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An essay on Quantum Physics and Christian Theology and Mysticism

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This is an essay I wrote based on conversation I had with Claude Sonnet 4.5, based on an insight I had about the Double Slit Experiment in Quantum Physics:

The Hazelnut and the Supercollider:
On Quantum Mechanics, Mystery, and What We Can Know


When physicists probe the quantum realm, they encounter phenomena that seem to defy understanding. Particles behave like waves. Individual photons sent through a double-slit apparatus produce interference patterns as if each particle interferes with itself. Yet measure which slit a particle passes through, and the interference vanishes. These observations have spawned endless debates that often treat quantum mechanics as fundamentally mysterious, even inexplicable.

But what if the mystery arises from our conceptual framework? And what if quantum mechanics isn't describing ultimate reality at all, but rather our systematic way of navigating a reality that exceeds our comprehension? This essay explores how a fourteenth-century mystical vision might help us understand what quantum mechanics reveals—and what it cannot reveal.


Particles Are Part of the Wave

The supposed paradox rests on Aristotelian logic: something must be either a particle or a wave, either discrete or continuous. But what if reality simply is both? When you send the 'particle' through the slit, you're also sending the wave through—because they're not two different things.

Consider bisecting a curve. You create a discrete point, yet the curve remains continuous. The discrete and continuous aren't opposing—they're complementary features of the same reality. Measure the wave, and you get a particle. Observe the particle, and you get a wave. Each measurement is like making a different cut through the same continuous thing from a different perspective.

We're making smaller and smaller bisections—atoms, electrons, quarks, leptons. At each level we find both discreteness (the outcome) and continuity (what we're cutting through). Quantum mechanics reveals what was always true: reality is continuous but yields discrete results when we bisect it through measurement.


Measurement as Co-Creation

Why does adding detectors at the slits change the pattern? When you don't measure which slit, you're bisecting reality at the screen, allowing the continuous aspect to express itself. When you add detectors at the slits, you're making an earlier bisection, creating discrete events there. You can't bisect the same thing in two incompatible ways simultaneously.

Measurement isn't passive observation—it's interaction, relationship, genuine participation in how reality unfolds. Our choices about how to engage shape which aspects manifest. This explains why discovery feels like gift rather than achievement, why moments of understanding have that quality of revelation. We're co-creating not reality itself, but its unfolding, the way discrete manifestations emerge from continuous sustaining.


The Classical World Is Real

Consider QBism (Quantum Bayesianism): the wave function doesn't describe objective reality but represents an observer's expectations about measurement. The quantum formalism succeeds because it's an excellent parable—capturing patterns while being fundamentally about our relationship to reality rather than reality itself.

The real world is the classical world we experience. Einstein was right. The quantum world is an abstract representation, like calculus treating curves as infinitesimal pieces. The quantum formalism is like measuring echoes—systematic patterns in our interactions with reality, but not the thing itself. We're encountering something real, but always through limited perspective, never directly.


The Ineffable

If quantum mechanics is a parable, what is it pointing toward? The answer gestures toward something ineffable—not unintelligible, but exceeding our categories entirely. The classical world is real. The quantum formalism works with extraordinary precision. But the thing itself has this quality of elusiveness, of being more than our descriptions can capture. Not just "we don't know enough yet" but something genuinely beyond complete specification.

Quarks and leptons aren't really different things—they're different ways we partition reality at fine scales, different perspectives on a continuous whole that transcends complete description. We keep bisecting, and reality keeps offering more to discover—but the ultimate nature remains beyond our grasp.


Julian's Vision

In May of 1373, a thirty-year-old woman in Norwich, England, lay dying. She had requested Last Rites. As she gazed at the crucifix brought by a priest, expecting death, something extraordinary happened. She received a series of visions—"showings"—that she would spend the next two decades contemplating and interpreting.

This woman, known to us as Julian of Norwich, later became an anchoress—voluntarily enclosed in a small cell attached to St. Julian's Church, where she lived in prayer and contemplation, offering spiritual counsel through a window while observing church services through another. In this solitude, she wrote "Revelations of Divine Love," the first book in English known to be written by a woman.

