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Every church in America needs armed security

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I wouldn't attend a church that countenanced members bringing weapons to a church, I would not consider it a church in any meaningful sense. It is an ancient custom of Christians (and many other religions, including Islam) to prohibit weapons in places of worship.
We can go online and watch videos of people walking into a church and opening fire, only to be stopped by a worshipper there who was armed. The armed worshipper didn't make it any less of a church. But he undoubtedly saved many lives, and that has to have some value--even to those who don't like the idea of people being armed while in a church.
 
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We can go online and watch videos of people walking into a church and opening fire, only to be stopped by a worshipper there who was armed. The armed worshipper didn't make it any less of a church. But he undoubtedly saved many lives, and that has to have some value--even to those who don't like the idea of people being armed while in a church.

Those are all utilitarian arguments, none of which involve taking the sacramental and eschatological significance of church seriously.
 
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Not even if the only person allowed to have a weapon was police officer?
I just hate guns for personal reasons. I’m fine with police using them for official duties or responsible citizens using them for hunting for sustenance or protection.

Church doesn’t need deadly weapons, IMO.
 
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We can go online and watch videos of people walking into a church and opening fire, only to be stopped by a worshipper there who was armed. The armed worshipper didn't make it any less of a church. But he undoubtedly saved many lives, and that has to have some value--even to those who don't like the idea of people being armed while in a church.
Not only Churches, but schools, places of business. No one is safe from violence anymore. Should there be armed guards there as well?

What’s the solution?

I really, really wish I knew.

Sigh
 
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Those are all utilitarian arguments, none of which involve taking the sacramental and eschatological significance of church seriously.
How do you figure that?
 
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Not only Churches, but schools, places of business. No one is safe from violence anymore. Should there be armed guards there as well?

What’s the solution?

I really, really wish I knew.

Sigh
In many cases, yes. In fact, they already have. Take the Superbowl as an example. People go there to watch a football game and forget about the cares of life. But they also understand that they may not be safe there and don't mind having military grade security all around them as they are watching the game. There are some businesses such as banks and Jewelers who are easy targets if they are not armed.
 
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In many cases, yes. In fact, they already have. Take the Superbowl as an example. People go there to watch a football game and forget about the cares of life. But they also understand that they may not be safe there and don't mind having military grade security all around them as they are watching the game. There are some businesses such as banks and Jewelers who are easy targets if they are not armed.
It saddens me there is so much violence in this world. I wish somehow it can be reduced.

Sigh

I have no other words.

It’s so, so unfortunate.
 
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How do you figure that?
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Swiss guard.

They protect the Pope.

Must be male, single, faithful Catholic, have Swiss citizenship and other requirements, including age.
Had to show a Swiss guard a letter to get in the side entrance.
 
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I wouldn't attend a church that countenanced members bringing weapons to a church, I would not consider it a church in any meaningful sense. It is an ancient custom of Christians (and many other religions, including Islam) to prohibit weapons in places of worship.
That's interesting. Not questioning you on this, but do you have a cite handy?

It's really an interesting point in the US. There was a time when many attended church beneath the shadow of the scalping knife, and I have no idea if they went armed or not. My assumption is that most did, but that is only an assumption without any fact to back it up.
 
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