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I'm theologically quite far removed from E.O., so I was surprised to find myself agreeing with so much of your post. The heart matters more than the head...Thank you, sir, for a very thoughtful reply to my reply; it is such a relief to find someone willing to engage in genuine dialogue with interesting and edifying responses! I suspect you and I will enjoy a great friendship on CF.com and will enjoy exploring many interesting subjects! For my part I agree with most of your reply.
As a translation of Theosis, what about "becoming godly (or Christlike) by grace"?In defense of Wesley, Theosis is a very difficult word to translate, and I can’t think of any way of translating it that doesn’t risk pride, which is why catechism is so essential. (although I would note there are many holier-than-thou ostensible Christians in denominations which do not believe in Theosis but reject the idea altogether; in any case where we talk about deliverance from sin there will be those who regard this as something to boast of rather than somethingt to receive with humble gratitude. Now regarding the difficulties of the translation specifically, here is a very deep dive: Theosis is a complete movement towards holiness, facilitated through cooperation with the grace of the Holy Spirit; it is not something we do ourselves and can boast of. Thus, “entire sanctification” is an easy to understand translation of the concept; the word Theosis could literally be translated as “deification” but this causes a more extreme confusion, since we Orthodox do not believe that Theosis makes one part of the uncreated and omnipotent Godhood, joining the Holy Trinity (that would be apotheosis). Rather we believe that by faith, through cooperation with the Holy SPirit, if we receive the sacraments and struggle against the passions, the Holy Spirit will help us, over time, to become by grace what Christ is by nature, that is to say, inheriting eternal life and being free from all sin. Theosis does not translate well into English because there is only one extant word with a roughly similar meaning, deification, which more accurately translates to apotheosis, which refers to a human becoming a deity without qualification - which Roman Pagans believed happend to Julius Caesar, Caesar Augustus and certain other Roman heroes (Scipio Africanus comes to mind, and Trajan “the Optimate”). Likewise, the Pagan Greeks believed this regarding Alexander the Great, among others, and the Egyptians had the idea regarding Pharoah. Fr. Andrew Stephen Damick, an Orthodox priest, argued in Orthodoxy and Heterodoxy that the insight of the ancient Egyptians that there could be a God-man or theanthropos was correct, in that God became incarnate with the birth of Jesus Christ, but the identification was incorrect - in otherwords, the idea being that apotheosis existed as a cultural concept due to the expectation that God would come in the flesh, which we also see in the ancient Jewish beliefs concerning the Messiah, specifically where St. Isaiah the Prophet described how a virgin would conceive (not a young woman, as Rabinnical Jews argue) who would be called Emanuel, which means “God with us,” which has been reinterpretad by Reform Judaism akong with the idea of the Messiah as referring to the Jewish people collectively, an idea rejected by the Conservative and Orthodox branches of Rabinnical Judaism and by the Karaite Jews.
Sanctification carries a somewhat different nuance from becoming Christlike, although that would certainly be an effect of it. Being set apart for God focuses more on a positional aspect than a state of being. (I hope this comes across well, because I'm finding it quite hard to put into words what I grasp intuitively.)At any rate, there does exist a problem conveying the idea of Theosis into English, or even translating what St. Athanasius wrote in “On the Incarnation”, that God became man so that man could become god, becoming by grace what Christ is by nature, without some people becoming distressed over a perceived but incorrect implication that this means receiving divine omnipotence and other powers reserved to the Holy Trinity or becoming entirely perfect, or worthy of actual worship (which is not acceptable in the case of someone who has been “godified” to use one very clunky translation of Theosis, or “entirely sanctified to use Wesley’s much better translation, since the glorified man is still a creature and remains subordinate to Ood the Father, Son and Holy Ghost, and thus it is improper to offer worship or adoration to a human. Veneration is allowed in Orthodoxy, but to be clear, veneration is understood as being the same love we show to our living relatives; it is not meant to be adoration or worship, which is idolatry whether the person is alive or dead, entirely sanctified or entirely reprobate.
Why do E.O.s (and R.C.s for that matter) focus so much on the E.C.F.s? I agree that there is value in what Christians have taught (including what you've posted above), throughout the ages, but I focus far more on the Bible directly.On this point, I agree with you entirely. The Orthodox do not believe it is a sudden experience, but that Theosis takes time, and is destroyed by pride, and the Orthodox faith stresses humility, and warns of the danger of becoming proud even of one’s own humiliation, which sounds like a paradox but is actually a real danger. Every Orthodox, and every pre-schism (pre-Scholastic Roman Catholic) Patristic text on mystical theology, asceticism and theosis, warns of this, including The Ladder of Divine Ascent, and stresses the need for humility, and we even have an icon in Orthodoxy called “Extreme humility” showing Christ descending into the tomb, and the prayer of St. Ephraim the Syrian:
O Lord and Master of my life, take from me the spirit of sloth, despair, lust of power, and idle talk.
