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Latest GOP anti-abortion bill based on false info

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No humans are protected by this bill.
Yes, they are protected. Those unborn humans will get to live ad those women who were brainwashed by pro-abortionists into thinking that having an abortion is the right and only option they have.
 
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Yes, they are protected. Those unborn humans will get to live ad those women who were brainwashed by pro-abortionists into thinking that having an abortion is the right and only option they have.
Babies being born does not mean they are protected. Women forced to carry to term does not mean they are protected. And please stop insulting women who make choices you don’t like by assuming they were brainwashed into those choices.
 
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Yes, they are protected. Those unborn humans will get to live ad those women who were brainwashed by pro-abortionists into thinking that having an abortion is the right and only

I find it curious that those who claim to care about the unborn make no effort to prevent miscarriages, which outnumber abortions many times over.
 
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Hanlons razor has been inverted in our current political reality from now on its: Never attribute to incompetence what can be explained with malice.

Why choose when you can attribute both accurately?
 
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I find it curious that those who claim to care about the unborn make no effort to prevent miscarriages, which outnumber abortions many times over.

That would mean expanding healthcare to pregnant mothers. And most of these types see pregnant mothers as "somebody else's problem" at best, or objects of shame or punishment at worst.
 
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One cannot equate "fail[ing[ to achieve viability" as the same thing as "miscarriage". Indeed, the study you've referenced states that "70% of human conceptions fail to achieve viability, with almost 50% of pregnancies ending in miscarriage..." There is a clear delineation here between failing to achieve viability and miscarriage.
When you cut off half of a sentence, it can significantly change the meaning of that sentence.

The full quote is:
Approximately 70% of human conceptions fail to achieve viability, with almost 50% of all pregnancies ending in miscarriage before the clinical recognition of a missed period or the presence of embryonal heart activity.
What this sentence is saying is that half of pregnancies end in miscarriage before the pregnancy is detected. The further ~20% occur after pregnancy is discovered (via missed period or detected embryonal heart activity) but before viability is reached. Those are still miscarriages, so it is saying that a total of 70% of pregnancies are estimated to end in miscarriage.

Whether or not the claim that half of pregnancies miscarry before they are detected is accurate is another question (I looked up the two studies cited for it - one says that about 25% miscarried before normal clinical methods would have detected the pregnancy, and the other says that 57% miscarried before the mother was aware - and both studies are quite old, and quite small), but that is what the paper is saying.
 
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So, when do we men start using a catch kit for their sperm.
When do women start making the man wear a catch kit (rubber) while performing the act of reproduction.
 
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Republicans Introduce Absurd Bill To Stop 'Pollution' Of Drinking Water With Fetal Remains​



House Republicans on Wednesday introduced a bill that would require every pregnant person using abortion pills to use “catch kits” when ending their pregnancy. The Clean Water For All Life Act, introduced by Rep. Mary Miller (R-Ill.), would make it illegal to flush abortion or miscarriage remains down a toilet “to protect both human dignity and America’s water systems,” according to a press release from Miller.

“The murder-for-profit abortion industry is not only ending innocent life, but is also polluting our water, endangering women and operating with virtually no accountability,” Miller said during a Wednesday press conference. “The fact is, the abortion pill ingredients used to starve a pre-born child remain active and unfiltered in our water treatments,” she continued. “That means families across the nation may be unknowingly ingesting abortion-related chemicals in their drinking water, exposing them to potential health risks like infertility and cancer.”

The bill would also ban telehealth abortion care, or the ability to prescribe abortion pills via mail, and force women to use catch kits ― which stop any fetal remains from going down the toilet after ending a pregnancy ― and bring the medical waste to their physician. The penalties include a $50,000 fine and up to five years in prison.

Since the fall of federal abortion protections in 2022, rates of abortion care have actually increased in large part because pregnant people are able to access abortion pills by mail, rather than going to a brick-and-mortar clinic.
Just last week, anti-abortion advocate Sen. Josh Hawley (R-Mo.) introduced a bill to ban mifepristone for abortion use across the country. Once again, Hawley cited a junk science report that’s often used in right-wing circles to spread misinformation about the purported dangers of the abortion pill.

The administration is reportedly slow-walking the FDA’s review of mifepristone until after the midterm — infuriating far-right anti-abortion advocates who have called for the head of the FDA to step down. Abortion opponents are also angry with Trump after the administration moved earlier this month to dismiss multiple federal lawsuits against the abortion pill.


Abortion rates are up, and both sides are unhappy about Trump's approach to the issue. I'll say this: his failure rate is almost perfect!
This is the dumbest thing I’ve seen (so far). Bunch of people hoping to inflict their ignorance on a group who needs support not suspicion.
 
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The murder-for-profit abortion industry
They call it murder at every opportunity yet they have had years to change the law to class abortion as murder but have not done so.
 
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When you cut off half of a sentence, it can significantly change the meaning of that sentence.

It can. Good thing it didn't in this instance.

What this sentence is saying is that half of pregnancies end in miscarriage before the pregnancy is detected.

Actually, what that sentence is saying is that almost half (something less than 50%, and certainly far less than the original claim of 70%) of all pregnancies end in miscarriage before the pregnancy is detected. And that in itself is a dubious, untestable claim. If you don't know that a woman is pregnant, how can you know that she miscarried?
 
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They call it murder at every opportunity yet they have had years to change the law to class abortion as murder but have not done so.
Because when it gets right down to it, even those who say it’s murder don’t actually think it’s murder.
 
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Actually, what that sentence is saying is that almost half (something less than 50%, and certainly far less than the original claim of 70%) of all pregnancies end in miscarriage before the pregnancy is detected.
I suggest you work on your reading comprehension. If we know that about 20% of known pregnancies end in miscarriage, and studies have shown that about 50% of pregnancies end before anyone is aware of them, then that would mean that approximately 70% of pregnancies end in miscarriage. It's pretty simple math.
And that in itself is a dubious, untestable claim. If you don't know that a woman is pregnant, how can you know that she miscarried?
As I said in the part of my post that you cut off, the validity of the claim is certainly debatable. I was simply correcting your misreading of it.

If you'd like to understand the answer to your question, you can start by reading the two papers that are referenced to make that claim - they explain the methodology.
 
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