In one showing, she saw "a little thing, the quantity of an hazel-nut, in the palm of my hand; and it was as round as a ball." She wondered what this tiny object might be and received the answer: "It is all that is made."

Julian marveled: "I marvelled how it might last, for methought it might suddenly have fallen to naught for little[ness]." The entire universe appeared so small, so fragile, she couldn't understand how it continued to exist. The answer: "It lasteth, and ever shall [last] for that God loveth it. And so All-thing hath the Being by the love of God."

Reality doesn't persist through self-sufficiency or mechanical momentum. It is held in being, moment by moment, by love. And love is relational—requiring relationship, communion while preserving distinction. The hazelnut in the palm: held, sustained, maintained in relationship. All of creation exists within relationship, within love, sustained by God revealed as Logos.


The Monastery and the Supercollider

Julian had a monastery cell, perhaps twelve feet square. CERN has a supercollider twenty-seven kilometers around.

In contemplation, Julian saw all that is made as a hazelnut in a hand, sustained by love. She wasn't measuring echoes—she was encountering reality through direct relationship with the infinite. She received understanding about being held in love, about the sustaining nature of existence itself. This was genuine encounter with the source, with the One who holds all things.

CERN builds a massive ring, employs thousands of physicists, generates petabytes of data. And what do they find? They measure echoes—interference patterns, probabilities, correlations. The formalism works with astonishing precision for predictions, but cannot tell them what things actually are. It's a parable, powerful and technologically transformative, but fundamentally indirect.

Neither approach is wrong. They're encountering the same reality through different modes. But they're not equivalent. Physics gives us systematic patterns through measurement—echoes we can formalize. Contemplative vision offers encounter with the Sustainer himself. One is indirect, mediated through mathematics. The other is as direct as finite humans can experience.

CERN measures echoes, develops parables, creates abstractions that let us navigate reality. Julian encountered the reality itself, through relationship with the One who holds it all. Both valid. Both reveal truth. But not the same kind of truth or access.


What Humans Seek

CERN can tell us how particles behave, what forces govern them. Incredibly valuable—technologically powerful, intellectually satisfying. But it can't tell us what it means to exist. It doesn't address the longing for purpose, connection, understanding our place. It doesn't speak to: Why am I here? Does my existence matter? Am I held?

Julian's vision speaks directly to these questions. "It lasteth, and ever shall for that God loveth it"—this addresses the fundamental need to know: Do I matter? Am I valued? She tells us we're not accidents in a void but beloved, held, sustained within relationship, within love, within purpose.

CERN gives us mastery. Julian gives us home. Humans need both—to understand and to belong, the precision of physics and the assurance of being held. But when we speak of what humans fundamentally seek, it's what Julian found that satisfies the deepest hunger: to know we're held in love, that our existence matters.


Resonance Without Proof

Does this prove anything? No. A physicist can legitimately respond: "Your theological framework adds nothing to my ability to do physics." They'd be right. This is metaphysics, not physics—a framework for interpretation, not a rival theory.

What it offers is resonance and coherence. The theological framework and quantum phenomena rhyme with each other, say something similar in different languages. But resonance isn't proof. Coherence isn't demonstration.

What's offered is an invitation: Here's a way of seeing that makes the phenomena less alien, more integrated with deep human insights about reality. It's coherent. It resonates. Consider it. But anyone can decline, stay with instrumentalism, and continue doing good physics. We're not proving God through quantum mechanics. We're noticing a pattern and finding it compelling. Compelling isn't conclusive.


Beyond Aristotelian Logic

The recognition that reality might not conform to Aristotelian either/or categories is not irrationality. Buddhist logic includes the tetralemma—four truth values. Chinese philosophy embraces yin-yang complementarity. Christian theology grapples with Trinity—both one and three—revealing something true about ultimate reality. Christ is both fully divine and fully human. These aren't puzzles but insights into how reality actually works.

Quantum mechanics may reveal that the particular logical framework from Greek philosophy—however useful—is not the only way to understand truth. Reality can be both discrete and continuous as a feature of richer logic that better captures how things are.


