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Star Trek Concept vs Situation -or- Why Star Trek: Lower Decks Succeeds and Star Trek: Starfleet Academy Fails.

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I was discussing this with my daughter, who suggested that Starfleet Academy failed because it tried to tell a “situational” story--like a typical character-conflict drama--inside a science fiction format. Her view was that this doesn’t work well because science fiction has to spend time on world-building, while situational stories depend on immediate, interpersonal conflict.

I think she’s pointing in the right direction, but the issue is a bit more precise than that.

The real dividing line isn’t “character-driven vs. concept-driven,” and it’s not that science fiction can’t support situational storytelling. The key question is structural:

Does the concept generate the conflict, or does it merely host it?

Classic Star Trek works because it is concept-generated. The governing premise creates the conflict space, whether it’s AI personhood, the Prime Directive, or wartime ethics. Characters are not just interacting with each other, they are being forced into decisions by the rules and pressures of the science fiction universe itself.

You can express that as a simple test:

If you can remove the science fiction premise and the story still works, then it isn’t truly science fiction, it’s a conventional drama with a sci-fi backdrop.

Using that framework, the strongest Trek episodes follow the same structure:
science fiction concept → constraints → conflict → character response.

That’s why episodes like “The Measure of a Man” or “In the Pale Moonlight” stand out. The idea isn’t just thematic, it actively forces the characters into moral decisions.

By contrast, weaker entries tend to invert the chain:
character → conflict → plot → sci-fi explanation

In that model, the setting becomes decorative. The same conflicts could just as easily take place in a courtroom, a military academy, or a college campus.

That said, this doesn’t mean character-conflict stories don’t belong in Star Trek. In the older 22-episode network format, there was plenty of room for variation. You could have episodes that leaned more heavily on interpersonal conflict, and many episodes successfully used character-driven stories as B-plots alongside a concept-driven A-plot. Those elements can add texture and depth, as long as they are not carrying the primary narrative weight.

This is why Lower Decks, despite being a comedy, still works as Trek. Its situations are generated by Starfleet structure, alien encounters, and technological constraints. Remove those, and the episodes fall apart.

By comparison, Starfleet Academy appears to rely heavily on portable conflicts--romance, rivalry, identity, belonging--and then place them inside a Trek setting. That makes it situational in the wrong way: the concept isn’t driving the story, it’s just containing it.

So the issue isn’t tone, and it isn’t the presence of character drama. It’s whether the narrative is actually constrained by the idea.

The simplest way to put it is this:

If the science fiction premise is not structurally necessary, then the story isn’t really operating as science fiction--and in the case of Star Trek, it won’t feel like Star Trek.
 

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I was discussing this with my daughter, who suggested that Starfleet Academy failed because it tried to tell a “situational” story--like a typical character-conflict drama--inside a science fiction format. Her view was that this doesn’t work well because science fiction has to spend time on world-building, while situational stories depend on immediate, interpersonal conflict.

I think she’s pointing in the right direction, but the issue is a bit more precise than that.

The real dividing line isn’t “character-driven vs. concept-driven,” and it’s not that science fiction can’t support situational storytelling. The key question is structural:

Does the concept generate the conflict, or does it merely host it?

Classic Star Trek works because it is concept-generated. The governing premise creates the conflict space, whether it’s AI personhood, the Prime Directive, or wartime ethics. Characters are not just interacting with each other, they are being forced into decisions by the rules and pressures of the science fiction universe itself.

You can express that as a simple test:

If you can remove the science fiction premise and the story still works, then it isn’t truly science fiction, it’s a conventional drama with a sci-fi backdrop.

Using that framework, the strongest Trek episodes follow the same structure:
science fiction concept → constraints → conflict → character response.

That’s why episodes like “The Measure of a Man” or “In the Pale Moonlight” stand out. The idea isn’t just thematic, it actively forces the characters into moral decisions.

