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Is the Rapture credible?
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Of which church? For a lot of denominations, yes, but the resulting post might seem inflammatory.
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And the KJV. was written in Hebrew and in Greek and to me the KJV. is the text to read and follow.
and there is NO Greek word called rapture in the Greek Text is where I stand !!
And the Apostle to the Gentiles , Paul , never uses the so CALLED word Rapture ever !!
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The KJV is written in English to be specific, it is written in Jacobean English it is definitely not written in Hebrew and in Greek. you are of course correct. There is no Greek word that is spelled "rapture".
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1, The KJV was not written in Hebrew or Greek -- just English
2. It was translated from Hebrew Masoretic Text, while the KJV New Testament came from Erasmus' Textus Receptus Greek texts which he created around 1516.
3. The Latin Vulgate was translated (381AD - 405 A.D) from Greek and Hebrew texts starting over 1000 years BEFORE the textus receptus even came into being.
There is no Greek word called Jesus, or Love, or ... since those are English words and Greek is Greek.
"Rapturo" is the Latin for "caught up" in 1 Thess 4. That is what Christians were reading for 1000 years prior to the Textus Receptus
True he did not use English words like "Jesus" and
"rapture".
everyone knows that Greek is not English and it is not Latin. I think a lot of people will be in agreement on that point
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Luk 21:36 Watch therefore and be constant in prayer, that ye may be counted worthy to escape all these things, which shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
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do you think that's a pro rapture verse? it doesn't look like it is to me.
And take heed to yourselves, lest perhaps your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting and drunkenness and the cares of this life: and that day come upon you suddenly. For as a snare shall it come upon all that sit upon the face of the whole earth. Watch ye, therefore, praying at all times, that you may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that are to come and to stand before the Son of man. And in the daytime, he was teaching in the temple: but at night going out, he abode in the mount that is called Olivet. And all the people came early in the morning to him in the temple, to hear him.
Luke 21:34-38 DRB
Nope. Doesn't look like it refers to The rapture in any way, shape or form - it's amazing what a little bit of context can do to make a verse clear.
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Pardon my foolishness, I thought that maybe the paragraph containing the verse you posted may be sufficient context to get a basic idea of what the writer was talking about - something that is not a rapture.
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People who believe in an early rapture often point to 1 Thessalonians 4:15–18. They read it as teaching that the dead in Christ rise first to meet with Christ, and then immediately afterwards, those who are alive are caught up to meet the Lord in the air. So, a rapture for all believers who are both dead and alive.
But Jesus Himself taught something different. Several times, He said believers are raised on the last day. This is the end of earthly time, when He judges the world at the Great White Throne judgment.
John 6:39 – And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that of everything that He has given Me I will lose nothing, but will raise it up on the last day.
John 6:40 – For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day.
John 6:44 – No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day.
John 6:54 – The one who eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.
John 11:24 – Martha said to Him, “I know that he will rise in the resurrection on the last day.”
So, when does anyone rise before the last day? Only in the case of the martyrs. Revelation 20:6–11 speaks of an early resurrection for those who are killed for their faith. They are raised and reign with Christ for 1,000 years, but the rest of the dead are not raised until the end.
With this in mind, 1 Thessalonians 4:15–18 makes sense: “the dead in Christ” are raised first (the martyrs), and then at the last day of time, those who are alive are caught up to meet the Lord in the clouds and all go to judgment at the GWT judgement.
It is clear, then, that all believers are raised on the last day, while only martyrs are raised early.
On the last day, the dead, both believers and unbelievers alike, are raised and judged.
Acts 24:15 confirms this when it says "a" resurrection: “I have hope in God, which they themselves also accept, that there will be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and the unjust.” This points to a single resurrection of all the dead, not two separate ones.
And Jesus also said that there will be a time when all believers and non-believers are raised and judged. In John 5:28–29 He says: “Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice and come forth, those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.”
But Jesus Himself taught something different. Several times, He said believers are raised on the last day. This is the end of earthly time, when He judges the world at the Great White Throne judgment.
John 6:39 – And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that of everything that He has given Me I will lose nothing, but will raise it up on the last day.