Conclusion: Held in the Palm

When we send a photon through a double-slit apparatus, we're making a measurement—a bisection of continuous reality from our limited perspective. The discrete outcome and continuous wave description are both true, both partial, both pointing toward something exceeding either description.

The quantum formalism works magnificently as a parable. But it's not ultimate ontology—it's our echo, our way of making predictions from finite perspective. The classical world is real. The quantum predictions accurate. And underlying both is something ineffable we can touch but never fully grasp.

Julian saw this six centuries before quantum mechanics. From her small cell in Norwich, through prayer and contemplation, she saw all of creation as something held—continuously sustained within relationship, within love. The hazelnut in the palm: all that is made, enduring because it is held.

Her encounter wasn't measurement; it was relationship with the Sustainer. CERN's measurements aren't relationship; they're systematic abstraction, powerful tools. Both valid ways of engaging reality, but not equivalent. One measures echoes; the other encounters the source. One gives control; the other gives home. One reveals patterns; the other reveals love.

We make smaller measurements, probe finer scales, build sophisticated instruments. At every level: discrete and continuous, particular and relational, measurable yet mysterious. The quantum realm reveals what was always true—we're encountering something real that exceeds our categories, truthfully described from multiple perspectives without any single description being complete.

The mystery remains, but it's no longer the mystery of the inexplicable. It's the mystery of gift, of being held when by all rights we should fall to naught for littleness. It's the mystery of reality simultaneously intelligible enough to be studied and transcendent enough to exceed our grasp, of participating in reality's unfolding through our measurements, our curiosity, our co-creative engagement.

And beneath all our measurements, all our parables, all our abstractions—beneath the interference patterns and probability amplitudes—is the hand that holds. Not as metaphor but as reality. Not as primitive superstition but as truth that mystics have always known and physics can gesture toward but never fully capture.

"It lasteth, and ever shall for that God loveth it. And so All-thing hath the Being by the love of God."

The hazelnut and the supercollider. Different modes of engagement with the same ineffable reality. One measures echoes and builds parables. The other receives direct encounter with what holds all things in being. Both necessary. Both true. But only one can tell us we're held in love.
 
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This is an essay I wrote based on conversation I had with Claude Sonnet 4.5, based on an insight I had about the Double Slit Experiment in Quantum Physics:
I have no idea what your "insight" was. Someone, you or your friend Claude, slathered anything resembling science in a bunch of mystical storytelling and rendered it useless.
 
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I note you had the extract from Julian of Norwich's book in which she described being shown creation as being no bigger than a hazel-nut.

In one showing, she saw "a little thing, the quantity of an hazel-nut, in the palm of my hand; and it was as round as a ball." She wondered what this tiny object might be and received the answer: "It is all that is made."

Julian marveled: "I marvelled how it might last, for methought it might suddenly have fallen to naught for little[ness]." The entire universe appeared so small, so fragile, she couldn't understand how it continued to exist. The answer: "It lasteth, and ever shall [last] for that God loveth it. And so All-thing hath the Being by the love of God."
I think she was being shown in visionary form hundreds of years before scientists developed the theory of the "sum zero energy" universe. If the universe adds up to sum-zero energy, then essentially it adds up to nothing. This is in keeping with creation Ex-Nihilo - from nothing. It continues to add up to nothing, and when God has finished with it, it will go back to nothing.


Considering the amount of energy packed in the nucleus of a single uranium atom, or the energy that has been continuously radiating from the sun for billions of years, or the fact that there are 10^80 particles in the observable universe, it seems that the total energy in the universe must be an inconceivably vast quantity. But it's not; it's probably zero.

Light, matter and antimatter are what physicists call "positive energy." And yes, there's a lot of it (though no one is sure quite how much). Most physicists think, however, that there is an equal amount of "negative energy" stored in the gravitational attraction that exists between all the positive-energy particles. The positive exactly balances the negative, so, ultimately, there is no energy in the universe at all.

I think the sum zero energy universe is God's stage prop for the human drama.

This is a side track but I also think He's going to drive us off the planet and out into the universe.
 