By contrast, weaker entries tend to invert the chain:
character → conflict → plot → sci-fi explanation

In that model, the setting becomes decorative. The same conflicts could just as easily take place in a courtroom, a military academy, or a college campus.

That said, this doesn’t mean character-conflict stories don’t belong in Star Trek. In the older 22-episode network format, there was plenty of room for variation. You could have episodes that leaned more heavily on interpersonal conflict, and many episodes successfully used character-driven stories as B-plots alongside a concept-driven A-plot. Those elements can add texture and depth, as long as they are not carrying the primary narrative weight.

This is why Lower Decks, despite being a comedy, still works as Trek. Its situations are generated by Starfleet structure, alien encounters, and technological constraints. Remove those, and the episodes fall apart.

By comparison, Starfleet Academy appears to rely heavily on portable conflicts--romance, rivalry, identity, belonging--and then place them inside a Trek setting. That makes it situational in the wrong way: the concept isn’t driving the story, it’s just containing it.

So the issue isn’t tone, and it isn’t the presence of character drama. It’s whether the narrative is actually constrained by the idea.

The simplest way to put it is this:

If the science fiction premise is not structurally necessary, then the story isn’t really operating as science fiction--and in the case of Star Trek, it won’t feel like Star Trek.
Connecting with the characters was my issue.
 

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Connecting with the characters was my issue.
That was poor writing, not poor "audienceing."

An animated Pixar movie came out a few years ago, "Turning Red" that created a storm of controversy. One of the complaints was that an "entering puberty" story about a Chinese-Canadian girl was just too far removed for most people, particularly men, to relate to.

Well, heck, I'm an elderly black American man, and I adore the movie; I've watched it numerous times.

I can connect with the lead character because the story successfully informs me of what drives the little girl: What she loves, what she fears, what she wants and how all those conflict within her. IMO, if a person can't relate, they're failing in "audiencing."

Starfleet Academy doesn't really do that well. It presents us with preset characters--stereotypes--that we're supposed to recognize and plug into their places in a preconceived mental matrix of a social situation. Paramount even advertised the series as a collection of stereotypes, actually labeling the stereotypical roles of each character.
 

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That was poor writing, not poor "audienceing."

An animated Pixar movie came out a few years ago, "Turning Red" that created a storm of controversy. One of the complaints was that an "entering puberty" story about a Chinese-Canadian girl was just too far removed for most people, particularly men, to relate to.

Well, heck, I'm an elderly black American man, and I adore the movie; I've watched it numerous times.

I can connect with the lead character because the story successfully informs me of what drives the little girl: What she loves, what she fears, what she wants and how all those conflict within her. IMO, if a person can't relate, they're failing in "audiencing."

Starfleet Academy doesn't really do that well. It presents us with preset characters--stereotypes--that we're supposed to recognize and plug into their places in a preconceived mental matrix of a social situation. Paramount even advertised the series as a collection of stereotypes, actually labeling the stereotypical roles of each character.
The actors themselves had very little unique qualities to offer. Boring.
 

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Does the concept generate the conflict, or does it merely host it?
See 'The Martian' and 'Project Hail Mary'. Primarily concept driven. Read both books. Yet to see the second film.
 

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See 'The Martian' and 'Project Hail Mary'. Primarily concept driven. Read both books. Yet to see the second film.
This reminds me that a concept-driven story can make good science fiction even if the concept is not strictly science fiction...maybe. That's where good writing has to bridge the gap.

"The Martian" may have been inspired by "Robinson Crusoe on Mars" from the 60s which was obviously inspired by the original Robinson Crusoe.

"Project Hail Mary" could be considered a partial subversion of "Enemy Mine" which was inspired by "Hell in the Pacific." In the case of Project Hail Mary, the pair don't start out as enemies, but they still have to learn how to communicate and cooperate in isolation. But the science fiction settings also provide additional concepts not contained in the original inspirations.

