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Are Freewill & Predestination Compatible?

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As I understand the concept, Yahweh created this Time/Space Continuum and that places Him outside our Timeline in order to create the Universe. In Isa 46:10 we learn that He knows the end from the beginning.

In Gal 5:13 we learn thar we, the Created Beings have self determination. Does Yahweh's Predetermination come in conflict with our Free Will? Actually, no!

Metaphores never work perfectly but consider a 4 hour saga on film and the public has never seen, even the clips yet. Even the actors are not certain
of the content because they were not present for the editing and composition.

The editor, creator of the product, knows the beginning from the end, and he directed, not a single frame of his work.

I can not explain the mechanism Yahweh used, some six thousand years ago to create us and all that we see... I might find time to ask Him when I go Home, I'll have time to listen then.

But the short of it all is, God knew that a young Atheist would find his friend blown to pieces in the middle of the night and having no one to curse he would curse the being he did not believe in and hearing that God speak to his spiritual heart and wet upon a 23 year search for the identity of God.

Did God force me to change and seekusand after Him, no. Did He know six thousand years or so ago that I would do so, yes. Can I explain this... nope but, by faith I accept it.
 

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As I understand the concept, Yahweh created this Time/Space Continuum and that places Him outside our Timeline in order to create the Universe. In Isa 46:10 we learn that He knows the end from the beginning.

In Gal 5:13 we learn thar we, the Created Beings have self determination. Does Yahweh's Predetermination come in conflict with our Free Will? Actually, no!

Metaphores never work perfectly but consider a 4 hour saga on film and the public has never seen, even the clips yet. Even the actors are not certain
of the content because they were not present for the editing and composition.

The editor, creator of the product, knows the beginning from the end, and he directed, not a single frame of his work.

I can not explain the mechanism Yahweh used, some six thousand years ago to create us and all that we see... I might find time to ask Him when I go Home, I'll have time to listen then.

But the short of it all is, God knew that a young Atheist would find his friend blown to pieces in the middle of the night and having no one to curse he would curse the being he did not believe in and hearing that God speak to his spiritual heart and wet upon a 23 year search for the identity of God.

Did God force me to change and seekusand after Him, no. Did He know six thousand years or so ago that I would do so, yes. Can I explain this... nope but, by faith I accept it.
It is not compatible when considering "double predestination " , that all are not created on equal terms, but some are preordained to eternal life, others to eternal damnation.
When speaking of predestination and its compatibility with free will, we should consider Paul’s use of "foreknowledge".
This aligns best when comparing scripture with scripture and his semantic foundation.

"For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son."

Be blessed.
 
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It is not compatible when considering "double predestination " , that all are not created on equal terms, but some are preordained to eternal life, others to eternal damnation.
When speaking of predestination and its compatibility with free will, we should consider Paul’s use of "foreknowledge".
This aligns best when comparing scripture with scripture and his semantic foundation.

"For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son."

Be blessed.
I had hoped that the double predestination would be avoided because Yehovah God must be cruel and caprecious if that is true and, He is not. The only thing double predestination is good for is for causing a barroom brawl. I quit drinking, entertaining, snorting drugs,,, chasing women and brawling in the parking lot the day I took Yashuah for my Lord. So, I regret telling you this but in this string I refuse to fight over the known good nature o fYehovah. I love Him because He loved me when I was unlovable.


Shalom
 
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I had hoped that the double predestination would be avoided because Yehovah God must be cruel and caprecious if that is true and, He is not. The only thing double predestination is good for is for causing a barroom brawl. I quit drinking, entertaining, snorting drugs,,, chasing women and brawling in the parking lot the day I took Yashuah for my Lord. So, I regret telling you this but in this string I refuse to fight over the known good nature o fYehovah. I love Him because He loved me when I was unlovable.


Shalom
Curious how you can address one without the other. That's fine.
Be blessed.
 
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I think a combination of the two is the most reasonable answer. We have varying degrees of freedom depending on context. As long as true randomness exists, an idea supported by quantum mechanics, determinism is false. And as our freedom has limits our will isn't entirely free. We can choose, but some choices will face more resistance than others.

Freewill and predestination are only black and white if we define them as such. Philosophical abstractions that exist apart from base reality.
 
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