how creation and evolution can work together seamlessly

drich0150 · May 20, 2026

Before Day 1 of genesis as in Genesis 1:1 it says: "In the Beginning, God created the Heavens and the earth." Let take a moment and look at 'in the beginning.' This term is describing a time before day 1's terraformation of the earth. Meaning "In the Beginning" describes a time before Day 1..

So, in the beginning 'God created the universe/cosmos. apparently this could have happened with a 'Big Bang.' It doesn't really matter. Then say 100 bazillion years could have passed. after the Big Bang Or whatever God used to create everything. Then let's say God decides to take the earth who at this point has no form and is void of everything and start the terraformation process.(Where God preps and plants seeds/the organs of life.)

This terraformation process only takes 7 days. At some point in that terra formation after dry land but before plants on Day 3 (According to gen 2:4) of that process God creates 1 man and a 'garden' paradise which is reflective of how He wants the rest of the world to eventually look; and keeps Adam safe in this garden while the rest of the world evolves around him.

This means Adam could have been placed in the garden on the 3 day of creation and been in the garden a day, week month year or a 100 bazillion years. We only know creation/terraforming the Earth only took 7 days. This 7 days could have happened 100's of trillions of years ago or it could have been 6000 years ago. The reason for this wide margin is because nothing in the Bible tell us how long ago it was. So to recap let's say 200 bazillion (Whatever science says is needed for the universe to unfold) God says: "Let their be the Heavens(Cosmos) and in that cosmos the earth." (Like gen 1:1 says)

And, it takes 100 bazillion years to unfold. (Because again this is happening prior to day 1. This is all taking place "In the Beginning, which Day one is not..)So after this 100 balloon year In the beginning creation of the cosmos and the earth; God says "Let their be light," and for the first time ever sunlight came into focus well enough to Pearce the "waters Above" (Super thick cloud cover) for the first time ever.

Then 2, 24 hour days later; God starts creation process of Adam and the Garden, per gen 2:4. Then 4 days after that, He is finished the terra formation of the whole world, and rests. Then another 100 bazillion years could have gone by, while Adam and Eve are rocking out in the Garden with God. as there is no time line between the last day of creation and the fall, (The fall being When Adam and Eve eat the forbidden fruit and are kicked out of the garden.) Those two could have been in the garden indefinitely. Because before their initial sin, there was no death according to the apostle Paul, in romans 5: 12-21

We know this fall from the Garden happened about 6000 years ago because We can count back from Jesus to Adam which is about 4000 years because the jews kept records that went that far back. plus 2000 years from Jesus to us. Adam and Eve did not have children in the garden, but shortly after they where exiled. This is where the genealogies pick up, and YEC's assume the world is only 6000 years old, because they do the math in the genealogies and count back to Adam's son's births, which count back 6000 years ago from now to Jesus and 4000 from Jesus to Adam. The assumption comes from the idea that Adam and Eve only lived in the garden a few days/weeks. In truth all of evolution could have happened from the end of Genesis chapter 1 and the events of Genesis chapter 3. As Adam and Eve where immortal in the garden till the day the touched the fruit.

What about Adam's 930 years? Adam's 930 years is the time He spent outside of the Garden. How do I know? Because God did not lie when He said "for the day you touch this fruit you will surely die. So no matter how you interpret Adam's death on that day, Because god is not a liar, whatever form Adam took in the garden died and He assent out of the garden a different man.

David Lamb · May 21, 2026

drich0150 said:
Before Day 1 of genesis as in Genesis 1:1 it says: "In the Beginning, God created the Heavens and the earth." Let take a moment and look at 'in the beginning.' This term is describing a time before day 1's terraformation of the earth. Meaning "In the Beginning" describes a time before Day 1..

So, in the beginning 'God created the universe/cosmos. apparently this could have happened with a 'Big Bang.' It doesn't really matter. Then say 100 bazillion years could have passed. after the Big Bang Or whatever God used to create everything. Then let's say God decides to take the earth who at this point has no form and is void of everything and start the terraformation process.(Where God preps and plants seeds/the organs of life.)

This terraformation process only takes 7 days. At some point in that terra formation after dry land but before plants on Day 3 (According to gen 2:4) of that process God creates 1 man and a 'garden' paradise which is reflective of how He wants the rest of the world to eventually look; and keeps Adam safe in this garden while the rest of the world evolves around him.

This means Adam could have been placed in the garden on the 3 day of creation and been in the garden a day, week month year or a 100 bazillion years. We only know creation/terraforming the Earth only took 7 days. This 7 days could have happened 100's of trillions of years ago or it could have been 6000 years ago. The reason for this wide margin is because nothing in the Bible tell us how long ago it was. So to recap let's say 200 bazillion (Whatever science says is needed for the universe to unfold) God says: "Let their be the Heavens(Cosmos) and in that cosmos the earth." (Like gen 1:1 says)

And, it takes 100 bazillion years to unfold. (Because again this is happening prior to day 1. This is all taking place "In the Beginning, which Day one is not..)So after this 100 balloon year In the beginning creation of the cosmos and the earth; God says "Let their be light," and for the first time ever sunlight came into focus well enough to Pearce the "waters Above" (Super thick cloud cover) for the first time ever.