"Star Wars: Andor" demonstrates that a story can be concept-driven without being inherently science fiction, yet still require a science fiction setting to fully function. Its core premise--rebellion against authoritarian rule--could exist as a contemporary political or espionage narrative, but it takes the Star Wars galaxy (or something close to it) it operate at the necessary scale, clarity, and abstraction.

That whole story would not fit into any historical real-world setting. A real-world setting would either constrain the story with specific political realities or force it into thinly veiled allegory ("Hey, that looks like the Star Wars universe--why didn't they just use the Star Wars universe?"), whereas the fictional universe allows the mechanisms of oppression and resistance to be explored without those limitations.
 

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This reminds me that a concept-driven story can make good science fiction even if the concept is not strictly science fiction...maybe. That's where good writing has to bridge the gap.

"The Martian" may have been inspired by "Robinson Crusoe on Mars" from the 60s which was obviously inspired by the original Robinson Crusoe.

"Project Hail Mary" could be considered a partial subversion of "Enemy Mine" which was inspired by "Hell in the Pacific." In the case of Project Hail Mary, the pair don't start out as enemies, but they still have to learn how to communicate and cooperate in isolation. But the science fiction settings also provide additional concepts not contained in the original inspirations.
Yeah, saw the films you mentioned and like the comparisons. Mark me down as a hard sci fi fan. But there were always too many humanoid aliens in Trek for me to be a big fan. Never made sense to me.
 
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But there were always too many humanoid aliens in Trek for me to be a big fan. Never made sense to me.
They created an in-universe reason for that in TNG. Supposedly all those humanoid species across the galaxy were originally seeded by a humanoid "mother race" billions of years earlier.
 

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That’s why episodes like “The Measure of a Man” or “In the Pale Moonlight” stand out. The idea isn’t just thematic, it actively forces the characters into moral decisions.

In the Pale Moonlight is one my favorites too!

Deep space 9 is an all time favorite. I liked the newer ones too like Discovery but didn't the chance to watch the last three episodes.

I keep having dreams living a double life in the star trek universe often when I sleep. It concerns me and my late dad. Lots of twists like Guardians of the Galaxy, Star Trek, and Star Wars thrown together. Probably makes a half decent novel
 

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Yeah, saw the films you mentioned and like the comparisons. Mark me down as a hard sci fi fan. But there were always too many humanoid aliens in Trek for me to be a big fan. Never made sense to me.
It was an interesting thing in the universe of Isaac Asimov's novels and stories: There were no aliens. The closest he got to aliens was one story where they had a fleeting experience with unseen beings in an adjacent universe. As well, his novels and stories that were not explicitly about robots did not have any, and all those were relatively near future, with no robots in his distant future stories.

Towards the end of his writing career, he wrote a continuation of his R. Daneel Olivaw novels which explains why there are no aliens in the galaxy.

Spoiler: The robot R. Daneel Olivaw, in an ultimate effort to protect mankind, spent millennia removing all alien races and then also removed robots.
 

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That was poor writing, not poor "audienceing."

An animated Pixar movie came out a few years ago, "Turning Red" that created a storm of controversy. One of the complaints was that an "entering puberty" story about a Chinese-Canadian girl was just too far removed for most people, particularly men, to relate to.

Well, heck, I'm an elderly black American man, and I adore the movie; I've watched it numerous times.

I can connect with the lead character because the story successfully informs me of what drives the little girl: What she loves, what she fears, what she wants and how all those conflict within her. IMO, if a person can't relate, they're failing in "audiencing."

Starfleet Academy doesn't really do that well. It presents us with preset characters--stereotypes--that we're supposed to recognize and plug into their places in a preconceived mental matrix of a social situation. Paramount even advertised the series as a collection of stereotypes, actually labeling the stereotypical roles of each character.
Paramount's advertising for Star Fleet Academy literally listed the stereotypes for each of the main characters. It actually explicitly said:

"Caleb the Instigator"
"Genesis the Mastermind"
"SAM the Emergency Contact"
"Darem the Lovable A**hole"
"Jay-Den the Ride-or-Die"
 
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