followed him. They were given authority over one-fourth of the earth to kill people using wars, famines, plagues, and the wild animals of the earth.
((After the death burial and Resurrection of wars increased to as it is pass century, there is always a war somewhere, the same applies to famines. Plagues killing millions worldwide started after the resurrection and as time goes on less years between the outbreaks - 1000s, hundreds of thousands or millions die / covid was the last one and only a few years between these outbreaks in the 21st century...... And the majority of these plagues come from animals.))

The Vision of the Fifth Seal Opened
9 When the lamb[f] opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slaughtered because of the word of God and the testimony they had given. 10 They cried out in a loud voice,

“Holy and true Sovereign,
how long will it be before you judge
and take revenge on those living on the earth
who shed our blood?”

11 Each of them was given a white robe. They were told to rest a little longer until the number of[g] their fellow servants and their brothers was completed, who would be killed as they themselves had been.

The Vision of the Sixth Seal Opened
12 Then I saw the lamb[h] open the sixth seal. There was a powerful earthquake. The sun turned as black as sackcloth made of hair, and the full moon turned as red as blood.
((Was it an earthquake or volcanic eruption or nuclear weaponry to the writer who may not have known could only describe what they know as an earthquake -- earthquakes have increased. Seems like it would be the beginning of the six seal.This event event hasen't occurred ))

13 The stars in the sky fell to the earth like a fig tree drops its fruit when it is shaken by a strong wind. 14 The sky vanished like a scroll being rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved from its place.
(( do earthquakes cause the sky to vanish? What stars fell to the Earth - are some of those fallen Angels coming back, as written as it was in the days of Noah and Genesis six begin with the sons of God mingling with mankind and with their leader the devil / Lucifer / the beast / written Of in Revelation and his Antichrist.... This event has not occurred but when we read the signs of the term to know that the end of days is near all the signs except two are occurring and occurring simultaneously as Jesus said when we see all these things, know that the end is near even at the door in Matthew 24. ))

15 Then the kings of the earth, the important people, the generals, the rich, the powerful, and all the slaves and free people concealed themselves in caves and among the rocks in the mountains.
((CAVES: Rich people like Elon Musk, Jeff Basos and others of building self-sufficient underground bunkers in several areas around the Earth. Wealthy people building underground bunkers and stac,king them. But has not occurred this event.))

16 They told the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of the one who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the lamb. 17 For the great day of their wrath has come, and who is able to endure it?”

The Vision of the Sealing of 144,000 People
7 After this, I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth. They were holding back the four winds of the earth so that no wind could blow on the land, on the sea, or on any tree. 2 I saw another angel coming from the east having the seal of the living God. He cried out in a loud voice to the four angels who had been permitted to harm the land and sea, 3 “Don’t harm the land, the sea, or the trees until we have marked the servants of our God with a seal on their foreheads.”

4 I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000. Those who were sealed were from every tribe of Israel: 5 12,000 from the tribe of Judah were sealed, 12,000 from the tribe of Reuben, 12,000 from the tribe of Gad, 6 12,000 from the tribe of Asher, 12,000 from the tribe of Naphtali, 12,000 from the tribe of Manasseh, 7 12,000 from the tribe of Simeon, 12,000 from the tribe of Levi, 12,000 from the tribe of Issachar, 8 12,000 from the tribe of Zebulun, 12,000 from the tribe of Joseph, and 12,000 from the tribe of Benjamin were sealed.

The Vision of Tribulation Saints
9 After these things, I looked, and there was a crowd so large that no one was able to count it! They were from every nation, tribe, people, and language. They were standing in front of the throne and the lamb and were wearing white robes, with palm branches in their hands. 10 They cried out in a loud voice,

“Salvation belongs to our God,
who sits on the throne,
and to the lamb!”

11 All the angels stood around the throne and around the elders and the four living creatures. They fell on their faces in front of the throne and worshipped God, 12 saying,

“Amen! Praise, glory, wisdom, thanks, honor, power, and strength
be to our God forever and ever! Amen!”

13 “Who are these people wearing white robes,” one of the elders asked me, “and where did they come from?”

14 I told him, “Sir, you know.”

Then he told me, “These are the people who are coming out of the terrible suffering.[j] They have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the lamb. 15 That is why:

“They are in front of the throne of God
and worship[k] him night and day in his Temple.
The one who sits on the throne will shelter them.
16 They will never be hungry or thirsty again.
Neither the sun nor its heat will ever beat down on them,
17 because the lamb in the center of the throne will be their shepherd.
He will lead them to springs filled with the water of life,
and God will wipe every tear from their eyes.”[l]

The Vision of the Seventh Seal Opened
8 When the lamb[m] opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven for about half an hour.

