How does the idea that most of Gods creation he will have to burn forever bring glory to God?

Jeff Saunders · May 24, 2026

David Lamb said:
No, I don't believe that somebody whom God loves can be separated from God's love. It seems to me that you believe in universalism - the notion that everybody will be saved whether or not they believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. You quoted that well-known verse, John 3:16, which says that everyone who believes in Jesus Christ should not perish but have everlasting life. Further on in the same chapter we are told:

(Joh 3:18) "He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Let me try this again I made a mistake on my last answer to this.
I believe that the only way to the Father in through Jesus. The difference is that I believe like the early church that you can bend the knee and confess Jesus is Lord even after the mortal body is dead. Jesus saves us not our mortal body, death is the consequence of sin and all sin, no place does Scripture say the sin is eternal torture.
Because Jesus saves our true self not our body, God is not limited by time, remember Scripture tells us Jesus seeks the lost sheep until they are found, he doesn't give up, he paid too high a price to be cheated out of what he paid for.
Scripture is very clear that every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus is Lord ( Isaiah 45:23/Rom 14:11 and Phil 2:10-11) Phil 2:10-11 uses the Greek word for confess- exomologeo- which means to acknowledge openly and joyfully, to celebrate, to give praise to without reservations. This is not a forced confession by a boot on the neck, not that God would except that anyway, but it is the same thing that all must do to be part of the Kingdome. Scripture says this three times, why do you not believe?
1 Cor 15:28 God will be all in all- notice it does not say all in some, but all in all. Again why do you not believe this.
1 Tim 4:9-11 Because we trust in the living God, who is the savior of all men, especially of those who believe. Do you believe this?
If you believe that God can only save someone while in the mortal body then many Scriptures would be false, these above and many others.
Gods creation of humanity is too precious to him to lose it either from the enemy or our lack of understanding.
This was the teaching of the early church especially in the east that was Greek speaking.
I think it would be good for you to study what Christian Universal Restoration teaches and why before you make claims as you did, you have shown your ignorance about what was taught in the early Greek church.

Neogaia777 · May 24, 2026

Jeff Saunders said:
Let me try this again I made a mistake on my last answer to this.
I believe that the only way to the Father in through Jesus. The difference is that I believe like the early church that you can bend the knee and confess Jesus is Lord even after the mortal body is dead. Jesus saves us not our mortal body, death is the consequence of sin and all sin, no place does Scripture say the sin is eternal torture.
Because Jesus saves our true self not our body, God is not limited by time, remember Scripture tells us Jesus seeks the lost sheep until they are found, he doesn't give up, he paid too high a price to be cheated out of what he paid for.
Scripture is very clear that every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus is Lord ( Isaiah 45:23/Rom 14:11 and Phil 2:10-11) Phil 2:10-11 uses the Greek word for confess- exomologeo- which means to acknowledge openly and joyfully, to celebrate, to give praise to without reservations. This is not a forced confession by a boot on the neck, not that God would except that anyway, but it is the same thing that all must do to be part of the Kingdome. Scripture says this three times, why do you not believe?
1 Cor 15:28 God will be all in all- notice it does not say all in some, but all in all. Again why do you not believe this.
1 Tim 4:9-11 Because we trust in the living God, who is the savior of all men, especially of those who believe. Do you believe this?
If you believe that God can only save someone while in the mortal body then many Scriptures would be false, these above and many others.
Gods creation of humanity is too precious to him to lose it either from the enemy or our lack of understanding.
This was the teaching of the early church especially in the east that was Greek speaking.
I think it would be good for you to study what Christian Universal Restoration teaches and why before you make claims as you did, you have shown your ignorance about what was taught in the early Greek church.

Hades is not eternal (but the LoF afterwards is) which makes you have to question why it was made, and why some people go there? I say it's God business though, and leave it at that. We'll find out at the very end.

God Bless.

Jeff Saunders · May 24, 2026

Neogaia777 said:
Hades is not eternal (but the LoF afterwards is) which makes you have to question why it was made, and why some people go there? I say it's God business though, and leave it at that. We'll find out at the very end.

God Bless.

Could you please show me from Scripture, using the original Greek and the original meaning of the words from the Greek of 2000 years ago, that says the lake of fire is aidios, the Greek word for eternal.