Then 2, 24 hour days later; God starts creation process of Adam and the Garden, per gen 2:4. Then 4 days after that, He is finished the terra formation of the whole world, and rests. Then another 100 bazillion years could have gone by, while Adam and Eve are rocking out in the Garden with God. as there is no time line between the last day of creation and the fall, (The fall being When Adam and Eve eat the forbidden fruit and are kicked out of the garden.) Those two could have been in the garden indefinitely. Because before their initial sin, there was no death according to the apostle Paul, in romans 5: 12-21

We know this fall from the Garden happened about 6000 years ago because We can count back from Jesus to Adam which is about 4000 years because the jews kept records that went that far back. plus 2000 years from Jesus to us. Adam and Eve did not have children in the garden, but shortly after they where exiled. This is where the genealogies pick up, and YEC's assume the world is only 6000 years old, because they do the math in the genealogies and count back to Adam's son's births, which count back 6000 years ago from now to Jesus and 4000 from Jesus to Adam. The assumption comes from the idea that Adam and Eve only lived in the garden a few days/weeks. In truth all of evolution could have happened from the end of Genesis chapter 1 and the events of Genesis chapter 3. As Adam and Eve where immortal in the garden till the day the touched the fruit.

What about Adam's 930 years? Adam's 930 years is the time He spent outside of the Garden. How do I know? Because God did not lie when He said "for the day you touch this fruit you will surely die. So no matter how you interpret Adam's death on that day, Because god is not a liar, whatever form Adam took in the garden died and He assent out of the garden a different man.

It seems to involve a huge assumption on your part that what is recorded in Genesis 1:1 is not part of what happened on Day 1. Here it is in its context:

(Gen 1:1) In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
(Gen 1:2) The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.
(Gen 1:3) Then God said, "Let there be light"; and there was light.
(Gen 1:4) And God saw the light, that it was good; and God divided the light from the darkness.
(Gen 1:5) God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. So the evening and the morning were the first day.

You have to assume a gap either between verses 1 and 2, or between verses 2 and 3.

drich0150 · May 21, 2026

David Lamb said:
It seems to involve a huge assumption on your part that what is recorded in Genesis 1:1 is not part of what happened on Day 1. Here it is in its context:

(Gen 1:1) In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
(Gen 1:2) The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.
(Gen 1:3) Then God said, "Let there be light"; and there was light.
(Gen 1:4) And God saw the light, that it was good; and God divided the light from the darkness.
(Gen 1:5) God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. So the evening and the morning were the first day.

You have to assume a gap either between verses 1 and 2, or between verses 2 and 3.

Or perhaps it's more accurate to say that you have to assume there is no gap. I say that to say the only reason you would have to persume my presumption is because you assume the traditional interpretation (no gap) is correct. What we must do to keep scripture 'pure' is to learn to separate scriptural interpretation from what scripture actually says. This if anything was the biggest fault of the pharisees. For they not only knew scripture, they also knew and kept holy over 1000 years of biblical interpretation, and held it in the same regard as God's word. Meaning there was no difference between the command to keep sabbath Holy, and all of the many rules they came up with to observe this day in an acceptable way.

So, What I am actually doing here is not assuming anything in one way or another but rather pointing out the lack of a time line between "In the Beginning" and "Let there be light." The traditional interpretation may be correct, but at the same time this 'gap theory' may also be correct. What's more 'gap theory' does support current scientific understanding of the order of 'creation.' And because there is no time line here, we should not automatically assume one.

What this does is allow young people the freedom to accept science as their schooling/education demands, and at the same time maintain a literal 7 day creation.

David Lamb · May 21, 2026

drich0150 said:
Or perhaps it's more accurate to say that you have to assume there is no gap. I say that to say the only reason you would have to persume my presumption is because you assume the traditional interpretation (no gap) is correct. What we must do to keep scripture 'pure' is to learn to separate scriptural interpretation from what scripture actually says. This if anything was the biggest fault of the pharisees. Fore they not only knew scripture, they also knew and kept holy over 1000 years of biblical interpretation, and held it in the same regard as God's word. Meaning there was no difference between the command to keep sabbath Holy, and all of the many rules they came up with to observe this day in an acceptable way.

So, What I am actually doing here is not assuming anything in one way or another but rather pointing out the lack of a time line between "In the Beginning" and "Let there be light." The traditional interpretation may be correct, but at the same time this 'gap theory' may also be correct. What's more 'gap theory' does support current scientific understanding of the order of 'creation.'