But give rather the spirit of chastity, humility, patience, and love to Thy servant.
Yea, O Lord and King, grant me to see my own transgressions, and not to judge my brother, for blessed art Thou, unto ages of ages. Amen.
Prayers such as these have the effect of making most Orthodox Christians fearful of pride. In the case of Roman Catholicism, in all fairness to them, they also continued to emphasize humility after the schism, indeed, St. Francis of Assisi engaged in elaborate displays of repentance and humiliation (on the other hand, his declaration before death that he had confessed all sins and repented of all sins is not familiar to the experience of Orthodox Christians; while we are not by any means denying his salvation, Eastern and Oriental Orthodox Christians are instead taught about Abba Sisoes, a Coptic Christian and one of the Desert Fathers, who, on his death bed, was observed by the other brethren to be praying. When asked what he was praying for, he declared “I am asking for more time to repent,” to which he was told, “Surely, you have no need to repent, you are holy,” to which Abba Sisoes said “Surely I have not even begun to repent!” Then his eyes lit up and he declared “My savior has arrived!” and reposed. Thus, this is exemplary for the Orthodox.
It's possible that later Wesleyans, et al, brought in the instantaneous aspect (I don't know).Now, regarding John Wesley, regarding his case, in his defense, it doesn’t seem to me like he regarded entire sanctification as an instant process, but later Methodists, Wesleyans and Holiness movement people did regard it as instantaneous. I believe the confusion stems from his experience in a Moravian chapel in Aldgate in the City of London, where, while listening to a homily on St. Paul’s letter to the Romans, Wesley felt a great sense of forgiveness and peace. However, that appears to have been a moment of deliverance from dangerous despair over salvation, rather than the attainment of sanctification in its entirety, which, to my knowledge, John Wesley did not claim to have received during his life (if he did make such a claim I would say he was in prelest).
I have some serious disagreements with the Wesleys, on a few issues; but, I do like several of Charles Wesley's hymns.John Wesley was very doctrinally careful, and indeed edited the hymns written by his brother Charles to ensure their doctrinal correctness, so I would be unpleasantly surprised if he declared himself to have experienced complete sanctification in one pass.
I'm not liturgical at all, which is not to say that I disagree with all the content (much of it is very good); but, I believe that it's important to be flexible in services, so as not to replace life with form.I would also note that the liturgical Methodism Wesley was advocating would have produced results similar to Eastern Orthodoxy, since the Book of Common Prayer also stresses the importance of humility to a great extent, and John Wesley strongly favored its use. And Wesley’s version of the Book of Common Prayer preserves this extreme focus on humility and what Wesley called “rational piety”, for instance, in the Congregational Confession from Morning and Evening Prayer:
A general Confession, to be said by the whole Congregation, after the Minister, all kneeling.
Almighty and most merciful Father, We have erred and strayed from thy ways like lost sheep. We have followed too much the devices and desires of our own hearts. We have offended against thy holy laws. We have left undone those things which we ought to have done; And we have done those things which we ought not to have done; And there is no health in us. But thou, O Lord, have mercy upon us, miserable offenders. Spare thou them, O God, which confess their faults. Restore thou them that are penitent; According to thy promises declared unto mankind in Christ Jesus our Lord. And grant, O most merciful Father, for his sake, That we may hereafter live a godly, righteous, and sober life; To the glory of thy holy Name. Amen.
Then the Minister shall say,
O Lord, we beseech thee, absolve thy people from their offences; that, through thy bountiful goodness, we may be delivered from the bands of those sins, which by our frailty we have committed. Grant this, O heavenly Father, for Jesus Christ’s sake, our blessed Lord and Saviour.
The only difference between this and the 1662 Anglican BCP is that the 1662 BCP (and Episcopalian BCPs) have different versions of the prayer of absolution depending on whether the minister is a bishop or presbyer, like Wesley, or whether they were a lay minister or deacon, since Anglican doctrine is that bishops and presbyers are responsible for pronouncing absolution over sinners who confess such as with the aforementioned prayer as per Matthew 16:18, whereas I believe Wesley did not regard ordination as a prerequisite for pronouncing absolution, one of the few respects which differs him from high church Anglicans and Anglo Catholics - he is ultra high church in some respects, such as wanting congregations to partake of the Eucharist weekly, and very low church in other respects, such as not regarding ordination as necessary for this (he did regard it as necessary however for the celebration of Holy Communion).
At any rate, if the Holiness Churches were using the liturgy Wesley intended, along with fasting on Wednesdays and Fridays and on those days praying the Great Litany from Wesley’s recension of the Book of Common Prayer, which like the Anglican version, is extremely penitential*, I would argue that the pride you correctly warn about and the idea of theosis as an instant process would have been avoided.
* I would post it here except it is called “great” for a reason, even with the abbreviations Wesley made it would still be a 15 minute office if said in a normal speaking voice while the congregation knelt - if chanted in the form of procession as is often done, particularly by high church Anglicans, it would take much longer.
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