The Vision of Seven Angels Given Seven Trumpets
2 Then I saw the seven angels who stand in God’s presence, and seven trumpets were given to them. 3 Another angel came with a gold censer and stood at the altar. He was given a large quantity of incense to offer on the gold altar before the throne, along with the prayers of all the saints. 4 The smoke from the incense and the prayers of the saints went up from the angel’s hand to God. 5 The angel took the censer, filled it with fire from the altar, and threw it on the earth. Then there were peals of thunder, noises, flashes of lightning, and an earthquake. 6 The seven angels who had the seven trumpets got ready to blow them.

The Vision of the First Four Trumpets
7 When the first angel blew his trumpet, hail and fire were mixed with blood and thrown on the earth. One-third of the earth was burned up, one-third of the trees was burned up, and all the green grass was burned up.

8 When the second angel blew his trumpet, something like a huge mountain burning with fire was thrown into the sea. One-third of the sea turned into blood, 9 one-third of the creatures that were living in the sea died, and one-third of the ships was destroyed.

10 When the third angel blew his trumpet, a huge star blazing like a torch fell from heaven. It fell on one-third of the rivers and on the springs of water. 11 The name of the star is Wormwood. One-third of the water turned into wormwood, and many people died from the water because it had turned bitter.

12 When the fourth angel blew his trumpet, one-third of the sun, one-third of the moon, and one-third of the stars were struck so that one-third of them turned dark. One-third of the day was kept from having light, as was the night.

The Vision of the Eagle Flying
13 Then I looked, and I heard an eagle flying overhead say in a loud voice,

“How terrible, how terrible, how terrible
for those living on the earth,
because of the blasts of the remaining trumpets
that the three angels are about to blow!”

The Vision of the Fifth Trumpet
9 When the fifth angel blew his trumpet, I saw a star that had fallen to earth[n] from the sky.[o] The star[p] was given the key to the shaft of the bottomless pit.[q] 2 It opened the shaft of the bottomless pit,[r] and smoke came out of the shaft like the smoke from a large furnace. The sun and the air were darkened with the smoke from the shaft. 3 Locusts came out of the smoke onto the earth, and they were given power like that of earthly scorpions. 4 They were told not to harm the grass on the earth, any green plant, or any tree. They could harm only the people who do not have the seal of God on their foreheads. 5 They were not allowed to kill them, but were only allowed[t] to torture them for five months. Their torture was like the pain of a scorpion when it stings someone. 6 In those days people will seek death, but never find it. They will long to die, but death will escape them.

7 The locusts looked like horses prepared for battle. On their heads were victor’s crowns that looked like gold, and their faces were like human faces. 8 They had hair like women’s hair and teeth like lions’ teeth. 9 They had breastplates like iron, and the noise of their wings was like the roar of chariots with many horses rushing into battle. 10 They had tails and stingers like scorpions, and they had the power to hurt people with their tails for five months. 11 They had the angel of the bottomless pit ruling over them as king. In Hebrew he is called Abaddon,[v] and in Greek he is called Apollyon.[w]

12 The first catastrophe is over. After these things, there are still two more catastrophes to come.

The Vision of the Sixth Trumpet
13 When the sixth angel blew his trumpet, I heard a voice from the four[x] horns of the gold altar in front of God. 14 It told the sixth angel who had the trumpet, “Release the four angels who are held at the great Euphrates River.” 15 So the four angels who were ready for that hour, day, month, and year were released to kill one-third of humanity. 16 The number of cavalry troops was 200,000,000. I heard how many there were.[y]

17 This was how I saw the horses in my vision: The riders wore breastplates that had the color of fire, sapphire, and sulfur. The heads of the horses were like lions’ heads, and fire, smoke, and sulfur came out of their mouths. 18 By these three plagues—the fire, the smoke, and the sulfur that came out of their mouths—one-third of humanity was killed. 19 For the power of these horses is in their mouths and their tails. Their tails have heads like snakes, which they use to inflict pain.

20 The rest of the people who survived these plagues did not repent from their evil actions[z] or stop worshiping demons and idols made of gold, silver, bronze, stone, and wood, which cannot see, hear, or walk. 21 They did not repent from their murders, their witchcraft, their sexual immorality, or their thefts.

The Vision of the Powerful Angel
10 Then I saw another powerful angel come down from heaven. He was dressed in a cloud, and there was a rainbow over his head. His face was like the sun, and his legs were like columns of fire. 2 He held a small, opened scroll in his hand. Setting his right foot on the sea and his left foot on the land, 3 he shouted in a loud voice as a lion roars. When he shouted, the seven thunders spoke with voices of their own. 4 When the seven thunders spoke, I was going to write, but I heard a voice from heaven say, “Seal up what the seven thunders have said, and don’t write it down.”

