Call upon the Name of the Lord and you shall be Saved.

Jeffrey Bowden · Tuesday at 4:25 PM

Dan Perez said:
And Eph 1:4 JUT AS CHOSE. /// EKLEGOMAI. us for HIMSELF BEFORE //. PRO. the over throw of bv the world

and Christ does not make MISTAKES. !!

dan p

Keras, you are making up what Revelation 13:8b-9 says.

The whole purpose of the 144k is to save millions of unbelievers in the Trib who repent and accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior.

That includes the GT as proven by "scorching heat" in Rev 7:16. That scorching heat occurs in the 4th bowl --- the GT.

Dan Perez · Tuesday at 4:43 PM

Jeffrey Bowden said:
Keras, you are changing the meaning of Matt 24:31. It does NOT say where those folks are gathered to.

The best guess is they are the sheep in Matt 25:31-40.

Keras, Apostle John was shown a supernatural vision of each chapter of Rev. He wrote each chapter according to what he saw and heard in each supernatural scene.

John confirmed how he learned all of Rev in Rev 22:8 (ESV): I, John, am the one who heard and saw these things. And when I heard and saw them, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who showed them to me,

It is thereby proven, in John's own words, that Rev 4:1 is unfulfilled and will therefore serve as the pre-Trub rapture of the Church.

And I checked 1 Peter 4:12 ans did not see a mention of a SIX. SEAL so where are youn. hiding behind. IT . ??

dan p

Jeffrey Bowden · Tuesday at 5:57 PM

Dan Perez said:
And I checked 1 bbPeter 4:12 ans did not see a mention of a SIXE SEAL so where are youn. hiding behind. IT B. ??

dan p

Dan Perez said:
And I checked 1 Peter 4:12 ans did not see a mention of a SIX. SEAL so where are youn. hiding behind. IT . ??

dan p

Keras isn't hiding anything other than the tremendous extent that he makes things up.

He's a Preterist. Their whole belief system is made up.

Jeffrey Bowden · Tuesday at 8:08 PM

keras said:
It is not anything of the kind. Just Gods call to John for him to receive Revelation.
You constantly show your bias and wrong beliefs. We all must endure trials and testing, the Lord will try and Judge everyone.

Keras, you're apparently forgetting what John said about how he received Revelation.

Rev 22:8 (ESV): I, John, am the one who heard and saw these things. And when I heard and saw them, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who showed them to me,

He said twice that he "heard and saw" these things. He was on Patmos the whole time and heard and saw by way of a supernatural education. He heard and saw specifically through a vision that included audio of each chapter in Rev.

John never left Patmos because he didn't have to, to absorb and write Rev.

Rev 4:1 is unfulfilled and it will serve as the pre-Trib rapture of the Church.

Jeffrey Bowden · Wednesday at 2:02 PM

keras said:
It is not anything of the kind. Just Gods call to John for him to receive Revelation.
You constantly show your bias and wrong beliefs. We all must endure trials and testing, the Lord will try and Judge everyone.

Keras, you're violating Rev 3:10 (ESV): Because you have kept my word about patient endurance, I will keep you from the hour of trial that is coming on the whole world, to try those who dwell on the earth.

"You" represents believers. "Those" represents unbelievers.

Jesus said all believers will be kept from the Trib, and that all unbelievers will be tried in the Trib.

Jesus says you're wrong.

Jeffrey Bowden · Wednesday at 7:16 PM

keras said:
It is not anything of the kind. Just Gods call to John for him to receive Revelation.
You constantly show your bias and wrong beliefs. We all must endure trials and testing, the Lord will try and Judge everyone.

Believers do not enter the Trib (Rev 3:10). We are judged immediately after the pre-Trib rapture (Rev 4:1; 2 Tim 4:8). 1 Th 4:17 sets up our in-the-air positioning for the Judgment Seat of Christ (2 Cor 5:10).

keras · Wednesday at 9:58 PM

In ancient Israel, we see the type of modern day religion called the Church who, by allowing the carnal mind and man’s deceitful doctrines to replace the things that God has purposed for His people, they have lost sight of God’s purpose to have a people who would be a light to the nations and His witnesses. Isaiah 49:8, Matthew 5:14-16, & Isaiah 43:10, John 15:27

The church is the field where Christ is planted as a seed and His people are the wheat. So, it is within the church that Satan has also planted the tares, the seed of modern day carnal religions, where all have been growing together until the coming time of harvest. Satan’s deceptions and false theories are evident in the carnal corruption that has poisoned the Churches with deception and death.
However; the harvest time has the tares receiving judgment and a removal from the church. Matthew 13:39-43, Matthew 3:12, Revelation 14:14-16

The wheat and tares stay together until maturity.
Maturity first reveals the corruption and then the removal of the wicked.
With the removal of the wicked fruit, the righteous fruit will shine
forth as the sun, a Church without spot or blemish.

