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Wes Huff tells Steven Bartlett he'll go to Hell if he doesn't accept Jesus as his Savior

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Apologist Wes Huff told famous entrepreneur Steven Bartlett that he would be going to Hell if he didn't accept Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior.

In a recent episode of the globally popular podcast “The Diary of a CEO,” Huff sat down with Bartlett for a discussion that lasted more than two hours. Among the hot topics Bartlett sought to discuss was Hell.

“Everybody is going to Hell,” Huff declared. “The Bible is very clear. All good people go to Heaven. But Jesus said, ‘No one is good but God alone.’ So if all good people go to Heaven and no one is good but God alone, only God is in Heaven.”

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Ahhh, yes. Where did the "accept Jesus as your Lord and savior," and "ask Jesus into your heart" come from? I hear it mostly from Evangelical Protestants and those from a Fundamentalist background.
 
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Ahhh, yes. Where did the "accept Jesus as your Lord and savior," and "ask Jesus into your heart" come from? I hear it mostly from Evangelical Protestants and those from a Fundamentalist background.
So what should they say then? I see nothing wrong with it.
 
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So what should they say then? I see nothing wrong with it.
I don’t know. I would say God’s grace saved me via the sacraments and faith. That’s where Protestants and Catholics differ ;)
 
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I don’t know. I would say God’s grace saved me via the sacraments and faith. That’s where Protestants and Catholics differ ;)
Protestants are still the Body of Christ. Anybody is free to take that as they will but I deeply appreciate my Protestant background. Yeah I hit a wall but it was also my very informative springboard to be where I am. God meets us where we are at and we are directed from there. The divisions are on us.
 
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Ahhh, yes. Where did the "accept Jesus as your Lord and savior," and "ask Jesus into your heart" come from? I hear it mostly from Evangelical Protestants and those from a Fundamentalist background.

19-century revivalism shaped by pragmatism and individualism.

Jonathan Edwards is often credited with the first Protestant with this kind of preaching, but that really compresses something that was more complicated for Puritans. They had broken off from the Church of England, believing the priest's own testimony mattered, because they expected the preaching and example to be sacramental, or at least, to function akin to one. They were intensely religious, scrupulous even. Sin was something omnipresent in their culture, it could be even embodied in peoples and places - they had far more in common with a medieval, enchanted world, than the world of modern America.

Here's one story from Edwards as an example, this one involved a 4 year old girl who had stolen some plums from a neighbors yard, then felt scrupulous afterwards, even though the neighbor gave her permission to eat them:

Edwards describes in A Faithful Narrative, a four-year-old girl named Phebe Bartlet, during the Northampton revival of the 1730s. Phebe had been in a season of genuine distress — retreating to pray alone multiple times a day, weeping, unable to find what she was seeking — when something shifted. She stopped crying and began to smile. She told her mother: "The kingdom of heaven is come to me." She added that three things had come to her, which turned out to be fragments of scripture or creedal confessions : "Thy will be done" and "Enjoy him forever." Then: "I can find God now."


What Edwards valued in the story was not the moment of reception but what it made visible afterward. When Phebe took plums from a neighbor's garden with other children, she refused to eat them even after the neighbor gave permission — and explained, through tears, that she was crying "because it was sin." Another morning her mother asked why she had been crying in the night. "I was thinking about God and Christ, and they loved me," she said. Her mother asked if that was why she cried. "Yes," she said. "It does sometimes." Edwards included this story anticipating disbelief — a four-year-old convert strains credulity in any century — but his argument was phenomenological rather than merely apologetic. The crisis, the barrenness, the sudden gift, the changed comportment toward the world: these were the marks he was looking for. The kingdom had come to her not as doctrine received but as presence encountered, and the encounter left traces.

Puritans framed conversion as God graciously choosing to count you as beloved. It has more in common with medieval mysticism in terms of its intensity and interiority, than the kind of transactional, consumerist logic of "Just accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior", like a proposition, which describes later American pragmatism and individualism. The Puritans believed God worked through means (baptism, preaching, the Supper), but they still expected an inward transformation by grace as the sign of God's calling.

Conversion wasn't a proposition, but something more of a re-direction of the will. And indeed, Jonathan Edwards had alot in common with early medieval theologians in terms of the influence of neo-platonic philosophy - he had studied under the Cambridge Platonists as part of his university education. The Puritans by this time operated by a "half-way covenant", they believed the ordinary means of grace should be effectual if received with faith in producing conversion, but Edwards was concerned that not enough people in his congregation were showing signs of this, so he started focusing more in addressing human affections or felt emotions. In this way he had a very Augustinian focus on human desire, consonant with his Christian neoplatonism, which actually is more important in some ways than his Calvinism.