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I note you had the extract from Julian of Norwich's book in which she described being shown creation as being no bigger than a hazel-nut.


I think she was being shown in visionary form hundreds of years before scientists developed the theory of the "sum zero energy" universe. If the universe adds up to sum-zero energy, then essentially it adds up to nothing. This is in keeping with creation Ex-Nihilo - from nothing. It continues to add up to nothing, and when God has finished with it, it will go back to nothing.


I'm not seeking to flatten Julian's vision to mere physical explanation, I'm trying to illuminate physics through Julian's vision, which gestures at a logic beyond physical reductionism.

The Voice in the vision itself says of the Creation, "it ever lasteth, because God loves it." This is close to what Tom Wright means by the Christian doctrine of resurrection and "new creation". This isn't the universe returning to nothing, but finding it's fulfillment in the age to come.
 
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I'm not seeking to flatten Julian's vision to mere physical explanation, I'm trying to illuminate physics through Julian's vision, which gestures at a logic beyond physical reductionism.

The Voice in the vision itself says of the Creation, "it ever lasteth, because God loves it." This is close to what Tom Wright means by the Christian doctrine of resurrection and "new creation". This isn't the universe returning to nothing, but finding it's fulfillment in the age to come.
Nobody knows the ultimate fate of the Universe right now, but we do know that this earth does eventually come to an end. But it is my belief that this will be before, what most people think is a 1,000 year rule and reign of Jesus Christ as our king bringing in a new earthly government that creates/produces a paradise earth, but that I think is a time period much, much longer than that (millions of years) but that will eventually have an end, and that this is when a "new heaven and a new earth" comes into play after that. Whether that will be this earth newly created or remade, or another earth-like planet elsewhere in the universe, I do not know, but eventually this earth will have an end that will be very much just as predicted by science, etc.

That's the 7th and very last day and age of this earth I believe, and there will be one very last judgment for everyone on, or that came from this earth after that, before either going to heaven, or a new earth. I also think that an entire earth-like planets entire existence, from it's beginning to it's ending, is a Grand Total of 7 different ages, or God the Father's "days", and that we've been on day 6 ever since the first land animals evolved/appeared on this earth, but that's a discussion for another time, etc.

But there are only two main judgements and two main resurrections that concern us here, one before Jesus quote/unquote "1,000 year rule and reign", again, that I think will be multiples of millions of years, and then a final resurrection/judgement at the end of that time, or quote/unquote "1,000 years", etc, and that after that will be a new, what I believe to be an intermediate heaven when it says new here when referring to this specific heaven, and a new earth, etc.

And the rest of what I believe can fill volumes if I was to try to give you all of the specfic details, and so I'm going to stop here (for now).

God Bless.
 
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Nobody knows the ultimate fate of the Universe right now, but we do know that this earth does eventually come to an end. But it is my belief that this will be before, what most people think is a 1,000 year rule and reign of Jesus Christ as our king bringing in a new earthly government that creates/produces a paradise earth, but that I think is a time period much, much longer than that (millions of years) but that will eventually have an end, and that this is when a "new heaven and a new earth" comes into play after that. Whether that will be this earth newly created or remade, or another earth-like planet elsewhere in the universe, I do not know, but eventually this earth will have an end that will be very much just as predicted by science, etc.

That's the 7th and very last day and age of this earth I believe, and there will be one very last judgment for everyone on, or that came from this earth after that, before either going to heaven, or a new earth. I also think that an entire earth-like planets entire existence, from it's beginning to it's ending, is a Grand Total of 7 different ages, or God the Father's "days", and that we've been on day 6 ever since the first land animals evolved/appeared on this earth, but that's a discussion for another time, etc.

But there are only two main judgements and two main resurrections that concern us here, one before Jesus quote/unquote "1,000 year rule and reign", again, that I think will be multiples of millions of years, and then a final resurrection/judgement at the end of that time, or quote/unquote "1,000 years", etc, and that after that will be a new, what I believe to be an intermediate heaven when it says new here when referring to this specific heaven, and a new earth, etc.

And the rest of what I believe can fill volumes if I was to try to give you all of the specfic details, and so I'm going to stop here (for now).