5 Then the angel whom I saw standing on the sea and on the land raised his right hand to heaven. 6 He swore an oath by the one who lives forever and ever, who created heaven and everything in it, the earth and everything in it, and the sea and everything in it: “There will be no more delay. 7 When the time approaches[aa] for the seventh angel to blow his trumpet, God’s secret plan[ab] will be fulfilled, as he had announced to his servants, the prophets.”

8 Then the voice that I had heard from heaven spoke to me again, saying, “Go and take the opened scroll from the hand of the angel who is standing on the sea and on the land.”

keras · Monday at 2:53 AM

Douggg said:
keras, you wrote that things start with...

"This will start with an attack on the Jewish State of Israel by a confederation of Islamic nations and entities."

So what text are you referring to if not Ezekiel 38 ?

I refer mainly to Psalms 83, where the Islamic peoples who surround Israel now, go for an all out attack. Including Iran with nuke missiles.
Their fate is well Prophesied; Zephaniah 1:18, Malachi 4:1 & 34.....your enemies will be ashes under your feet. Nothing to bury.

The G/M attackers are peoples from further away, from the far reaches of the North, some Muslims, such as the escaped people from Iran; Jeremiah 49:35-37 Their fate is death by earthquakes, giant hailstones, fire and brimstone, etc..... Ezekiel 38:20-23 Their bones will be gathered and buried in Wadi Abrim

Also, it is plain from the texts, that the peoples who are attacked in the Psalms 83 event are not the same peoples as G/M attacks.
In the Psalms 83 attack against the Jewish State of Israel, the Lord will intervene and destroy them all. Ezekiel 7:14 Clearing and cleansing the Holy Land. Deuteronomy 32:34-43, Jeremiah 9:21-22

In the Gog/ Magog attack, the Lord motivates them to attack so He can display His power to protect His people. - His 'sheep', gathered into all of the Holy Land to be His witnesses and His Light to the nations.

Douggg · Monday at 3:48 AM

keras said:
I refer mainly to Psalms 83, where the Islamic peoples who surround Israel now, go for an all out attack. Including Iran with nuke missiles.

keras, you wrote...

"This will start with an attack on the Jewish State of Israel by a confederation of Islamic nations and entities. Prophecy clearly tells of the outcome of this attack, God will intervene and devastate much of the Middle East, including Israel. A remnant will survive in Jerusalem. "

Psalms 83 does not say that God will devastate Israel, nor that Jerusalem will be depopulated so that only a remnant will survive in Jerusalem.

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So, in the sequence of events of your view, which takes place first - the Psalms 83 attack on Israel, or the Sixth seal event ?

At the Worthy Christian site, you claim the Sixth seal event is next prophesied event. And that because of that the middle east will be depopulated, including the current nation of Israel. And that in the aftermath, Christians will migrate to the land of Israel and build a new nation of Christians.

Here at this site, you claim that the next event will be the Psalms 83 attack on the Jewish nation of Israel, and that as a result Jerusalem will be depopulated and only a remnant remain. And in the aftermath, Christians will migrate to the land of Israel and build a new nation of Christians.

keras, you have conflicts in your view(s).

keras · Monday at 4:26 AM

Douggg said:
keras, you wrote...

"This will start with an attack on the Jewish State of Israel by a confederation of Islamic nations and entities. Prophecy clearly tells of the outcome of this attack, God will intervene and devastate much of the Middle East, including Israel. A remnant will survive in Jerusalem. "

Psalms 83 does not say that God will devastate Israel, nor that a remnant will survive in Jerusalem.

Dougggg's byline:-
My eschatology objective is I try to understand the prophecies to put them all together into a start to finish scenario where everything fits together. That's the objective for me. Why don't you do this?
The Prophesies are scattered throughout the Bible and we know Judah will be virtually wiped out; Isaiah 6:4-6, 29;1-4 Romans 9:27, +

The belief of a Jewish redemption is false and will never happen. Isaiah 22:14
If anyone thinks they are good enough to go and live in heaven, then they have judged themselves and God will Judge them for that.

Douggg · Monday at 7:12 AM

keras said:
Dougggg's byline:-
My eschatology objective is I try to understand the prophecies to put them all together into a start to finish scenario where everything fits together. That's the objective for me. Why don't you do this?
The Prophesies are scattered throughout the Bible and we know Judah will be virtually wiped out; Isaiah 6:4-6, 29;1-4 Romans 9:27, +

The belief of a Jewish redemption is false and will never happen. Isaiah 22:14
If anyone thinks they are good enough to go and live in heaven, then they have judged themselves and God will Judge them for that.

keras, you did not answer the question...

"So, in the sequence of events of your view, which takes place first - the Psalms 83 attack on Israel, or the Sixth seal event ?"

The sixth seal event of Revelation 6

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