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Far-left group with foreign ties undermining US under guise of protest, report warns

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That are not ‘right’ and very much racist in design.
What, wasn't the Democrat party rightwing in the sense of being the conservative party in the US when the KKK was formed?

The National Socialist Workers Party

The german party? They didn't try to transfer the means of production to the workers, the only called themselves socialist. We have no reason to believe they were socialist in any leftwing sense.
 
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What, wasn't the Democrat party rightwing in the sense of being the conservative party in the US when the KKK was formed?
No, both parties had conservative and liberal elements
The german party? They didn't try to transfer the means of production to the workers, the only called themselves socialist. We have no reason to believe they were socialist in any leftwing sense.
Yup, the party that replaced the Republic. Know your history.
 
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No, both parties had conservative and liberal elements
So was the ones forming KKK rightwing or leftwing back then? If they were rightwing, the racists were still rightwing.
Yup, the party that replaced the Republic. Know your history.
I know history, but their name was NSDAP. Where the D is for Deutsche, but you left that out (why, didn't you know?). When did they transfer the means of production to the workers? Why should we believe they were leftwing at all?
 
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That are not ‘right’ and very much racist in design.
Er, I think you may need to take a closer look at the ideologies of these groups. Suggesting that the KKK and the Nazi party are not extremely right wing is definitely a take.
 
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Interesting. Is that for every service man or only certain MOS?
Every branch and reservist now. Before it was until 60 for NCOs and COs and 55 for rank and file. Branch doesn't matter.
 
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Do you you have me confused with @Areyh Jay?

With that out of the way, do you have an answer to my question about unchecked nazism and communism?
Yes. I was trying to respond to areyh jay. My apologies.
 
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So was the ones forming KKK rightwing or leftwing back then? If they were rightwing, the racists were still rightwing.

I know history, but their name was NSDAP. Where the D is for Deutsche, but you left that out (why, didn't you know?). When did they transfer the means of production to the workers? Why should we believe they were leftwing at all?
Economic talking points included:
  • Profit-sharing in large industries
  • Nationalization of trusts
  • Land reform
  • Support for small businesses
  • Stronger pensions and social welfare for “citizens”

Sound right wing to you?

“The common good before the individual good.”
This slogan framed society as an organic national community (Volksgemeinschaft) rather than competing classes.


Profit-sharing in large industries
They called for workers to share in corporate profits — sounding pro-labor.


Nationalization of trusts
The 1920 25-Point Program included calls to nationalize major industries.


Land reform
They proposed breaking up large estates (though this was rarely implemented once in power).


Expanded pensions and welfare

The Weimar Republic was portrayed as:
  • Weak
  • Corrupt
  • Controlled by elites
  • Dislike for the Wealthy
 
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Clergy should be apart from worldly matters.
It's important for the clergy to point out evil, the biggest problem with the world today is people not recognizing evil.
 
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As for the KKK -

LBJ who was well know for using racial epithets was reported as saying

“I’ll have those [racial slur] voting Democratic for 200 years.”
After signing the 1964 Act -
 
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Economic talking points included:
  • Profit-sharing in large industries
Not implemented when in power. They didn't give the profits to the workers or transfer the ownership of the means of production.
  • Nationalization of trusts
They didn't follow through with this one either.
  • Land reform
Yes, their particular reforms were not leftwing.
  • Support for small businesses
Yes, why wouldn't this be a rightwing policy?
  • Stronger pensions and social welfare for “citizens”

    Sound right wing to you?
In the way they were implemented, yes.

  • “The common good before the individual good.”
    This slogan framed society as an organic national community (Volksgemeinschaft) rather than competing classes.
How is this leftwing?
Profit-sharing in large industries
They called for workers to share in corporate profits — sounding pro-labor.
They didn't put it into effect.
Nationalization of trusts
The 1920 25-Point Program included calls to nationalize major industries.
They never did it.
Land reform
They proposed breaking up large estates (though this was rarely implemented once in power).
They didn't do it.
Expanded pensions and welfare
Not directly leftwing, dependent on the actual implementation
The Weimar Republic was portrayed as:
  • Weak
  • Corrupt
  • Controlled by elites
  • Dislike for the Wealthy
Relevance?
 