This separation is clearly Prophesied in Ezekiel 20:33-38:
The faithful Christian citizens of the new nation of Beulah, Isaiah 62:1-5, will live in peace and prosperity, in all the area of the Holy Land. The rest of the world will be under a One World Government, which will quickly be taken over by one powerful and charismatic leader.

Many Prophesies graphically describe the outcome, culminating in the Battle of Armageddon; with Satan imprisoned and King Jesus reigning on earth for the next thousand years.

Arctangent · Thursday at 6:19 AM

bling said:
What does it mean to "Call on the name of the Lord"?

That phrase is used throughout the Old Testament, and in almost every instance it is in the context of an altar and an offering (which is the Scriptural paradigm of worship).

So, it is not referring generically to "calling out to God," but rather refers to approaching God through an act of worship; usually as opposed to approaching someone/something else through an act of worship.

keras · Thursday at 1:24 PM

Arctangent said:
That phrase is used throughout the Old Testament, and in almost every instance it is in the context of an altar and an offering (which is the Scriptural paradigm of worship).

So, it is not referring generically to "calling out to God," but rather refers to approaching God through an act of worship; usually as opposed to approaching someone/something else through an act of worship.

But the three specific instances of - Call upon the Name of the Lord and you shall be saved, are in the context of the Lords Day of fiery wrath.
Why do people want to make that Call anything less?

ARBITER01 · Thursday at 4:54 PM

keras said:
What should be patently obvious, is all this has nothing to do with our Salvation, or the glorious Return of King Jesus. It all refers to the next Prophesied event; the Sixth Seal Day of the Lords vengeance and wrath, graphically described in over 100 Prophesies. Just as the sequence in Revelation shows us.

First the great test of our faith, a Day of worldwide disaster which will destroy our modern infrastructure, along with the destruction of all the ungodly peoples in the Holy Land. Then: further testing and the punishment of those who follow the ‘beast’= Satan, in the Great Tribulation of the 7 Trumpets and 7 Bowls.

Only those peoples who have proved their faith will go with Jesus into the Millennium.

You know what, I think you're right, you should keep trying to prove your faith with Jesus. You're doing just fine.

Arctangent · Thursday at 6:28 PM

keras said:
But the three specific instances of - Call upon the Name of the Lord and you shall be saved, are in the context of the Lords Day of fiery wrath.
Why do people want to make that Call anything less?

Romans 10 and Acts 2 are both citing the same passage in Joel, and it is special pleading to claim that its usage in Joel is something different from all the other instances of its use throughout the rest of the Old Testament.

keras · Thursday at 8:01 PM

Come you peoples and listen, let the earth and all that is in it, listen:
Listen in silence before the Lord, all you who live in the coasts and islands and together we shall go to the place of judgement. For the Lord’s anger is against all the nations, His wrath is against their military power and He gives them over to death and destruction.

The Lord says: Woe for the Day, the Day is near, a Day of reckoning for the nations. The Day comes, burning like a furnace, all the arrogant and evildoers will become as stubble, that Day will set them ablaze, they will be no more.

My great sword of slaughter will appear in the heavens, it will descend in judgement onto all the world’s peoples. On that Day, the sky will be split apart with a great rushing sound and a fiery tempest will devour all the peoples doomed for destruction.
In the Lord’s fury and anger, He tramples down the nations, He shakes the places of the godless peoples and sweeps away their leaders with His flashing arrows.

But the Lord goes forth to save His people, on the Day that He makes the sun to shine seven times stronger, on His Day of wrath, as He sieves out the nations for destruction. For The Great Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath has come and who can stand?
References: Isaiah 41:1, Ezekiel 30:2-3, Malachi 4:1, Isaiah 34:1-6, 2 Peter 3:10, Habakkuk 3:6-15, Isaiah 30:26-28, Zephaniah 1:14-18, Joel 1:15, Revelation 6:17

Make no mistake, this event WILL happen and as we see in our day, the stage is set: with worldwide natural disasters and manmade insurmountable problems and it is evident to all that a dramatic worldwide change will occur very soon. We who study Bible prophecies are in the unique position of being able to know what and when this great change to the world will be. Amos 3:7, Revelation 1:1
Unfortunately far too many Christians won’t know and will be taken by surprise, because they haven’t read the prophecies correctly or have been misled by their pastors and by the many so called prophecy gurus.