What this does is allow young people the freedom to accept science as their schooling/education demands, and at the same time maintain a literal 7 day creation.

But as no gap is mentioned in the first few verses of Genesis 1, it must be assumed if you believe there was one. Anyway, thanks for taking the trouble to reply.

drich0150 · May 21, 2026

The natural verbiage of the passage can support a gap or it does not have to. That is my point. It can be interpreted both ways.

Job 33:6 · May 21, 2026

drich0150 said:
Before Day 1 of genesis as in Genesis 1:1 it says: "In the Beginning, God created the Heavens and the earth." Let take a moment and look at 'in the beginning.' This term is describing a time before day 1's terraformation of the earth. Meaning "In the Beginning" describes a time before Day 1..

So, in the beginning 'God created the universe/cosmos. apparently this could have happened with a 'Big Bang.' It doesn't really matter. Then say 100 bazillion years could have passed. after the Big Bang Or whatever God used to create everything. Then let's say God decides to take the earth who at this point has no form and is void of everything and start the terraformation process.(Where God preps and plants seeds/the organs of life.)

This terraformation process only takes 7 days. At some point in that terra formation after dry land but before plants on Day 3 (According to gen 2:4) of that process God creates 1 man and a 'garden' paradise which is reflective of how He wants the rest of the world to eventually look; and keeps Adam safe in this garden while the rest of the world evolves around him.

This means Adam could have been placed in the garden on the 3 day of creation and been in the garden a day, week month year or a 100 bazillion years. We only know creation/terraforming the Earth only took 7 days. This 7 days could have happened 100's of trillions of years ago or it could have been 6000 years ago. The reason for this wide margin is because nothing in the Bible tell us how long ago it was. So to recap let's say 200 bazillion (Whatever science says is needed for the universe to unfold) God says: "Let their be the Heavens(Cosmos) and in that cosmos the earth." (Like gen 1:1 says)

And, it takes 100 bazillion years to unfold. (Because again this is happening prior to day 1. This is all taking place "In the Beginning, which Day one is not..)So after this 100 balloon year In the beginning creation of the cosmos and the earth; God says "Let their be light," and for the first time ever sunlight came into focus well enough to Pearce the "waters Above" (Super thick cloud cover) for the first time ever.

Then 2, 24 hour days later; God starts creation process of Adam and the Garden, per gen 2:4. Then 4 days after that, He is finished the terra formation of the whole world, and rests. Then another 100 bazillion years could have gone by, while Adam and Eve are rocking out in the Garden with God. as there is no time line between the last day of creation and the fall, (The fall being When Adam and Eve eat the forbidden fruit and are kicked out of the garden.) Those two could have been in the garden indefinitely. Because before their initial sin, there was no death according to the apostle Paul, in romans 5: 12-21

We know this fall from the Garden happened about 6000 years ago because We can count back from Jesus to Adam which is about 4000 years because the jews kept records that went that far back. plus 2000 years from Jesus to us. Adam and Eve did not have children in the garden, but shortly after they where exiled. This is where the genealogies pick up, and YEC's assume the world is only 6000 years old, because they do the math in the genealogies and count back to Adam's son's births, which count back 6000 years ago from now to Jesus and 4000 from Jesus to Adam. The assumption comes from the idea that Adam and Eve only lived in the garden a few days/weeks. In truth all of evolution could have happened from the end of Genesis chapter 1 and the events of Genesis chapter 3. As Adam and Eve where immortal in the garden till the day the touched the fruit.

What about Adam's 930 years? Adam's 930 years is the time He spent outside of the Garden. How do I know? Because God did not lie when He said "for the day you touch this fruit you will surely die. So no matter how you interpret Adam's death on that day, Because god is not a liar, whatever form Adam took in the garden died and He assent out of the garden a different man.

You might enjoy the lost world of Adam and Eve:

I prefer the view that Adam and Eve are not in Genesis 1 at all. Because they aren't actually mentioned. And that the humanity on day 6 is referring to humanity more broadly. As in, all people even beyond the garden of Eden.

drich0150 · May 22, 2026

Job 33:6 said:
You might enjoy the lost world of Adam and Eve:

I prefer the view that Adam and Eve are not in Genesis 1 at all. Because they aren't actually mentioned. And that the humanity on day 6 is referring to humanity more broadly. As in, all people even beyond the garden of Eden.

I watched about 2/3s of it. He seems to spend a lot of time explain how Being made from Dust doesn't mean made from Dust. I typically do not like 'special revelations' that go against what the Bible says in order for that revelation to work.

I do touch on the idea that Man Kind was created Day 6, but Adam was created day three after dry land but before plants. (Because it had not rained yet according to gen 2) This would also mean that gen 1 does not mention Adam directly.

Job 33:6 · May 22, 2026

drich0150 said:
I watched about 2/3s of it. He seems to spend a lot of time explain how Being made from Dust doesn't mean made from Dust. I typically do not like 'special revelations' that go against what the Bible says in order for that revelation to work.