John 6:40 – For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day.
John 6:44 – No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day.
John 6:54 – The one who eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.
John 11:24 – Martha said to Him, “I know that he will rise in the resurrection on the last day.”
So, when does anyone rise before the last day? Only in the case of the martyrs. Revelation 20:6–11 speaks of an early resurrection for those who are killed for their faith. They are raised and reign with Christ for 1,000 years, but the rest of the dead are not raised until the end.
With this in mind, 1 Thessalonians 4:15–18 makes sense: “the dead in Christ” are raised first (the martyrs), and then at the last day of time, those who are alive are caught up to meet the Lord in the clouds and all go to judgment at the GWT judgement.
It is clear, then, that all believers are raised on the last day, while only martyrs are raised early.
On the last day, the dead, both believers and unbelievers alike, are raised and judged.
Acts 24:15 confirms this when it says "a" resurrection: “I have hope in God, which they themselves also accept, that there will be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and the unjust.” This points to a single resurrection of all the dead, not two separate ones.
And Jesus also said that there will be a time when all believers and non-believers are raised and judged. In John 5:28–29 He says: “Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice and come forth, those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.”
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An all can used internet to see the Greek and Hebrew word you want to. see its spelling and what it means in. the
Greek and Hebrew text at any. time that you want day . or night and one showing. the Greek o r Hebrew text has
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ARBITER01 said:
Luk 21:36 Watch therefore and be constant in prayer, that ye may be counted worthy to escape all these things, which shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
Rev. 7:9 After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands, ... 14 “These are the ones having come out of the great tribulation, and who have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."
The rapture to heaven to stand before the heavenly throne follows "the great tribulation."
Luk 21:36 Watch therefore and be constant in prayer, that ye may be counted worthy to escape all these things, which shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
That verse is to be fulfilled here:
Rev. 7:9 After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands, ... 14 “These are the ones having come out of the great tribulation, and who have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."
The rapture to heaven to stand before the heavenly throne follows "the great tribulation."
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Why would you believe Revelation 7:9 refers to a future "rapture to heaven", rather than it being about all the martyrs who have experienced tribulation throughout history? That is to say: Why do you believe that there is some, yet, future period called "the great tribulation"? And why do you believe in a "rapture to heaven" when the Bible never mentions one?
The only passage in the Bible which speaks of the saints being "seized up" is to meet the returning Lord Jesus Christ in 1 Thessalonians 4:17. You'll note that in the whole passage of 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 there isn't one mention of being "raptured to heaven". It speaks of Christ returning, and our going up to meet Him.
When a king returns after a long absence, and the royal procession goes out to meet him, they don't leave to go somewhere else--they go out and accompany the king into the city. That's what is going on here in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17--a royal procession or entourage to go and receive the returning King Jesus.
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The whole idea of a rapture, as conceived by Dispensationalists, is that the raptured ESCAPE the Tribulation by being raptured. They think of themselves as a generation of Christians with the special privelege of being taken to heaven without martyrdom, without death. This is unlike any previous generation of Christians. Escaping the Tribulation is not the same as coming out of the Tribulation, it is the opposite of coming out of the Tribulatoin.
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I remember in the middle of the last century, the gospel was presented not as a way to be born again and saved, but as a way to escape the tribulation through the rapture. That seemed to be the push... avoid the great tribulation by calling on the Lord.
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You make a good point, although I don’t remember anyone talking about a “rapture” before the 1970’s.
[Jesus says:] “Remember the words I spoke to you: `No servant is greater than his master.’ If they persecuted me, they will persecute you also. If they obeyed my teaching, they will obey yours also.”
John 15:20 NIV
This verse is a follow up to a previous one.
[Jesus says:] “I tell you the truth, no servant is greater than his master, nor is a messenger greater than the one who sent him.”
John 13:16 NIV
[Jesus says: ]“The student is not above the teacher, nor a servant above his master. It is enough for students to be like their teachers, and servants like their masters. If the head of the house has been called Beelzebul, how much more the members of his household!"
Matthew 10:24-25 NIV
Matthew 10:24-25 NIV
Jesus endured persecution and He warned us that we are not immune.
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