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As for the KKK -

LBJ who was well know for using racial epithets was reported as saying


After signing the 1964 Act -
Were those who formed the KKK, conservatives (rightwing) or not?
 
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It's important for the clergy to point out evil, the biggest problem with the world today is people not recognizing evil.
Funny how all clergy agree on what is evil.
 
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More of an, "If you thought Nazis were bad, take a look at this communism thing over here." At least in Nazi Germany, people who fell into a certain racial/ethnic category were safe and lived happy lives. However, under communism, ironically a dictator posing to represent the people and maintaining that power through fear and violence, only the select elite class actually benefit from the suffering of all beneath them. Even then, after all means of self wealth generation is lost, they must then depend on other nations to keep them afloat.
You’re saying Nazism isn’t as bad as communism. When and for how long did you live under either system?
 
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You’re saying Nazism isn’t as bad as communism. When and for how long did you live under either system?
Hitler was a great admirer of communism. Hitler's own party was the National Socialist German Workers' Party.
 
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Hitler was a great admirer of communism.
You sure about that?

Let’s ask AI:

Hitler vehemently opposed communism, viewing it as a dangerous, "Jewish-Bolshevik" conspiracy designed to destroy nations through class warfare
. He sought to eradicate it from Germany, viewing himself as a savior protecting the nation from this ideology. Hitler viewed communism as a rival form of social organization.
Key aspects of Hitler's views on communism include:
  • Ideological Opposition: Hitler believed that communism (or Marxism) was a threat to the racial purity and unity of the German people, fundamentally contradicting his "racial" socialism.
  • "Jewish-Bolshevism": Hitler frequently linked communism with Jewish people, using the term "Jewish-Bolshevism" to portray it as an existential,, external, and internal, threat to Germany.
  • Action Against Communists: Upon seizing power, Hitler's regime immediately targeted communists, socialists, and trade unionists, imprisoning them in early concentration camps like Dachau.
  • Rivalry with Soviet Union: Despite ideological disdain, Hitler occasionally acknowledged Stalin's purge of Jewish communists.
While Hitler used socialist terminology in the party name (National Socialist German Workers' Party) to attract workers, he fundamentally rejected the internationalist, class-based, and egalitarian principles of Marxism.

Doesn’t sound like he was such a great admirer of communism.
Hitler's own party was the National Socialist German Workers' Party.
So?
 
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You sure about that?

Let’s ask AI:

Hitler vehemently opposed communism, viewing it as a dangerous, "Jewish-Bolshevik" conspiracy designed to destroy nations through class warfare
. He sought to eradicate it from Germany, viewing himself as a savior protecting the nation from this ideology. Hitler viewed communism as a rival form of social organization.
Key aspects of Hitler's views on communism include:
  • Ideological Opposition: Hitler believed that communism (or Marxism) was a threat to the racial purity and unity of the German people, fundamentally contradicting his "racial" socialism.
  • "Jewish-Bolshevism": Hitler frequently linked communism with Jewish people, using the term "Jewish-Bolshevism" to portray it as an existential,, external, and internal, threat to Germany.
  • Action Against Communists: Upon seizing power, Hitler's regime immediately targeted communists, socialists, and trade unionists, imprisoning them in early concentration camps like Dachau.
  • Rivalry with Soviet Union: Despite ideological disdain, Hitler occasionally acknowledged Stalin's purge of Jewish communists.
While Hitler used socialist terminology in the party name (National Socialist German Workers' Party) to attract workers, he fundamentally rejected the internationalist, class-based, and egalitarian principles of Marxism.

Doesn’t sound like he was such a great admirer of communism.

So?
AI needs to do some studying. Stalin was one of Hitler's favorites.
 
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