Everyone is made of dust in the Bible, but that doesn't mean that we are literally made out of the ground in some instantaneous fashion.

Ecclesiastes 3:20-21 NRSV
[20] All go to one place; all are from the dust, and all turn to dust again. [21] Who knows whether the human spirit goes upward and the spirit of animals goes downward to the earth?

Psalms 103:14 NRSV
[14] For he knows how we were made; he remembers that we are dust.

Genesis 18:27 NRSV
[27] Abraham answered, “Let me take it upon myself to speak to the Lord, I who am but dust and ashes.

Genesis 3:19 NRSV
[19] By the sweat of your face you shall eat bread until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken; you are dust, and to dust you shall return.”

If anything, saying that Adam is created on day 3 is going against what the Bible says, because of course humanity is created on day 6.

drich0150 · May 22, 2026

Job 33:6 said:
Everyone is made of dust in the Bible, but that doesn't mean that we are literally made out of the ground.

If anything, saying that Adam is created on day 3 is going against what the Bible says, because of course humanity is created on day 6.

In Gen 2 starting at verse 4 the author is describing a time in creation after dry land (Day 2) but before Plants as it had not rained yet:

Gen 2:4 This is what happened when the Lord God made the earth and the sky. 5 This was before there were plants on the earth. Nothing was growing in the fields because the Lord God had not yet made it rain on the earth, and there was no one to care for the plants.

So gen 2 (The whole chapter) All takes place between Dry land and plants as it had not rained on the earth yet.. From this point God creates Adam Alone from the dust of the ground, makes him a living soul and places him in the garden.

No other humans/אָדַם ʼâdam, aw-dam' till Day 6.

1. We know Adam (The name of the man Created Day 3) is different from the rest of man Kind because Adam/Day 3 man was created before the rain of Day three, and אָדַם ʼâdam, aw-dam'; (Man Kind) was created Day 6.

2. Day 3 Adam was created alone, and Eve came later. However Man and Woman kind where created together on Day 6 with the command to go fourth and multiply. Where as Adam and Eve did not have children in the garden as they did not see them selves as being naked. They had their children after the exile from the garden

3.Adam was given/made a living soul. day 6 man kind was only made in the image of God. Meaning physical appearance only no spiritual component.

Job 33:6 · May 22, 2026

drich0150 said:
In Gen 2 starting at verse 4 the author is describing a time in creation after dry land (Day 2) but before Plants as it had not rained yet:

That's one of many interpretions. But many could also just say that Genesis 2 is just a continuation of Genesis 1 and that chapter 2 isn't happening at the same time as chapter 1. The land without vegetation being Eden, but not necessarily being representative of all the earth.

-57 · May 22, 2026

drich0150 said:
Before Day 1 of genesis as in Genesis 1:1 it says: "In the Beginning, God created the Heavens and the earth." Let take a moment and look at 'in the beginning.' This term is describing a time before day 1's terraformation of the earth. Meaning "In the Beginning" describes a time before Day 1..

Gen 1:1 says...1 In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. OK. That statement sounds like a opening description...That is God created the heavens and the earth in the beginning..the next verse 2 and onward tells how.

drich0150 said:
So, in the beginning 'God created the universe/cosmos. apparently this could have happened with a 'Big Bang.' It doesn't really matter. Then say 100 bazillion years could have passed. after the Big Bang Or whatever God used to create everything. Then let's say God decides to take the earth who at this point has no form and is void of everything and start the terraformation process.(Where God preps and plants seeds/the organs of life.)

Another problem is the biblical order of creation is different than what the baloney Big Bang theory presents.
The bible says God created the earth prior to the sun, moon and stars.

drich0150 said:
This terraformation process only takes 7 days. At some point in that terra formation after dry land but before plants on Day 3 (According to gen 2:4) of that process God creates 1 man and a 'garden' paradise which is reflective of how He wants the rest of the world to eventually look; and keeps Adam safe in this garden while the rest of the world evolves around him.

The terraformation day you mentioned would have only taken six days....God rested on day 7.
The rest of the world didn't evolve around as the animals were created complete and organized into kinds. No evoism.

drich0150 said:
This means Adam could have been placed in the garden on the 3 day of creation and been in the garden a day, week month year or a 100 bazillion years. We only know creation/terraforming the Earth only took 7 days. This 7 days could have happened 100's of trillions of years ago or it could have been 6000 years ago. The reason for this wide margin is because nothing in the Bible tell us how long ago it was. So to recap let's say 200 bazillion (Whatever science says is needed for the universe to unfold) God says: "Let their be the Heavens(Cosmos) and in that cosmos the earth." (Like gen 1:1 says)

Nah....a day is 24 hour long period of time. Gen mentions "evening and there was morning" which explains a standard day....not...100's of trillions of years.
Secondly the 10 commandments says it took six days and a day of rest....which became a model for man to follow.
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth and the sea and all that is in them, but on the seventh day He rested. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and set it apart as holy.

drich0150 said:
And, it takes 100 bazillion years to unfold. (Because again this is happening prior to day 1. This is all taking place "In the Beginning, which Day one is not..)So after this 100 balloon year In the beginning creation of the cosmos and the earth; God says "Let their be light," and for the first time ever sunlight came into focus well enough to Pearce the "waters Above" (Super thick cloud cover) for the first time ever.

