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NOAA releases 20th Annual "Arctic Report Card". The last 10 years have been the hottest 10 years on record

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Area of Alaskan permafrost the size of Greece thawing

The team, led by geoscientist Professor Michael Rawlins, analyzed 44 years of data at 1-kilometer grid resolution. The study revealed how massively runoff is increasing, the increased loads of previously frozen carbon flowing through northern Alaska’s rivers, and how the thawing season has extended into late summer and autumn.
Fortunately, there’s absolutely no ancient pathogens locked-away in the permafrost, ready to wreck havoc on modern humans. Probably.
 
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Scientists Denounce Trump’s Plan to Kill Crucial Atmospheric Science Center

The U.S. government is dismantling the National Center for Atmospheric Research, jettisoning key climate science projects in the process

The Trump administration is dismantling the National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR), long considered the crown jewel in the U.S.’s earth science infrastructure.

Via Michael Mann.


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Yea meanwhile the west is getting dryer and dryer with less and less snowpack to recharge their streams and aquifers. But we date not call it "climate change", let's just call it drought...
 
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Researchers declare 'catastrophic mortality event' as 145 gray whales found dead on West Coast

Experts say at this pace, 2026 could wind up being one of the deadliest years on record for these marine mammals.

The current stranding rate contrasts with the previous two decades, where the average number of stranding per year was around 43 from 2006 to 2023. In 2025, the number surged to 179, raising further concerns among scientists and conservationists.

Miyoko Sakashita, from the Center for Biological Diversity, indicated that starvation is a leading factor in these whale deaths. She attributed the lack of food to climate change, particularly the warming of the Arctic, which has adversely affected the whales' food supply during their summer feeding months.

"The sea ice melt has made it so there's not as much prey," Sakashita said.

The second major issue impacting gray whales is ship strikes.
 
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The climate is changing. Had happened before, will happen again. Nothing we can do about it. Natural phenomenon.

What we should be doing is spending as much time and energy (no pun intended) on how we mitigate the change.

Its the height of hubris to believe its our fault or that we have the ability to alter it for the good or ill. I have yet to hear of a single thing that would stop the process, much less reverse it.
 
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The climate is changing. Had happened before, will happen again.

Correct so far.

Nothing we can do about it. Natural phenomenon.

Nope.

If it were not for human activities, we'd be in a (mild) cooling period right now. But, instead we're in the midst of the most rapid period of global warming since humans have been a species.

NASA: "There is unequivocal evidence that Earth is warming at an unprecedented rate. Human activity is the principal cause."

There's an entire chapter in the IPCC report on how human behaviours are the main drivers of changes in Earth's climate and the warming of our atmosphere, land and water:


What we should be doing is spending as much time and energy (no pun intended) on how we mitigate the change.

Its the height of hubris to believe its our fault or that we have the ability to alter it for the good or ill.

It's not hubris, it's just basic physics and following the evidence.

We saw with CFCs that human activity can rapidly and dramatically impact the climate. We also saw that concerted human action can reverse at least some of the damage too.

I have yet to hear of a single thing that would stop the process, much less reverse it.

People are generally down on things they're not up on.

We can reverse anthropogenic climate change by reducing our emissions of carbon dioxide, nitrous oxides, methane and a few other trace gasses.

If we reduce our emissions, then we slow the rate of atmospheric carbon concentration increase, which will (eventually) slow the rate of warming and allow natural carbon sinks to bring things back towards a better balance.

Unfortunately, much of the damage has already been done. Atmospheric carbon dioxide has a half life of roughly 75 years. That means that my grandkids are going to be suffering from the impacts of the carbon dioxide that I've emitted through my lifetime.
 
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The climate is changing. Had happened before, will happen again.
Indeed.
Nothing we can do about it. Natural phenomenon.
False. All the data available confirms that this global warming is human induced. The excess of CO2 we put into the atmosphere is the direct cause.