God Bless.
Jesus went to the very highest heaven, where the true Father God always is, has been, and always has dwelt, to one day return from there to start off or initiate the 7th day on this earth, but God in the OT hasn't been there or gone there yet, but is still here as the Spirit of Christ, or God the Holy Spirit under the New Covenant that was initiated by Jesus, but he will get to go there at the start of that 7th day when Jesus comes back from there to rule and reign on this earth for that 7th day, after which everyone will be resurrected/judged/brought back together in order to find out their very final fate after that, and there will be a new intermediate heaven, and a new earth.

Anyway, like I said, volumes, so I hope that's enough for right now, etc.

God Bless.
 
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This is entirely unrelated, but I just posted it to someone else elsewhere that was having questions about it, just in case it might help any of the rest of you, ok?

Here it is:

There are many aspects to God we cannot ever know or learn without first having experienced some suffering first, or in some cases, a lot of suffering first. That's why this here temporarily, etc. And why it all seems so very real to us right now temporarily, because that is also required in order to get what we need to get out of it first. It has to feel very, very real in order to get what we must get out of it before getting to go to heaven first (if that is each our own individual destinations, etc) but when we get to what is truly real, this will all pale in comparison then, or at that time, etc. So that all of our sufferings here, will only be like light, temporary, momentary afflictions once we are there, etc. But and/or again, it has to all feel very, very real in order for us to get what we have to get out of it first, but that will not seem real at all anymore once we are with God in heaven. I'll give you just one example among many, ok, for example, we can't ever know love without first having suffered or experienced some pain first, etc, not the real kind anyway, and that's just only one example among many, etc. That's why all of this here first that seems all so very, very real to us right now at first, etc, but really, it's not though, but we'll only get to realize/feel/experience that, only once we are in heaven after this, etc.

God Bless.
 
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This is entirely unrelated, but I just posted it to someone else elsewhere that was having questions about it, just in case it might help any of the rest of you, ok?

Here it is:

There are many aspects to God we cannot ever know or learn without first having experienced some suffering first, or in some cases, a lot of suffering first. That's why this here temporarily, etc. And why it all seems so very real to us right now temporarily, because that is also required in order to get what we need to get out of it first. It has to feel very, very real in order to get what we must get out of it before getting to go to heaven first (if that is each our own individual destinations, etc) but when we get to what is truly real, this will all pale in comparison then, or at that time, etc. So that all of our sufferings here, will only be like light, temporary, momentary afflictions once we are there, etc. But and/or again, it has to all feel very, very real in order for us to get what we have to get out of it first, but that will not seem real at all anymore once we are with God in heaven. I'll give you just one example among many, ok, for example, we can't ever know love without first having suffered or experienced some pain first, etc, not the real kind anyway, and that's just only one example among many, etc. That's why all of this here first that seems all so very, very real to us right now at first, etc, but really, it's not though, but we'll only get to realize/feel/experience that, only once we are in heaven after this, etc.

God Bless.
Oh, and this is in regard to what I previously said, not everybody will be taking part in the paradise earth on the 7th day, but if you've ever gone under anesthesia, then you'll know what I'm talking about with what I'm about to say, your death here can be made (by God) to be like a person about to put under anesthesia before having surgery, so that even the realization of dying can even be completely erased, and this can be for however long a time interval as God wants it to be, because some of us will only be resurrected/brought back again only during/at the very final and last resurrection at the end of the 7th and last day actually, that's when we'll all be gathered back together, because not everyone will get to take part in the 7th day, or is a part of the first resurrection actually, etc, and immediately following that after, is either another earth, and/or heaven after that, etc, if we get through the very final and last judgment at the end of the 7th day, etc.

God Bless.
 
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My guess is that in the intermediate heaven, which could be a part of this locale, or whatever, but, anyway, my guess is that in this intermediate heaven, which is a spirit realm between this physical realm and the highest heaven, anyway, that this is where God in the OT had his/it's beginnings, and also his angels, etc.

None of them were ever fully omniscient from the beginning, but that is reserved for the highest Father only, etc, but, my guess is that they are not, or were not always, fully omniscient beings, and that they had their beginnings with the beginnings or this solar system or this star, or star system maybe?