The sun was created on day 4. God said, let there be....not let the light pierce the clouds.

drich0150 said:
Then 2, 24 hour days later; God starts creation process of Adam and the Garden, per gen 2:4. Then 4 days after that, He is finished the terra formation of the whole world, and rests. Then another 100 bazillion years could have gone by, while Adam and Eve are rocking out in the Garden with God. as there is no time line between the last day of creation and the fall, (The fall being When Adam and Eve eat the forbidden fruit and are kicked out of the garden.) Those two could have been in the garden indefinitely. Because before their initial sin, there was no death according to the apostle Paul, in romans 5: 12-21

Soooooooooo, Adam and Eve were told to be fruitful and multiply...hung out in the garden for "100 bazillion years"...and didn't have kids?

drich0150 said:
We know this fall from the Garden happened about 6000 years ago because We can count back from Jesus to Adam which is about 4000 years because the jews kept records that went that far back. plus 2000 years from Jesus to us. Adam and Eve did not have children in the garden, but shortly after they where exiled. This is where the genealogies pick up, and YEC's assume the world is only 6000 years old, because they do the math in the genealogies and count back to Adam's son's births, which count back 6000 years ago from now to Jesus and 4000 from Jesus to Adam. The assumption comes from the idea that Adam and Eve only lived in the garden a few days/weeks. In truth all of evolution could have happened from the end of Genesis chapter 1 and the events of Genesis chapter 3. As Adam and Eve where immortal in the garden till the day the touched the fruit.

There is no reason to assume that Genesis doesn't mean what it says...
How do you explain away the birds before dinosaurs?

drich0150 said:
What about Adam's 930 years? Adam's 930 years is the time He spent outside of the Garden. How do I know? Because God did not lie when He said "for the day you touch this fruit you will surely die. So no matter how you interpret Adam's death on that day, Because god is not a liar, whatever form Adam took in the garden died and He assent out of the garden a different man.

Yes, Adam became a fallen man...but his total life was 930 years.

-57 · May 22, 2026

drich0150 said:
Or perhaps it's more accurate to say that you have to assume there is no gap. I say that to say the only reason you would have to persume my presumption is because you assume the traditional interpretation (no gap) is correct. What we must do to keep scripture 'pure' is to learn to separate scriptural interpretation from what scripture actually says. This if anything was the biggest fault of the pharisees. For they not only knew scripture, they also knew and kept holy over 1000 years of biblical interpretation, and held it in the same regard as God's word. Meaning there was no difference between the command to keep sabbath Holy, and all of the many rules they came up with to observe this day in an acceptable way.

So, What I am actually doing here is not assuming anything in one way or another but rather pointing out the lack of a time line between "In the Beginning" and "Let there be light." The traditional interpretation may be correct, but at the same time this 'gap theory' may also be correct. What's more 'gap theory' does support current scientific understanding of the order of 'creation.' And because there is no time line here, we should not automatically assume one.

What this does is allow young people the freedom to accept science as their schooling/education demands, and at the same time maintain a literal 7 day creation.

That's the reason why they came up with the "gap theory"...to force the bible to accept evolutionism.
What you seemed to do was place all of "evolution" into the six days....where the theo-evo crowd places evolution in the gap.

Where do you stand?

-57 · May 22, 2026

drich0150 said:
I watched about 2/3s of it. He seems to spend a lot of time explain how Being made from Dust doesn't mean made from Dust. I typically do not like 'special revelations' that go against what the Bible says in order for that revelation to work.

I do touch on the idea that Man Kind was created Day 6, but Adam was created day three after dry land but before plants. (Because it had not rained yet according to gen 2) This would also mean that gen 1 does not mention Adam directly.

You do know Gen 2 is a transition from Gen 1 and primarily focus on day 6?
Plants were created on day 3....then another set of plants were created separately on day 6 in the garden of Eden God planted.

-57 · May 22, 2026

drich0150 said:
In Gen 2 starting at verse 4 the author is describing a time in creation after dry land (Day 2) but before Plants as it had not rained yet:

Gen 2:4 This is what happened when the Lord God made the earth and the sky. 5 This was before there were plants on the earth. Nothing was growing in the fields because the Lord God had not yet made it rain on the earth, and there was no one to care for the plants.

So gen 2 (The whole chapter) All takes place between Dry land and plants as it had not rained on the earth yet.. From this point God creates Adam Alone from the dust of the ground, makes him a living soul and places him in the garden.

