US Factory Boom Disproportionately Favors Poorer Counties

Tuur · 2026-02-17T18:57:14-0600

essentialsaltes said:
The biggest winners of Biden’s green climate policies? Republicans.

Like that stand of timber I know of that was pushed up and burned to make room for a solar field? The one that'll take at least 3-4 years to offset the CO2 from burning the trees and more likely 6-8? The solar field that turns out will not produce peak power during peak demand months, most likely due to clouds? And that last bit of data I stubbled across looking at accounts with solar panels and seeing a consistent peak at a time that made no sense, unless clouds are a factor.

With apologize to the late Jim Henson, I guess it's not easy being green.

Tuur · 2026-02-17T19:00:10-0600

essentialsaltes said:
A spokesperson for the manufacturer said that the change in policy “significantly disrupted its long-term strategy” and is partly to blame for the closure of the site, the Daily Mail reported.

Bull. What happened is that they aren't viable where you have to drive long distances, usually pulling a load. It's not a coincidence that I saw plenty of electric trucks in a city, but have only seen two out in a rural area. And most of those trucks were Telsa Cybertrucks, not Ford Lightnings.

Pommer · 2026-02-17T23:53:53-0600

Tuur said:
Part of it is that poorer counties are usually hungry for industry. Usually. Sometimes there's a faction that wants to keep things like they are, never comprehending that nothing stays like it is, and all it takes is one business to fold to put a community in a death spiral.

When things change, one of the things that can change is “who gets the bulk of the money”. The people who get the bulk of the money now, would like to keep it that way, this is a core principle of Modern Conservatism, (as I understand it).

Pommer · 2026-02-17T23:56:54-0600

Tuur said:
Bull. What happened is that they aren't viable where you have to drive long distances, usually pulling a load. It's not a coincidence that I saw plenty of electric trucks in a city, but have only seen two out in a rural area. And most of those trucks were Telsa Cybertrucks, not Ford Lightnings.

Did you miss where they built this entire auto line while the Government was giving seven and a half LARGE in subsides?
Big Beautiful Bill got rid of them.
Demand dries up.
Plant closes.
This is “winning” for some reason.

Aryeh Jay · 2026-02-18T03:47:53-0600

Pommer said:
Did you miss where they built this entire auto line while the Government was giving seven and a half LARGE in subsides?
Big Beautiful Bill got rid of them.
Demand dries up.
Plant closes.
This is “winning” for some reason.

Owning the Libs is a type of winning.

Tuur · 2026-02-18T04:46:55-0600

Pommer said:
Did you miss where they built this entire auto line while the Government was giving seven and a half LARGE in subsides?
Big Beautiful Bill got rid of them.
Demand dries up.
Plant closes.
This is “winning” for some reason.

Let's see...

1, Government mandates that people will use electrics and uses tax money to force people to do so.
2. Most people didn't want electrics and vote with their wallet.
3. Government changes and ends spending tax money on what people don't want.
4. There is an outcry from those who no longer get the tax money.

So yes, no longer taking money out of peoples' pocket for what they neither use nor want and which has questionable value is indeed winning.

Aryeh Jay · 2026-02-18T05:32:11-0600

I thought the world trillionaire and never knew Epstein Tesla guy wanted us to buy electric. Well, his electric.

wing2000 · 2026-02-18T05:56:11-0600

Tuur said:
Let's see...

1, Government mandates that people will use electrics and uses tax money to force people to do so.

Cite the federal law that forces people to "use electrics".

Tuur said:
2. Most people didn't want electrics and vote with their wallet.

Poll?

wing2000 · 2026-02-18T05:56:58-0600

Tuur said:
Like that stand of timber I know of that was pushed up and burned to make room for a solar field? The one that'll take at least 3-4 years to offset the CO2 from burning the trees and more likely 6-8? The solar field that turns out will not produce peak power during peak demand months, most likely due to clouds? And that last bit of data I stubbled across looking at accounts with solar panels and seeing a consistent peak at a time that made no sense, unless clouds are a factor.

With apologize to the late Jim Henson, I guess it's not easy being green.

Who made the decision to burn the trees?

essentialsaltes · 2026-02-18T08:42:07-0600

Tuur said:
Let's see...

1, Government mandates

nope

Tuur said:
that people will use electrics and uses tax money to force

nope

Tuur said:
people to do so.

We could save even more if the government stopped its mandates to force us to use oil and coal.

AI Overview
U.S. tax incentives for oil and coal, estimated at roughly $20–$30 billion annually, primarily consist of deductions for drilling/mining costs and depletion allowances.

Tuur · 2026-02-18T08:57:13-0600

wing2000 said:
Poll?

The same one that put VHS ahead of Betamax, then DVDs ahead of VHS, then streaming ahead of DVDs. People aren’t buying them in sufficient numbers. If you want to do more than putter around town, they aren’t a viable option. Range is limited; charging is affected by ambient temperature; as happened earlier this year, electric school busses in one local had to run without heat due to charge issues. Thus my observation of Cybertrucks in a city, but only one, and one Ford Lightning in a rural area.

Tuur · 2026-02-18T09:04:37-0600

wing2000 said:
Cite the federal law that forces people to "use electrics".

Nice hedge there with “federal.” See the following:
12 US States Are Planning to Ban the Sale of Gas-Powered Cars

Then there’s this:
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/05/climate/biden-tailpipe-emissions-electric-vehicles.html

Tuur · 2026-02-18T09:22:30-0600

wing2000 said:
Who made the decision to burn the trees?

The company putting in panels. Unless you’re in a desert, something is usually growing on the dirt or is already there and has to removed. If it’s trees and is marketable, you cut the trees, push up the limbs, run a root rake through it, and burn it all together in great big long rows. If the trees are not marketable, you cut them down and follow the above process.

Seriously, are city dwellers unaware of this?

essentialsaltes said:
We could save even more if the government stopped its mandates to force us to use oil and coal.

Uh-huh. Sure.

Want to know what’s ironic? A push for electric vehicles is essentially a push for coal powered cars.

Oh, and check out the links I posted above for information on what some think does not exist.

rambot · 2026-02-18T11:15:49-0600

Tuur said:
Like that stand of timber I know of that was pushed up and burned to make room for a solar field? The one that'll take at least 3-4 years to offset the CO2 from burning the trees and more likely 6-8? The solar field that turns out will not produce peak power during peak demand months, most likely due to clouds? And that last bit of data I stubbled across looking at accounts with solar panels and seeing a consistent peak at a time that made no sense, unless clouds are a factor.

With apologize to the late Jim Henson, I guess it's not easy being green.

I mean sure but...do you have a source you can share to varify this?

Seriously, are city dwellers unaware of this?

Why do country dwellers think that, however it happens around THEM is the way it happens everywhere?

For example, only 4% of solar energy is being harvested on previously forested land.
Only about 4% of US solar projects are located on forested land, and the solar permitting process preserves land — Powering Tomorrow Campaign — ACT.

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