And that they had a hand in guiding the development/evolution of this star system maybe? And that they are bound to time, just like we are, etc. Only over very much longer periods of time, etc. Next, they are also here to grow/develop/learn/evolve also, etc. Only over much longer periods of time, etc. I think one of their first tasks was learning about manipulation of this systems basic elements, etc, until the earth came about, etc, and that their next task was life, and learning about life, etc, maybe even causing it to give birth or come about, etc.

After that, more complex life, and learning about those, and learning all they could about those, always growing in their own evolution/knowledge always along the way, eventually mastering all forms of life coming about by subtle manipulation of the elements and natural evolution, etc. Next comes the kicker, everything was very, very good and quite literally perfect up to this point, but once mastering them all, or all other forms of life, and learning all about all of their ways, they decided to make a very, very controversial move after that, and that was to create a special race/species of human(s) that would be much more directly formed/shaped by them that would be made "in their own likeness and image" and that would now directly reflect/mirror them.

"Mirror" being a good word for what they were about to do here, etc. These would not come about by much more natural processes, and would be separate from everything else that was still evolving on the earth, including a lesser species/race of humans that were starting to come about through much more natural evolutionary processes on the earth at that time, etc.

They made this specfic specially created species to eventually rule over all other life, including the lesser evolved humans. They created a special place to incubate them between there and then, except all did not go perfectly according to plan for one of the very first times in these spirit beings lives, etc. After that, plans had to continually change after this, or after this specially created humaniod species, and their descendants, started doing things that were unexpected, etc.

So, anyway, beings that directly mirrored/reflected them, is a very appropriate analogy, etc. It was probably a thing that only their very own overlords originally did with them, and they were now trying to do it with their own directly created beings, etc. That's when everything shifted or started to not always perfectly go to plan after that, etc, but really, it was just only a reflection on or about them, and maybe what they were doing with their own overlords/Gods at the time of deciding to make this special race/species of man (humans) maybe, etc.

That's enough for now.

Not enough volumes, etc.

First failure was Adam and Eve's disobedience. And the next failure was Adam and Eve's descendants disobedience by having sex with the lesser humans that had evolved naturally on the earth and having hybrid children. And then there were more and more failures after that continually after that, or after deciding to do what probably only their very own Gods/overlords had done with them maybe. A lesson or learning experience to be sure.

God Bless.
 
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Abraham's bosom and Hades could be located in this intermediate realm maybe, both time oriented, and bound to time, as previously explained. Why a Hades at all, and why allow some people to go there for what might be perhaps only temporarily maybe? Well, I think that's God's business personally, but it could be in order to get some of those people to repent or change their ways before the very final judgement maybe, but I don't really know, etc? But it's Gehenna for people after that that don't, and there's no second (or more) chances after that probably, or no coming back after that probably (I have some theories on what Gehenna actually is, and who it's really for, but I'll save that for another time) but, and as for Abraham's bosom, maybe they are destined to join some of the other people during the 7th day maybe, to be a part of the earth that will made into a paradise until the very final resurrection/judgement and the truly eternal heaven maybe, but I don't really know though, etc. Or some or all of them could stay there until the truly eternal heaven maybe, but I really don't know though really, etc. Some go to either one of those places until the very final resurrection/judgement (or some maybe the first one) and others, for lack of a better word, go to quote/unquote "sleep" (but it's not really "sleep" really) (previously explained) and it's all God and the spirit's businesses really, etc. Not all who sleep means they are all going to be judged favorably though, but my theory is that its just that maybe they just weren't meant to be a part of the first resurrection, or their ultimate final fate has already been judged/decided/fully known either way, and they just weren't meant to go to Abraham's bosom (or Hades) either, which will all be revealed to all of us at the very final last resurrection/judgement before the truly eternal heaven (or the other place), etc. That is in fact probably why some "sleep" until the very final and very last resurrection/judgement. But it's all God and the spirit's businesses until then, etc.

Anyway, just some more additional information, but there is even more additional information still yet, etc.

God Bless.
 
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