But the real emphasis with Edvards isn't so much on the conversion experience itself, but what came out of that. The settled faith in God, love of neighbor directed towards the community in practical ways, and so on. The conversion stories he recorded often aren't dissimilar to alot of earlier Catholic accounts of religious conversion.
 
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Apologist Wes Huff told famous entrepreneur Steven Bartlett that he would be going to Hell if he didn't accept Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior.

In a recent episode of the globally popular podcast “The Diary of a CEO,” Huff sat down with Bartlett for a discussion that lasted more than two hours. Among the hot topics Bartlett sought to discuss was Hell.

“Everybody is going to Hell,” Huff declared. “The Bible is very clear. All good people go to Heaven. But Jesus said, ‘No one is good but God alone.’ So if all good people go to Heaven and no one is good but God alone, only God is in Heaven.”

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Huff is technically correct in his assessment. There is only one way into the kingdom of heaven, and that is through faith in Jesus, and the kind of faith wherein one is willing to submit and do what Jesus commanded. Bartlett was also correct in saying there will be a small percentage - missionaries say that 4% of the populations are being saved.
 
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Ahhh, yes. Where did the "accept Jesus as your Lord and savior," and "ask Jesus into your heart" come from? I hear it mostly from Evangelical Protestants and those from a Fundamentalist background.
"Accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior" is actually a Biblical concept - Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth, and the life; no man comes to the Father except through Me," and other things such as you must love Him above anyone else, and Paul wrote, "no one can say 'Jesus is Lord' except by the Holy Spirit" - of course, he means sincerely from the heart. And John wrote (1:12), "As many as received Him, He gave the right to become sons of God," so "accept" and "receive" are essentially the same action or event.

"Ask Jesus into your heart" is also a Biblical concept written by John in Rev. 3:20: "Behold, I (Jesus) stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will COME INTO him and sup with him, and he with Me." Does anyone deny this statement has a personal application?
 
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I don't think Huff was called by the Lord to that discussion.

In my old age, I'm becoming very critical about how and when Christians, particularly American Christians, approach what they think is evangelism. From what I've seen in conversions, I've gotten a lot more mystical, spiritual, in what I believe should be happening.

I think there is a lot more to "right time, right place, right person, right message" according to the will of the Holy Spirit for people and moments.
 
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I don’t know. I would say God’s grace saved me via the sacraments and faith. That’s where Protestants and Catholics differ ;)
A good bit of that is talking past each other. Both mean recognizing that we are condemned to damnation; that we cannot save ourselves from that fate; and our only hope is in what Jesus Christ did for us on the cross.

Now, there's a ticklish but important point here: If we trust in anything other than that, we haven't trusted Christ. Someone who says "I'm saved because I had the sacraments" is no different than a Protestant who says "I'm saved because I walked down the aisle during the invitation" and both are trusting in something other than Christ. We all have to trust Christ's work done for our sakes. Roman Catholic; Eastern Orthodox; Anglican; Baptist; Episcopal; Lutheran; Methodist: It doesn't matter. Nor do the terms we give to recognizing our condition before God and that we desperately need someone to save us, and that someone is Jesus Christ.
 
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I think there is a lot more to "right time, right place, right person, right message" according to the will of the Holy Spirit for people and moments.
The wrong time and wrong place was a pastor who used the death of a child just hours earlier to ask a grieving father if he was saved. Had I been the father, I might have said. "You're still breathing, aren't you?"

Yes, there's a time and place. I don't know the circumstances that led to the exchange in the OP. It might have been something that came up in the conversation. It might have been out of the blue. I don't know either wayl
 
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Apologist Wes Huff told famous entrepreneur Steven Bartlett that he would be going to Hell if he didn't accept Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior.

In a recent episode of the globally popular podcast “The Diary of a CEO,” Huff sat down with Bartlett for a discussion that lasted more than two hours. Among the hot topics Bartlett sought to discuss was Hell.

“Everybody is going to Hell,” Huff declared. “The Bible is very clear. All good people go to Heaven. But Jesus said, ‘No one is good but God alone.’ So if all good people go to Heaven and no one is good but God alone, only God is in Heaven.”

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Poor Wes fell into that media trap .................................. " g.....u....l....p......!!!!!"

Wes, don't be such a sucker!!!
 
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Protestants are still the Body of Christ. Anybody is free to take that as they will but I deeply appreciate my Protestant background. Yeah I hit a wall but it was also my very informative springboard to be where I am. God meets us where we are at and we are directed from there. The divisions are on us.
Thank you. That is true.
 
