NewLifeInChristJesus
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This is convoluted. You don't think people have eternal life in the here and now because they sin (you said, "Because after all that I know that I still sin!-and that everyone else does as well-which reveals some level of distance from, not nearness to, God, to life-as both John and Paul MAKE CLEAR"). But you think etrnal life begins in the here and now because "we've now entered solidarity/alginment with Him and His perfect will". And this is marked by solidarity/alignment/union with God which is the opposite of Adam eating a piece of forbidden fruit in disobedience/faithlessness/disunion and created alienation.Eternal life begins in the here and now. Salvation is all about nearness to God. As we turn to Him in faith we are saved because we've now entered solidarity/alginment with Him and His perfect will; that's why Abraham was declared to be just; his faith was the opposite of Adam's lack of faith in God resulting in disobedience that meant alienation, disunion, from God. Justification is more than a legal or forensic matter of aquittal, IOW.
So that union is the purpose of faith; that's how faith saves. Jesus came to give us that faith, to reveal a God worth believing in-and so be reconciled with Him. And intrinsic to that nearness to God is righteousness, the triumph over and abandoment of sin and production of good fruit in general. While God is patient in our drawing near to Him, in our being perfected in love, if I'm sinning gravely I've already departed from Him, and therefore from salvation, from Life; I've died again; Adam's way has won out until and unless I truly have a change of heart and repent and confess all over again. While translation from death to life occurs now, in this life, ultimately God gives us His definitive verdict at the end of our lives.As I've stated before, "At the evening of life we shall be judged on our love." Salvation is thus worked out with Him during this life.
This is a red herring, a false flag, and a disinformation operation. It's a red herring because it falsely equates faith in Christ with wanting to persist in sin. It's a false flag because it only points to grave sins as being bad. It's disinformation because the gospel is not movement towards the love that overcomes sin.If a person believes they can persist in grave sin because of the high price Jesus paid for sin- with no movement necessary in themselves towards the love that overcomes sin-then they've greatly misunderstood the gospel.
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