What we should be doing is spending as much time and energy (no pun intended) on how we mitigate the change.
We could have stopped it of we had acted moderately 30 years ago. We could have stopped it if we had acted drastically 10 years ago. We can still avoid the worse. But we must act.
I have yet to hear of a single thing that would stop the process, much less reverse it.
The recipes are known: forcefully reduce the CO2 emissions, by investing in renewable energy sources and nuclear energy (both fission and fusion). Reforesting big stretches of land. Protect the existing forests
 
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The climate is changing. Had happened before, will happen again. Nothing we can do about it. Natural phenomenon.
As seen in countless climate changes throughout recorded history going back thousands of years. All of which would be called man made if they happened these days.
What we should be doing is spending as much time and energy (no pun intended) on how we mitigate the change.

Its the height of hubris to believe its our fault or that we have the ability to alter it for the good or ill. I have yet to hear of a single thing that would stop the process, much less reverse it.
They're often vague, evasive or genuinely uncertain when that question is asked. But the real answer is the $50 trillion green new deal industry.
 
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As seen in countless climate changes throughout recorded history going back thousands of years. All of which would be called man made if they happened these days.
I count three statements that have a non existent relationship with reality.
1) We haven't seen any climate change in recorded history. If you continue to say so, please provide an historical source.
2) Previous changes in climate stretched over tens of thousands and sometimes millions of years. The only single change (singular) in climate that humanity has gone through is the latest interglaciation. And we don't have any historical source from that.
3) We call it man made because we can exactly trace it to a very specific cause: the burning of fossil fuels, which is an entirely human activity. I haven't seen any rabbits digging for coal or pumping oil. Have you?

They're often vague, evasive or genuinely uncertain when that question is asked. But the real answer is the $50 trillion green new deal industry.
I nonetheless gave an answer:
The recipes are known: forcefully reduce the CO2 emissions, by investing in renewable energy sources and nuclear energy (both fission and fusion). Reforesting big stretches of land. Protect the existing forests.
 
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I count three statements that have a non existent relationship with reality.
1) We haven't seen any climate change in recorded history. If you continue to say so, please provide an historical source.
That's simple. Just look up worst droughts etc in history. That's how I learned about the long lasting catastrophic Nile River Valley drought that took place 4000 years ago. I've come across lots of similar examples over the years. Up to recent examples like the Oklahoma Dust Bowl.
2) Previous changes in climate stretched over tens of thousands and sometimes millions of years. The only single change (singular) in climate that humanity has gone through is the latest interglaciation. And we don't have any historical source from that.
3) We call it man made because we can exactly trace it to a very specific cause: the burning of fossil fuels, which is an entirely human activity. I haven't seen any rabbits digging for coal or pumping oil. Have you?


I nonetheless gave an answer:
The recipes are known: forcefully reduce the CO2 emissions, by investing in renewable energy sources and nuclear energy (both fission and fusion). Reforesting big stretches of land. Protect the existing forests.
A whole long list of significant climate cycles and events that are suddenly now all man made. I don't buy it.
 
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That's simple. Just look up worst droughts etc in history. That's how I learned about the long lasting catastrophic Nile River Valley drought that took place 4000 years ago. I've come across lots of similar examples over the years. Up to recent examples like the Oklahoma Dust Bowl.
About the Dust Bowl: swing and miss. The Dust Bowl lasted only a few years. So, no enduring change of the climate. A change of climate is seen of a lasting change of the average weather pattern, often taken over 30 years. The Dust Bowl doesn't apply.
As for the "Nile River Valley ", I didn't find anything (I didn't search very long, I admit. Please provide a source.

A whole long list of significant climate cycles and events that are suddenly now all man made. I don't buy it.
What don't you buy?
That humans are digging up coal, pumping up oil, gas etc?
That oil and coal contain carbon?
That burning the carbon in the coal and oil produces CO2,
That CO2 mainly absorbs radiation around 15 µm wavelength?
That 15µm radiation heats up the atmosphere?

Be a courageous man; what do you not buy? Be specific, be clear. Show us that you have a spine, no vagueness, dodging or distraction.
 
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About the Dust Bowl: swing and miss. The Dust Bowl lasted only a few years. So, no enduring change of the climate. A change of climate is seen of a lasting change of the average weather pattern, often taken over 30 yaers. The Dust Bowl doesn't apply.
As for the "Nile River Valley ", I didn't find anything (I didn't search very long, I admit. Please provide a source.


