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Julie, in 1 Thessalonians 4:14-18, there is nothing about Jesus coming with His bride, nor about Jesus coming with the armies of heaven.
It most certainly is.
Hebrews 9:28 to take place during the resurrection/rapture event. The resurrection/rapture event will take place before God's wrath begins, according to 1 Thessalonians 5:9-11.
There were no chapters. These were letters. If we read on we see that Paul is continuing the discussion in chapter 5 that he started in chapter 4. It should all be read together to not lose context. He is not starting a new subject.
The chapter and verse designations in the bible were created by the translators for reference purposes.
Which is unfortunate but it doesn't change the fact that this was a letter/epistle written to the Thessalonians with no chapters. Again, he's continuing the subject, not starting a new one.
That's what I have been saying.
Wrong. It is referring to the souls of the dead in Christ who will be with Him when He comes from heaven (1 Thessalonians 4:14).
Are you pretending to not know what she is saying? What about 1 Thessalonians 5:1-8? Why do you skip to verse 9 and act as if verses 1 to 8 aren't also a continuation from where 1 Thessalonians 4 left off?
Then why does Paul tell the Thessalonians that they shouldn't worry about their passed away loved ones and that he will bring those with him during his return?
Verse 14 is confusing, It does not say 'all' the Christian dead and the mention of God possibly places it after the Millennium.
Maybe to you it is, but not to me and many others.
It doesn't say some of the Christian dead. It's the same event as 1 Corinthians 15:22-23, which does specifically indicate that it will be all of the dead in Christ that are resurrected when Jesus returns.
John 5:28-29 is definitive, but you don't accept it. Jesus said there that the hour/time is coming at which point all of the dead will be resurrected, both saved and lost. Why wouldn't you want to make something that Jesus Himself said as part of the foundation of your doctrine instead of something written in one of the most highly debated passages in all of scripture?
Julie, 1Thessalonians4:14-18 is not about Jesus's return, but about the resurrection/rapture event.
It will be all the Christian dead - up to the time the resurrection/rapture event takes place.
Revelation 20 tells us just when all of the dead will be resurrected. AFTER the thousand years, which will commence when Jesus Returns.
keras, as each martyred in Christ is killed, where does their soul go to ?
This idea is another violation of scripture.
