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Nope... didn't miss it... just didn't get the gist of it. (I didn't bother watching the video)
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God did not create from nothing
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Nope... didn't miss it... just didn't get the gist of it. (I didn't bother watching the video)
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Does science require solid evidence?
From Wikipedia:
... virtually all modern scholars of antiquity agree that Jesus existed historically.
SOURCE
But Wikipedia can take a hike, can't it?
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You told me I was a YEC.
Then, when I showed you otherwise, you told me I was Last Thursday.
Then, when I showed you you were wrong by a factor of 314,000, you told me I was Apparent Age.
Then, when I explained how actual age can be misconstrued for apparent age, you went back to YEC.
Just like playing Simon.
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Yeah it was kind of preachy...lol
I tell my 5 daughters I haven't worked a day of my life (I'm a manager/programmer/it guy)
No it was much more than sloganeering - Jesus' whole existence, even before his birth, was related to letting the world know about God.
As you know, there is little to no debate among historians that Jesus was a real person. Though I will say - I don't think the evidence that he existed is overwhelming like some claim.
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Just to clarify... you are:
A YECer, a Last Thursdayist, and a simulationist, all wrapped up in one.
Or as you like to describe yourself... you're an embedded ager... but any of the above shoes will fit.
I fail to see where you demonstrated that any of these are wrong... to anyone but yourself. As of now, you're still all of the above, and sadly oblivious to the fact. But that's okay, NPCs don't need to be rational.
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well that explains it.
we know now about your god, but many of us just don't care. why do you not stick to the topic?
It is the most parsimonious explanation for the religion that they ended up worshiping a real man, but that doesn't mean there is anything like direct evidence of his life.
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Uh-huh.
Is that why you made that doosey of a comment, in spite of what Wikipedia says?
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So tell me - you at a Christian forum - tell me why? To disprove the Bible?
This was an interesting statement from AI:
Their are Two Types of Age: To resolve this, philosophers split the concept of "age" into two distinct categories:
Chronological Age: The actual amount of time that has passed since an entity came into existence (which would be zero).
Biological Age: The physical condition, maturity, and developmental state of the organism (which would look like an adult).
Many try to use science to disprove the earth was created 6000 years ago...however what I see is science trying to use a Biological Age to dispove a Chronological Age, and that is not possible. I generally don't have an issue with scienctific theories - aside from C14 that is so bad that I call it science fiction...but I don't have an issue with science saying the Biological Age of the Universe is 13 billion - but I'll also say the Chronological Age is 6000. The only way to Create a functioning universe is to create it with age - God using a modelistic approach is how I see it.
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"Just taking" the message of the Bible in a presuppositional, axiomatic way is exactly what doesn't work for me. I've always been an Evidentialist, so you'll just have to make room for those of us who do need evidence and rational explanations to get us out of our existential ruts.
This is why I'm not a YEC or '6,000 year believer,' and I never have been. But I know, epistemologically, where faith in Christ and belief in the contents of the Bible are center stage, it's different strokes for different folks, and it is what it is.
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* cough *
1. the Bible
2. time divided into BC & AD
3. organizations such as the Red Cross and Salvation Army
4. hospitals built by Christian organizations
5. Christian artwork, edifices, statuary, and literature
6. IN GOD WE TRUST on our coins
7. UNDER GOD in our pledge of allegiance
8. the Ten Commandments and other literature displayed in public
9. Christmas & Easter
10. symbols on bumper stickers and flags
11. public debates in the name of Christianity
12. crosses and billboards erected to testify of Jesus Christ
13. two major nations founded on His existence
14. martyrs
15. Christians & Jews
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When I said that I'm an Evidentialist and have the sort of psychology that "needs evidence," that doesn't mean I don't already have evidence or that I was placing an order for a Big Mac and some fries.
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When I said that I'm an Evidentialist and have the sort of psychology that "needs evidence," that doesn't mean I don't already have evidence or that I was placing an order for a Big Mac and some fries.
Thanks for the clarification.
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I use Historical age, the Yellowstone Hotspot for instance as the North America Plate moved across it. Or the Hawaii Hotspot and the 3,900 mile long volcanic Hawaiian-Emperor seamount chain.
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