No other humans/אָדַם ʼâdam, aw-dam' till Day 6.

1. We know Adam (The name of the man Created Day 3) is different from the rest of man Kind because Adam/Day 3 man was created before the rain of Day three, and אָדַם ʼâdam, aw-dam'; (Man Kind) was created Day 6.

2. Day 3 Adam was created alone, and Eve came later. However Man and Woman kind where created together on Day 6 with the command to go fourth and multiply. Where as Adam and Eve did not have children in the garden as they did not see them selves as being naked. They had their children after the exile from the garden

3.Adam was given/made a living soul. day 6 man kind was only made in the image of God. Meaning physical appearance only no spiritual component.

Adam was created on day 6. There was no day 3 creation of man.

drich0150 · May 22, 2026

Job 33:6 said:
That's one of many interpretions. But many could also just say that Genesis 2 is just a continuation of Genesis 1 and that chapter 2 isn't happening at the same time as chapter 1. The land without vegetation being Eden, but not necessarily being representative of all the earth.

Actually you can't say that because 1. it is not consistent with the narrative of Gen 2:4This is what happened when the Lord God made the earth and the sky. 5 This was before there were plants on the earth. Nothing was growing in the fields because the Lord God had not yet made it rain on the earth, and there was no one to care for the plants.

God created the sky on day 2, and the earth was created day 3 Which the passage specifically says this happened before the plants of Day three because it had never rained on the earth for the first time at this point. So no. narratively you can not claim 'land without vegetation was eden only.' as again We are specifically told there where no plants On The Earth, because it had not rain yet On The Earth.

Reason 2 your exegesis will not work is because it is not consistent with how ancient Hebrew people told their stories. The video you posted a couple of posts back explains this process and I have a link to it here explained out in detail: How Hebrew Constructs Narratives | Biblical Hebrew

In short Hebrew people will give a main story or prime time line and then when that outline is established they will pick 2 book end events in that story (After dry land of gen 2 day 2, and before plants of day 3) and fill in details that coinside with the prime time line. For example Gen 1 through gen 2:3 is the 7 day prime time line. (Tells what happens in the 7 days of creation) Then in gen 2:4 forward, is a garden only narrative all happens between dry land and plants.

Your video makes mention of this when talking about Issac and Ismael. Ismael's story is told first to completion and then the narrative goes back to tell the story of Isaac which runs parallel/in the same or prime time line of Ismael. They are not two different stories nor did they happen sequentially. One story was told from start to finish then the author told the other story with the understanding that his audience (If Moses the audience would have been the Hebrew people who just left Egypt with him) simply understood there where not two separate events just like gen 1 and 2 are not two separate events.

drich0150 · May 22, 2026

-57 said:
Gen 1:1 says...1 In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. OK. That statement sounds like a opening description...That is God created the heavens and the earth in the beginning..the next verse 2 and onward tells how.

indeed.

-57 said:
Another problem is the biblical order of creation is different than what the baloney Big Bang theory presents.
The bible says God created the earth prior to the sun, moon and stars.

Actually the Bible does not say this. Your interpretation/The Roman Catholic church's interpretation of creation fails to consider the whole text here.

-57 said:
The terraformation day you mentioned would have only taken six days....

God rested on day 7.

indeed.

-57 said:
The rest of the world didn't evolve around as the animals were created complete and organized into kinds. No evoism.

Must have missed that part. Where does the Bible say that all animals where complete?? I see where God has thing reproduce after it's own kind, but this does not imply in any way that everything was complete. if this where the case then why did eve not get created till some time after creation was complete?

-57 said:
Nah....a day is 24 hour long period of time.

I agree. No where do I say a day is longer than 24 hours.

What I am saying is once the events of gen 2 was complete, that there is no time line placed between genesis chapter 2 and genesis chapter 3.

(the Bible does not say how many "24 hour days" between gen 2 and gen 3.)

Because the Bible does not say how many days between Gen 2 and Gen 3, Adam and Eve could have been in the garden a day week month year of a 100 bazillion years. (Or whatever evolution says it needs to work.)

On the flip side of the coin this argument also supports your YEC pov as well. because there is no time line between the end of gen 2 and the end of gen 3 Adam could have been in the garden for only minutes or whatever you need to believe to maintain your faith.

What you don't seem to understand is I am not trying to destroy your faith or your understanding of creation. at the same time I am pointing out that the genesis creation narrative, need not be interpreted to oppose science either. That the creation narrative can assimilate all of what evolution has to say and not change a word of the written text.

-57 said:
>The sun was created on day 4. God said, let there be....not let the light pierce the clouds.

