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Is this the real reality? What do you believe or think?
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If this were true you could be sure that I (if I still drank), would be thinking (intoxicating) very hard at bottles of water for a cheap night out.
And companies all over the world would save billions by thinking up all sorts of beverages.
And let’s not forget cures for what ails you by demand!
This is a stupid conversation and I feel more stupid for being part of it.
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Google is your friend.
Type in "can/do thoughts affect water" real quick, but you really should read post #68 first, etc.
It changed ice crystals in some cases, etc.
The Google search will give you the name of the Chinese/Japanese scientist who first did it/proposed it (and did it) and everything, etc. But it is considered psuedoscience right now though. Again, post #68.
Take Care.
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No, I didn't. In some cases the ice crystals were visibly changed supposedly by people's thoughts about the water, etc.
SEE POST #68!
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I’m sorry but that’s not evidence. ‘Man on internet makes claim’ is not evidence. You may as well say ‘’bloke in pub told me”.
That’s not evidence. It’s a crazy claim with no supporting evidence. Claims are not evidence. You cannot believe unevidenced claims.
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So the claim goes but there is no evidence for the claim.
Time Cube claims the world is a cube. Is that real too? If not why not?
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If you can do the google search with terms that *you know*, then you can put the most relevant part of the return into your post.
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I don't like posting just what I might think is relevant, or what I might like, especially when there are studies/evidence supporting it (or not supporting it) both ways depending on what you might pick or choose.
In that kind of situation I'd much rather you guys just do your own searches/source finding so you can check/evaluate the subject for yourselves and make up your own minds.
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That’s shame because you do raise interesting points. If you did share what convinced you more your threads would be far more productive.
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I had to look at it again when @Hans Blaster and I were talking about it, which led me to posting post #68, which will show what I think about it now really. So, right now, I guess I'm not really convinced either way right now, but just think that it could be possible maybe, etc. Or it might not be, etc. But right now, I'm not really convinced anymore now either way. If they did eventually find solid testable, proveable, repeatable evidence for something like that though, then that would really be something, right? But right now, no, I guess we really dont know/can't know for sure yet either way, but just stay open to the possibility maybe, because right now, we really don't know/can't know either way, etc.
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This was a whole side subject/side track from what I wanted this thread to be about though, which I would like to get back to sometime eventually?
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They did do these kinds of tests with water that seemed to change the ice crystals of those specific waters, but I guess they (those experiments) (or the results of those experiments) also couldn't be verified, which basically means that we still don't know yet either way, etc.
Anyway back to the original topic/OP.
Take Care.
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Since this is in a science forum the different types of realities encountered in science are as follows.
Different sciences use each type of reality to different degrees, in my own field of forensic engineering which falls in a branch of forensic science for each case the combination is different.
One particular example is wire corrosion causing a short circuit in the electrical system of an automobile.
| Reality Type | Ontological Status | What It Refers To | Role in Science | Example |
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| Empirical Reality | Mind-independent physical phenomena as observed/measured | Observable and measurable events | Provides evidence and constrains theories | Spectral lines, orbits, weather patterns |
| Mind-Independent Physical Reality | Fundamental ontological commitment | Physical entities and processes that exist independently of observers | Target of explanation | Atoms, electromagnetic fields, DNA, spacetime curvature |
| Effective / Emergent Reality | Scale-relative physical reality | Higher-level phenomena arising from lower-level physics | Enables tractable explanations at appropriate scales | Temperature, pressure, corrosion rate, natural selection |
| Model / Idealized Reality | Representational / epistemic | Simplified constructed representations of systems | Prediction, mechanism isolation, theory testing | Ideal gas, frictionless plane, point mass, simplified circuit model |
| Mathematical Reality (within scientific use) | Abstract formal structure (ontological status debated philosophically) | Mathematical frameworks used to describe physical systems | Ensures logical consistency and predictive power | Differential equations, Hilbert spaces, tensor fields |
Different sciences use each type of reality to different degrees, in my own field of forensic engineering which falls in a branch of forensic science for each case the combination is different.
One particular example is wire corrosion causing a short circuit in the electrical system of an automobile.
| Scientific Reality Type | Relevant to Wire Corrosion? | How It Appears in the Investigation | Example |
|---|---|---|---|
| Empirical Reality | ✅ Yes (Foundational) | Establishes that failure actually occurred and characterizes it | SEM images, pitting, verdigris, resistance increase |
| Mind-Independent Physical Reality | ✅ Yes (Core Ontology) | Describes the causal mechanisms degrading the wire | Electrochemical oxidation of Cu → Cu²⁺, galvanic coupling, moisture ingress |
| Effective / Emergent Reality | ✅ Yes (Engineering Scale) | Captures macroscopic behavior without atomistic detail | Corrosion rate, conductivity degradation, failure threshold |
| Model / Idealized Reality | ✅ Yes (Representational Tool) | Simplifies environment to isolate variables | Creation of artificial environment to reproduce problem under high temperature, humidity and voltage conditions |
| Mathematical Reality | ⚠ Not Relevant | Not applicable | Not applicable |
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If God is talking about astrophysics, the primitive scribes writing the message would not get it and could only try their best to write down what they're hearing that people of their time might understand. The many modern terminologies for science does not exist in their vocabulary back then.
Even just few centuries ago, galaxies were referred to as universe itself or "island universes".
There's volumes of knowledge in astrophysics alone and you can't expect them to all fit in just few chapters of Genesis. Eventually, you'll have no other choice but look to science.
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I wouldn't separate the two so simply. 'Science' is ignorant, so far. It doesn't explain anything. It just helps us think about things. Genesis does fit all facts, no matter how far 'science' goes. God being God, he 'invented' the whole business.
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I wouldn't even think God "talked" to them, but used His usual method of showing them a vision without narrative and letting them translate the vision into their own Bronze Age concepts.
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I've read Genesis. There is no astrophysics in it, nor anything even remotely resembling astrophysics.
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In the world I'm familiar with which is geology, science has been able to explain quite a bit. The thing is, what the Earth itself is showing us paints a very different picture than what Genesis show.
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