David Lamb · May 25, 2026

Jeff Saunders said:
Let me try this again I made a mistake on my last answer to this.
I believe that the only way to the Father in through Jesus. The difference is that I believe like the early church that you can bend the knee and confess Jesus is Lord even after the mortal body is dead. Jesus saves us not our mortal body, death is the consequence of sin and all sin, no place does Scripture say the sin is eternal torture.
Because Jesus saves our true self not our body, God is not limited by time, remember Scripture tells us Jesus seeks the lost sheep until they are found, he doesn't give up, he paid too high a price to be cheated out of what he paid for.
Scripture is very clear that every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus is Lord ( Isaiah 45:23/Rom 14:11 and Phil 2:10-11) Phil 2:10-11 uses the Greek word for confess- exomologeo- which means to acknowledge openly and joyfully, to celebrate, to give praise to without reservations. This is not a forced confession by a boot on the neck, not that God would except that anyway, but it is the same thing that all must do to be part of the Kingdome. Scripture says this three times, why do you not believe?
1 Cor 15:28 God will be all in all- notice it does not say all in some, but all in all. Again why do you not believe this.
1 Tim 4:9-11 Because we trust in the living God, who is the savior of all men, especially of those who believe. Do you believe this?
If you believe that God can only save someone while in the mortal body then many Scriptures would be false, these above and many others.
Gods creation of humanity is too precious to him to lose it either from the enemy or our lack of understanding.
This was the teaching of the early church especially in the east that was Greek speaking.
I think it would be good for you to study what Christian Universal Restoration teaches and why before you make claims as you did, you have shown your ignorance about what was taught in the early Greek church.

Thank you so much for taking the time and trouble to reply again. I do appreciate it, even though I don't agree that unsaved sinners can be saved after the mortal body is dead.. When I look at the New Testament, I see the gospel being preached with urgency. Why would this urgency be needed, and why did Paul and others go through such trials for the sake of preaching the gospel, if people who aren't saved before death will get the opportunity to do so afterwards? (But I'll stop there, as my main point was to thank you, and I don't want to detract from that.)

Neogaia777 · May 25, 2026

Jeff Saunders said:
Could you please show me from Scripture, using the original Greek and the original meaning of the words from the Greek of 2000 years ago, that says the lake of fire is aidios, the Greek word for eternal.

Nah, you guys can have it, I was just trying to help a catholic out. Been over the other particular ground your talking about way too many times already. Nothing changes, cause people are stuck in their ways. Also trying to link you a guy who is much more knowledgeable than me about that, to see if he wants to argue with you about it endlessly again, but he might not be here anymore, so...? Anyway, there it is. I'm not up for arguing about it right now, sorry.

God Bless.

Jeff Saunders · May 25, 2026

Neogaia777 said:
Nah, you guys can have it, I was just trying to help a catholic out. Been over the other particular ground your talking about way too many times already. Nothing changes, cause people are stuck in their ways. Also trying to link you a guy who is much more knowledgeable than me about that, to see if he wants to argue with you about it endlessly again, but he might not be here anymore, so...? Anyway, there it is. I'm not up for arguing about it right now, sorry.

God Bless.

Tradition is hard to break from, but that's ok the Father / Holy Spirit are great at even using our traditions that are wrong, they will get what they want and that is apokatastasis.

Jeff Saunders · May 25, 2026

David Lamb said:
Thank you so much for taking the time and trouble to reply again. I do appreciate it, even though I don't agree that unsaved sinners can be saved after the mortal body is dead.. When I look at the New Testament, I see the gospel being preached with urgency. Why would this urgency be needed, and why did Paul and others go through such trials for the sake of preaching the gospel, if people who aren't saved before death will get the opportunity to do so afterwards? (But I'll stop there, as my main point was to thank you, and I don't want to detract from that.)

I believe that the urgency, that the early church felt, is because they understood the Fathers heart better than we do, the idea that Jesus conquered death and it is a gift of God not something they have to earn, or work hard at to attain, was such good news that it had to be shared.
The Jews missed God when He stood in their midst, because Jesus did not fit their idea of who the messiah was to be, the Gentiles missed God because the idea that a God would sacrifice himself for his creation and take their mess into himself and as 2 Cor 5:19 says " in Christ God was reconciling the cosmos to himself, not counting peoples trespasses against them, and he has given us the message of reconciliation" , no god that they had ever heard of would do that, sure god will save those who follow and are obedient, but to take the punishment for people on himself, that was totally absurd.
Also when you have had a encounter with the Father, and share in the heart of Jesus, you love as he does, and that love compels us to get as many people into the kingdom now and spare them the loss of the inheritance, and the lake of fire, because when you love with the heart of Jesus, you do not want to see anyone have to go through that, but its not eternal, Jesus paid too high a price and he will not be cheated, he will get 100% of what he paid for.

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