From the author of genesis, that is clearly the case. but seeings how Gen 1:1 says God created the HEAVENS (Aka Cosmos, which the sun moon and stars is very much apart of.) We know we are dealing with the author's perspective, and not God's. Meaning because God did not write the book of genesis we are dealing with "Moses" Understanding of what God showed Him, in the order He showed these events take place. Moses/The Author of Genesis faithfully recorded what he saw. but this does not mean that Moses understood what He saw the same way we would see/interpret the same event from our current future perspective.

God created the cosmos/Heavens in Gen 1:1. That's billions of sun moons and stars potentially hundreds of billions of years ago. then on day three of the terraformation of the Earth it rained for the very first time ever on the planet.

So what do you need for rain to happen planet wide for the very first time ever? You need clouds. Lots and lots of thick/full rain clouds. So then what happens to the sun moon and stars when the cloud cover is thick during the day? You can see light, but you can not pinpoint the sun. Then At Night there is only pitch black darkness. And then, it rains for the first time and the sky clear for the first time ever. guess what is visible for the first time ever? Sun, Moon and Stars...

-57 said:
Soooooooooo, Adam and Eve were told to be fruitful and multiply...hung out in the garden for "100 bazillion years"...and didn't have kids?

Actually Adam and Eve where never told this. Day 6 man Kind was told this. This is what Adam and Eve did not have children in the garden. They did not even see themselves as being naked before they sinned. Once they sinned then it became apparent that they where naked. This is why they fashioned cloths out of fig leaves.. (What happens to a young man's body when he sees a young woman naked for the first time ever?) Do you think they thought God would notice the change in Adam? So if they did not see each other sexually in the garden, then they could not have had children.

Again here is a list of the difference between day 3 Adam and day 6 man kind:

1. Eve was created some time after Adam, as per gen 2.
1a. Day 6 mankind and woman kind where created together/on the same day.

2. Adam was made a living soul when God breathed life into him.
2a Mankind was made in the image of God only. The implication being day 6 mankind has the same physical attributes of God there is no spiritual component to day 6 man/No soul.

3.After Adam was created He was placed in a protected Garden.
3a. Mankind was told to go fourth and multiply again something Adam could not do.

Adam being a separate creation from day 6 mankind also explains who Adam's children married (Without resulting to incest)
Who cain was so afraid of when banished, and God marked His face (Wouldn't everyone know who uncle cain was?)
Who populated the CITY Cain built. (A city was a minimum of 2000 people with in a given region) And who god would curse if they killed cain.

There is no reason to assume that Genesis doesn't mean what it says...

100% agree. What I am pointing out is that what you believe the Bible says, is only one possible interpretation of what the Bible says. I have not challenged or changed one word of the Bible. What I have done is created a different narrative using 100% of what the Bible says. The only thing being challenged is the catholic church's interpretation of creation. (The Catholic Church is where your version of creation comes from, not just the Bible/Your denomination.) Meaning you can not read straight off the page and answer all questions that a straight read would produce.. (Who did Ian marry? where did she come from if he was exiled, who populated the city cain built etc) You have to 'invent' little bridges to cover the gaps in this interpretation. (Incest, she was also banished having done nothing wrong etc.)

-57 said:
How do you explain away the birds before dinosaurs?

The taxonomy we use to identify birds and dinosaurs, was not used back then a "bird" was any flying creature over the size of a golf ball. This is why we have bats being identified as 'birds' in lev 11. the Bible identifies animals by where the live how the move or by what they eat. we identify them using this taxomological scale:

Biological Classification
The system of biological classification uses seven primary taxonomic ranks. As you move down the hierarchy, the groups become more specific.

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Kingdom: The broadest category, encompassing major groups like Animalia, Plantae, or Fungi.
Phylum: Groups organisms based on fundamental structural plans (e.g., Chordatafor animals with backbones).
Class: Further divides phyla into major groups (e.g., Mammalia for mammals).
Order: Groups families with similar traits (e.g., Carnivora).
Family: A group of closely related genera (e.g., Canidae for dogs and foxes).
Genus: A group of closely related species (e.g., Canis).
Species: The most specific rank, representing individuals capable of interbreeding

A bird could have been a very large insect reptile or mammal. anything that had wings and could fly. flying created existed before the dinosaurs.

-57 said:
Yes, Adam became a fallen man...but his total life was 930 years.

yes. I agree.

But Keep in mind God said: 17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you[f] shall surely die.”

the catholic version of creation you are using makes God a liar here. Because as you pointed out earlier a day is 24 hours. This means (Because God is Not a liar) that Adam's form in the Garden died the very day he are the fruit. This also means his 'life' outside the garden was different than his life in the garden with God. That life outside the garden was 930 years long..

drich0150 · May 22, 2026

-57 said:
>That's the reason why they came up with the "gap theory"...to force the bible to accept evolutionism.

No the original gap theory states the "in the beginning" was a whole other creation cycle. Imagine everything between creation and Noah's ark taking place, but this time there was no Noah. that people where Just wicked and there was no Noah/hope, and God resets the whole world. Gap theory says this previous existence is the reason for the fossil record.

