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Trans athlete dominates California girls’ track meet as protesters demand: ‘Keep men out of women’s sports’

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The New York/California post engages in culture war political advocacy, not serious journalism.

Trans athletes are rare across the country. There's no strong evidence that trans women in general perform better in sports or present an unfair advantage:
Of course there is strong evidence. How many women have entered men's sports and gone to the top? They could make a lot of money in baseball, a woman who could be competition for Aaron Judge in home runs or have the speed to challenge Bobby Witt Jr. for steals.
There are two genders and physical differences.
 
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Makes sense. When I was in Cross Country in High School, most girls could have probably outrun me. People are different.

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(I'm a male and graduated in 2014 fwiw)
I'm a male and graduated from HS in 1975. Loved playing team sports, especially baseball. :baseball:
 
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My mistake, fifth. I don't think it was fair or is fair. And putting biological male athletes in a locker room with girls is morally wrong.
You may not think it's fair.
But four, full vaginaed female swimmer also beat her.
Her losing that race had absolutely nothign to do with fairness. She lost that race because she isn't NEARLY as good of a swimmer as the champions were.


I'm curious....is it BETTER for a lesbian to be in a lockerroom full of women or for a trans identifying man (who was gay)?
 
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So, the CIF Southern Section actually has a pretty great web site where you can find all of the results of their meets:

The divisional prelims in question:

Note that the events in the OP are merely preliminary qualifiers. The finals haven't even happened yet.

In the triple jump, which takes the results from an individual's best performance, the trans girl walloped everybody across all four divisions.

In the long jump, which also displays and individual's best performance, the the trans girl also had the best jump across all divisions, but by a much smaller margin. The cis girls who placed 2nd and 3rd in her division also beat everybody else in the other divisions.

OTOH, the high jump (AFAIK) only increases in height until a sufficient number of people have been eliminated that the leaders can progress to the next round. In the case of D3 (the trans girl's division), that upper bound was 5'2". IOW, five girls from each division move on and only five D3 girls (including the trans girl) managed to clear 5'2", so that's where they stopped. In D2, they stopped at 5'1". However, D1 & D4 stopped at 6'4" and 6'1", respectively. It stands to reason that at least some of the D1 & D4 girls could go even higher than that. Is the trans girl competitive there? We won't know until the finals.
 
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Of course there is strong evidence. How many women have entered men's sports and gone to the top? They could make a lot of money in baseball, a woman who could be competition for Aaron Judge in home runs or have the speed to challenge Bobby Witt Jr. for steals.
There are two genders and physical differences.
I wonder....
There are 550,000 college atheletes.

Can you guess:
How many of those atheletes are transgender?
Can you guess how many of them suffer from depression or anxiety?
Can you guess how many of them have eating disorders?
Can you guess how many of them are suicidal?

1) 10. In 550,000
2) 20-30% (that will amount to minimally 110,000)
3) 25-30%
4) Of 1,100 recorded deaths between 2002-2022, 128 were suicide (that's almost 12%)



I wonder if it may be time for a very stark conversation on what the debate around "transgenderism" in sport is really about.

I cannot imagine one is really interested in "protecting atheletes" if there are that few transgender atheletes. So few people are being impacted by them.


Look at this other data around mental health and atheletes. IF you are interested in ACTUALLY having an impact on them, consider these other avenues. Beating up on 10 people in the United States is just such a wasted amount of energy.
 
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I wonder....
There are 550,000 college atheletes.

Can you guess:
How many of those atheletes are transgender?
Can you guess how many of them suffer from depression or anxiety?
Can you guess how many of them have eating disorders?
Can you guess how many of them are suicidal?

1) 10. In 550,000
2) 20-30% (that will amount to minimally 110,000)
3) 25-30%
4) Of 1,100 recorded deaths between 2002-2022, 128 were suicide (that's almost 12%)



I wonder if it may be time for a very stark conversation on what the debate around "transgenderism" in sport is really about.

I cannot imagine one is really interested in "protecting atheletes" if there are that few transgender atheletes. So few people are being impacted by them.


Look at this other data around mental health and atheletes. IF you are interested in ACTUALLY having an impact on them, consider these other avenues. Beating up on 10 people in the United States is just such a wasted amount of energy.
Why expose a full locker room of girls to a biological male undressing? Don't the girls have rights?
 
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Why expose a full locker room of girls to a biological male undressing? Don't the girls have rights?
I recognize your focus on this and it is neither useful or impactful.

If you are concerned about student atheletes, they actually have a lot of other VERY REAL concerns that they could use your help and advocacy with.