What don't you buy?
That humans are digging up coal, pumping up oil, gas etc?
That oil and coal contain carbon?
That burning the carbon in the coal and oil produces CO2,
That CO2 mainly absorbs radiation around 15 µm wavelength?
That 15µm radiation heats up the atmosphere?

Be a courageous man; what do you not buy? Be specific, be clear. Show us that you have a spine, no vagueness, dodging or distraction.
I don't buy that climate changes are now man made. I made that pretty clear the first time around.
 
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I don't buy that climate changes are now man made. I made that pretty clear the first time around.
That you don't buy it is indeed clear. Now, I would like to know why you think so.

What don't you buy?
That humans are digging up coal, pumping up oil, gas etc?
That oil and coal contain carbon?
That burning the carbon in the coal and oil produces CO2,
That CO2 mainly absorbs radiation around 15 µm wavelength?
That 15µm radiation heats up the atmosphere?
 
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That you don't buy it is indeed clear. Now, I would like to know why you think so.

What don't you buy?
That humans are digging up coal, pumping up oil, gas etc?
That oil and coal contain carbon?
That burning the carbon in the coal and oil produces CO2,
That CO2 mainly absorbs radiation around 15 µm wavelength?
That 15µm radiation heats up the atmosphere?
You're just making me repeat myself. It's what I already said. I've heard all you're saying by several people in many threads over the last 10 years or more. And after all that repeated info, my conclusion is what I've already stated. I don't buy into most of it.

Only about 3% of the Earth's surface is covered by cities and industry. I don't believe that 3% is affecting the rest of the 97% all that significantly. I think it's mostly the cycles of climate change the earth itself has generated over the last 4000 years.
 
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You're just making me repeat myself. It's what I already said. I've heard all you're saying by several people in many threads over the last 10 years or more. And after all that repeated info, my conclusion is what I've already stated. I don't buy into most of it.

Only about 3% of the Earth's surface is covered by cities and industry. I don't believe that 3% is affecting the rest of the 97% all that significantly. I think it's mostly the cycles of climate change the earth itself has generated over the last 4000 years.
So, what is causing this steep spike in the average global surface temperature in the last 2-300 years?
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And I'm asking specifically. If it's not human activity what geologic events are taking place to cause it? There is no spike that steep in the history of the planet. Most warming periods have taken thousands of years to rise a single degree and most have been under that. Here we see a rise of over a full degree in a little less than 300 years that just happens to coincide with when we started burning fossil fuels en masse.

 
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You're just making me repeat myself. It's what I already said. I've heard all you're saying by several people in many threads over the last 10 years or more. And after all that repeated info, my conclusion is what I've already stated. I don't buy into most of it.
You haven't said it to me. And believe me, I would have remembered the gem that your about to produce, i.e. this:
Only about 3% of the Earth's surface is covered by cities and industry. I don't believe that 3% is affecting the rest of the 97% all that significantly.
You can not cite one single scientific paper or even a pop science article that claims that the surface of cities and industry causes a global warming. And spare yourself the effort to link to articles about heat islands or heat domes. I am very well aware about these. These are local phenomenons. I may hope that you understand the difference between local and global.

I think it's mostly the cycles of climate change the earth itself has generated over the last 4000 years.

Yes, yes, you don't think so, you don't believe it, you don't buy it. What you don't do above all is referring to any scientific study, paper or empirical data. The arguments put forward are just your beliefs and thoughts, completely fact free, data free, floating in the air just like the excess of CO2.
 
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You're just making me repeat myself. It's what I already said. I've heard all you're saying by several people in many threads over the last 10 years or more. And after all that repeated info, my conclusion is what I've already stated. I don't buy into most of it.

Only about 3% of the Earth's surface is covered by cities and industry. I don't believe that 3% is affecting the rest of the 97% all that significantly. I think it's mostly the cycles of climate change the earth itself has generated over the last 4000 years.
The people who have looked into the data and the mechanisms of climate have found different. Youre just some guy with a hunch. I know whos conclusions I should favor.
 
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I don't buy that climate changes are now man made. I made that pretty clear the first time around.
I realize you only acknowledge your own opinion as the source of all truth, but the evidence says otherwise.
 
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