I simply take the gap from gap theory and use it in a way to support science. Why is this important? because we are told from many christian sources that we are loosing 70 to 80% of our kids to the secular world by the time they get to their second year of college. if the graduate after 4 years 90% of them leave the faith never to return. This all starts with undermined creation. The catholic model of creation does not work. we are loosing our future, the church will not survive a 90% attrition rate.

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Again my creation interpretation does nothing in the way of altering SCRIPTURE, I take what is written and explain how this can remain true even under the scrutiny of science. This allows a young person to maintain their faith and put their academic faith in science.

-57 said:
What you seemed to do was place all of "evolution" into the six days....where the theo-evo crowd places evolution in the gap.

Actually no. The opposite is true. I place a 7 day creation/terraformation at the beginning of what science says was the start of Earth's beginning 100 bazillion years ago. Then I point out that there is no time line between the last day of creation, and the exile from the garden meaning Adam could have been in the garden for 100 bazillion years

-57 said:
Where do you stand?

Actually I'm sitting... at my desk about 1/2 way between Orlando and Daytona beach FL.

drich0150 · May 22, 2026

-57 said:
You do know Gen 2 is a transition from Gen 1 and primarily focus on day 6?

Not according to gen 2.

Let's look at Gen 2:4 again:

"in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens, "

So the Sky/Heavens was day 2, and the earth/dry land was day three.

5 before any plant of the field was in the earth and before any herb of the field had grown. For the Lord God had not caused it to rain on the earth,

So, before plants = day three because dry land and plants happened day three. We know this is before plants because Scripture tells us before plants because it had not rained on the earth yet for the first time.

So again Sky of day two marks the beginning of the chapter 2 narrative, and plants of Day 3 marks the end of the chapter 2 narrative. These two book end tell us when the creation of Adam started and when it ended.

Plants were created on day 3.

yes.

...then another set of plants were created separately on day 6 in the garden of Eden God planted.

why would God need to create plants on day three and then plants again on day 6 when they where already planted day 3?

drich0150 · May 22, 2026

-57 said:
Adam was created on day 6. There was no day 3 creation of man.

then why does chapter 2 describe day 2 and day 3 with the events?

Job 33:6 · May 22, 2026

drich0150 said:
Actually you can't say that because 1. it is not consistent with the narrative of Gen 2:4This is what happened when the Lord God made the earth and the sky. 5 This was before there were plants on the earth. Nothing was growing in the fields because the Lord God had not yet made it rain on the earth, and there was no one to care for the plants.

It is consistent if you view these texts as independently written creation stories. They don't have to perfectly align.

Genesis 1 and 2 appear to have different literary styles and purposes. Genesis 2 is not simply a continuation of Genesis 1 in chronological form, but a narrative zoom into the human and Edenic setting, which is why some of the ordering details are presented differently.

drich0150 said:
God created the sky on day 2, and the earth was created day 3 Which the passage specifically says this happened before the plants of Day three because it had never rained on the earth for the first time at this point. So no. narratively you can not claim 'land without vegetation was eden only.' as again We are specifically told there where no plants On The Earth, because it had not rain yet On The Earth.

"The earth" is a modern translation. The Hebrew word is eretz, or land. This is not referring to a spherical planet earth as you seem to be suggesting. There is no reason that you have to view Genesis 2s erets as being identical in scope as the erets of Genesis 1.

drich0150 said:
Reason 2 your exegesis will not work is because it is not consistent with how ancient Hebrew people told their stories. The video you posted a couple of posts back explains this process and I have a link to it here explained out in detail: How Hebrew Constructs Narratives | Biblical Hebrew

In short Hebrew people will give a main story or prime time line and then when that outline is established they will pick 2 book end events in that story (After dry land of gen 2 day 2, and before plants of day 3) and fill in details that coinside with the prime time line. For example Gen 1 through gen 2:3 is the 7 day prime time line. (Tells what happens in the 7 days of creation) Then in gen 2:4 forward, is a garden only narrative all happens between dry land and plants.

Yea sure, and that's why chapter 2 is not meant to be crammed into day 3 somewhere where it doesn't belong. It is outside of the bookends.

drich0150 said:
Your video makes mention of this when talking about Issac and Ismael. Ismael's story is told first to completion and then the narrative goes back to tell the story of Isaac which runs parallel/in the same or prime time line of Ismael. They are not two different stories nor did they happen sequentially. One story was told from start to finish then the author told the other story with the understanding that his audience (If Moses the audience would have been the Hebrew people who just left Egypt with him) simply understood there where not two separate events just like gen 1 and 2 are not two separate events.

Isaac and Ishmaels stories are distinct stories. But ultimately Genesis follows a variety of patterns, sequence, parallel narratives, and in some cases the retelling of narratives.

how creation and evolution can work together seamlessly

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