Also, my ancestry is European and I have zero problems being on beach in Europe. When it comes to nudity, I am not as reactionary and scared as many Americans. I know I won't die if I see a vagina or a breast. It seems some people find a human body just absolutely terrifying and instill that horror into their children.
 
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Why expose a full locker room of girls to a biological male undressing? Don't the girls have rights?
Private areas are meant to be private for females. Of course it’s traumatizing. I remember boys wanting to know why there was a female in their locker room as well. It made them uncomfortable too.
 
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It's not nonsense, it's quite obvious. Many women worked very hard, from Billy Jean King on to promote women in sports. A lot of people worked hard for women to gain equity, having universities quit giving the vast bulk of money to men's sports. Now a leading portion of the Democratic Party thinks transgenders should be in women's sports. In my opinion this has two major negative effects. A lot of the gains for women will be destroyed and girls will be in the locker rooms with men. Perhaps all of the political leaders who promote this stuff haven't thought it out, the American people need to let them know.

There's a lack of durable evidence that transwomen are destroying the gains made by women in general in sports. The New York Post, and similar yellow journalism, goes around and looks for what are effectively statistical outliers, when in reality transwomen in sports are such a small minority it would be difficult to draw those kind of definitive conclusions in a credible manner. So what you are peddling is just vibes.
 
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I recognize your focus on this and it is neither useful or impactful.

If you are concerned about student atheletes, they actually have a lot of other VERY REAL concerns that they could use your help and advocacy with.


Also, my ancestry is European and I have zero problems being on beach in Europe. When it comes to nudity, I am not as reactionary and scared as many Americans. I know I won't die if I see a vagina or a breast. It seems some people find a human body just absolutely terrifying and instill that horror into their children.
Countries are allowed to have their own moral standards. In Costa Blanca they allow women to go topless at the beaches and the hotel swimming pools, and it is quite common, but they have fines for doing so in the streets or shops. The United States by rights have different laws and don't need the laws of European countries to be imposed on the American people. I understand the section of the far left that wishes to impose their ideas on everyone, but they need to leave young female athletes alone.
 
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Private areas are meant to be private for females. Of course it’s traumatizing. I remember boys wanting to know why there was a female in their locker room as well. It made them uncomfortable too.
Females. Meaning, biological females. Period. Keep men (males) out. It's ONLY fair.
 
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I recognize your focus on this and it is neither useful or impactful.

If you are concerned about student atheletes, they actually have a lot of other VERY REAL concerns that they could use your help and advocacy with.


Also, my ancestry is European and I have zero problems being on beach in Europe. When it comes to nudity, I am not as reactionary and scared as many Americans. I know I won't die if I see a vagina or a breast. It seems some people find a human body just absolutely terrifying and instill that horror into their children.
Some people don't want to see other people naked. It's only natural response that has been learned over time. Yes, some might be surprised by that depending on the culture. It is what it is, me thinks.

I do understand what you're saying, though.
 
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So, the CIF Southern Section actually has a pretty great web site where you can find all of the results of their meets:

The divisional prelims in question:

Note that the events in the OP are merely preliminary qualifiers. The finals haven't even happened yet.

In the triple jump, which takes the results from an individual's best performance, the trans girl walloped everybody across all four divisions.

In the long jump, which also displays and individual's best performance, the the trans girl also had the best jump across all divisions, but by a much smaller margin. The cis girls who placed 2nd and 3rd in her division also beat everybody else in the other divisions.

OTOH, the high jump (AFAIK) only increases in height until a sufficient number of people have been eliminated that the leaders can progress to the next round. In the case of D3 (the trans girl's division), that upper bound was 5'2". IOW, five girls from each division move on and only five D3 girls (including the trans girl) managed to clear 5'2", so that's where they stopped. In D2, they stopped at 5'1". However, D1 & D4 stopped at 6'4" and 6'1", respectively. It stands to reason that at least some of the D1 & D4 girls could go even higher than that. Is the trans girl competitive there? We won't know until the finals.
Figured I'd follow up on this.

Here are the results from the regional finals this week:

The results were basically the same. Miss Hernandez again walloped everybody in the triple jump and beat everybody at the high jump and long jump by much smaller margins. (many of the high jump scores seemed lower all around).

Since the state championships haven't occured yet, I had know way of knowing how she'd stack up against the rest of the competition, so I looked up last year's results.

In 2025, she won the triple jump, had a three-way tie for first in the high jump and came in second in the long jump (against, presumably, cis girls). The winner of last year's long jump had a distance about 7.5" longer than Hernandez' winning jump at the regionals this past weekend. Coincidentally, that's approximately the margin between Hernandez and the girl who placed second in her division.

So, she's obviously at the top levels of track & field within California, but she's not unbeatable by cis girls.
 
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