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"Accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior" is actually a Biblical concept - Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth, and the life; no man comes to the Father except through Me," and other things such as you must love Him above anyone else, and Paul wrote, "no one can say 'Jesus is Lord' except by the Holy Spirit" - of course, he means sincerely from the heart. And John wrote (1:12), "As many as received Him, He gave the right to become sons of God," so "accept" and "receive" are essentially the same action or event.

"Ask Jesus into your heart" is also a Biblical concept written by John in Rev. 3:20: "Behold, I (Jesus) stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will COME INTO him and sup with him, and he with Me." Does anyone deny this statement has a personal application?

Those verses aren't up for debate as containing propositional content. The issue is how they are understood. Alot of American Evangelicals take them out of their historical-grammatical context and use them as a justification for spiritual intimidation of bystanders, whereas if you understand them in their historical context, they are really statements that are more invitational or assuring that strictly delineating who goes to heaven or hell.

Look at the context of "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life", frequently misused to score some kind of gotcha moment. The disciples are troubled because Jesus, in John's Gospel, says he's going away, and the disciples are worried they willl be lost, without light and truth. Jesus is saying "I've shown you the way", expressed in mystical language. This isn't the language of exclusion, or necessarily sharp boundaries, but invitation and trust.
 
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"Accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior" is actually a Biblical concept - Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth, and the life; no man comes to the Father except through Me," and other things such as you must love Him above anyone else, and Paul wrote, "no one can say 'Jesus is Lord' except by the Holy Spirit" - of course, he means sincerely from the heart. And John wrote (1:12), "As many as received Him, He gave the right to become sons of God," so "accept" and "receive" are essentially the same action or event.

"Ask Jesus into your heart" is also a Biblical concept written by John in Rev. 3:20: "Behold, I (Jesus) stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will COME INTO him and sup with him, and he with Me." Does anyone deny this statement has a personal application?
Thanks for the response! It’s much appreciated!
 
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I've attended umpteen churches. None of them led me to believe that they were the way. I took instruction in the Catholic church, I joined the Mormon church and was caught up in that for 12 years. I finally started reading my Bible. God taught me, not a person who told me "how" to be saved.
 
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I listen to a lot of Steven Bartlett podcasts. Never heard of Wes Huff. His assessment of only God is in heaven and everyone else in hell if that's true to the quote is a little strange. Will have to give it a listen.

Some nice delineations in this thread about sales pitch theology that's proposition transaction conveyance conversion pitches.

How bout them good old closer Baptists huh? Always selling.

Absconding with this quote: "transactional, consumerist logic." That's exactly what it is. Selling brands.

Which version did YOU buy? We all suffer from branding.

I spent my entire career in sales. Studied every aspect of it. Made an awesome career in it.

It's putrid to me in a belief setting. It's basic manipulation. I hate it when anyone tries to sell me anything.

The buy thus or else game in church is vile and evil. The worst form of manipulation. Coercion by personal threat. Sales at the point of a gun to the head. It's a sickness promoted by megalomaniacs who love to think they have that kind of power
 
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I listen to a lot of Steven Bartlett podcasts. Never heard of Wes Huff. His assessment of only God is in heaven and everyone else in hell if that's true to the quote is a little strange. Will have to give it a listen.

Some nice delineations in this thread about sales pitch theology that's proposition transaction conveyance conversion pitches.

How bout them good old closer Baptists huh? Always selling.

Absconding with this quote: "transactional, consumerist logic." That's exactly what it is. Selling brands.

Which version did YOU buy? We all suffer from branding.

I spent my entire career in sales. Studied every aspect of it. Made an awesome career in it.

It's putrid to me in a belief setting. It's basic manipulation. I hate it when anyone tries to sell me anything.

The buy thus or else game in church is vile and evil. The worst form of manipulation. Coercion by personal threat. Sales at the point of a gun to the head. It's a sickness promoted by megalomaniacs who love to think they have that kind of power
So since Jesus said, "fear Him who can destroy your body and soul in gehenna" you think He is vile and evil and His statement is the worst form of manipulation? Coercion by personal threat? Sales at the point of a gun to the head? Sickness promoted by a megalomaniac?
 
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So since Jesus said, "fear Him who can destroy your body and soul in gehenna" you think He is vile and evil and His statement is the worst form of manipulation? Coercion by personal threat? Sales at the point of a gun to the head? Sickness promoted by a megalomaniac?
It's a very heady experience to think you have the "in" and somebody else is tortured for eternity.

Like putting a loaded gun in the hands of a toddler
 
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It's a very heady experience to think you have the "in" and somebody else is tortured for eternity.

Like putting a loaded gun in the hands of a toddler
Your exaggerative response speaks volumes, that you really don't take Jesus' words to heart.
 
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