Isaiah 26:11 Lord, Your hand is lifted high, but Your enemies do not see it or how You will protect Your people. Let the fire reserved for Your enemies consume them!
This applies specifically to those nations and entities who conspire to annihilate Israel. Psalm 83:1-18, Ezekiel 30:4-5, Jeremiah 49:35-37, Amos 1:3-15, Revelation 14:17-20

We must all pray fervently for the Lord’s protection on this terrible Day, but also we see that we must be proactive and be prepared for our own safety.
Isaiah 26:20-21 Go My people, enter your shelters and shut the doors after you, keep under cover for a little while until the Lord’s wrath has passed. The Lord is coming to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their sins.

Jeremiah 6:25 Do not go outside, do not walk on the road, for the Destroyer, with sword in hand spreads terror all around.

Proverbs 3:25-26 Do not be afraid when fools are frightened or when destruction overtakes the wicked, for the Lord will be at your side on that Day.

Lost4words · Thursday at 9:19 PM

Much worse times have passed than what is going on in the world now.....in those times I bet people thought the end times was near!!

Only God knows the date and time....

Throughout the past man has badly misinterpreted scripture....and so it continues today!

Jeffrey Bowden · Thursday at 9:59 PM

(staff edit)

We believers never enter the Trib. Only unbelievers enter the Trib. Jesus said so in Rev 3:10 (ESV):
Because you have kept my word about patient endurance, I will keep you from the hour of trial that is coming on the whole world, to try those who dwell on the earth.

In the verse above, "you" represents believers. "Those" represents unbelievers.

Jesus said all believers will be kept from the Trib, and that all unbelievers will be tried in the Trib.

Jeffrey Bowden · Friday at 9:27 AM

keras said:
I threaten no one.
It is just those whose false beliefs are challenged and proved wrong with scripture, who get all upset.. They can't refute the Prophets, so they shoot the messenger. They will have to answer for it to the Lord.

Keras, let's see your refutation to this:

Rev 3:10 says believers will be kept from the Trib, that will come over the whole world. Additionally, only unbelievers will enter the Trib and be tried by God's 21 judgments of wrath.

keras · Friday at 2:45 PM

(Staff edit)
I like your bylines.
I know the Lord has much for me to do yet.

Jeffrey Bowden said:
Rev 3:10 says believers will be kept from the Trib, that will come over the whole world.

How do Revelation 3:10 and 1 Thessalonians 5:9 say we are to be ‘kept from the hour of trial’ and ‘not destined for retribution’?

They are in the context of: Hold on to what you have, [your faith] let no one rob you of your crown. [your reward] Keep sober, armed with faith and love…..continue to encourage one another.

When we examine the Greek word ‘peirasmos’, translated as ‘trial’ in Rev. 3, we see it doesn’t match with ‘thlipsis’, used in Matthew 24:21; which refers to the Great Tribulation. 1 Thess. 5 is in the context of a sudden destruction the Lord is going to send upon the ungodly peoples. We should not be in the dark about it, knowing what it will be and be prepared for it, spiritually and physically.

For those who stand firm in faith and love, there are two theories. One is a rapture removal to heaven, the other is the Lord’s protection during that time of trouble.
I discount the rapture because such a thing as a general removal of the Lord’s people has never happened before, the Israelites and how Christians have always had to face attacks, persecution and disasters. God doesn’t change, Malachi 3:6, and what happened in the past was symbolic and examples for us, upon whom the end of the age is coming: 1 Corinthians 10:6 Besides the fact that a mass rapture of Christians to heaven in the end times, is nowhere prophesied or found in the Bible.

Protection does have a precedent; the three men in the furnace, Daniel 3:19-27 But scriptures like Psalms 23 and Isaiah 43:2 ….walk thru fire and you will not be scorched…. plus over 30 other prophesies assuring safety and protection through what is to come. Jesus prayed for this in John 17:15 and promises like; Zephaniah 2:3, 2 Peter 2:9, Psalms 91:1-16, Jeremiah 17:7-8, Isaiah 26:20 are a great comfort and support when trouble strikes.

It’s simple, really; we are plainly told what to do on the terrible Day of the Lord: Call upon the Name of the Lord and you will be saved. Joel 2:32, Acts 2:21
NOT removed but protected, to continue on serving the Lord on earth.

Dan Perez · Friday at 3:55 PM

Jeffrey Bowden said:
(staff edit)

We believers never enter the Trib. Only unbelievers enter the Trib. Jesus said so in Rev 3:10 (ESV):
Because you have kept my word about patient endurance, I will keep you from the hour of trial that is coming on the whole world, to try those who dwell on the earth.

In the verse above, "you" represents believers. "Those" represents unbelievers.

Jesus said all believers will be kept from the Trib, and that all unbelievers will be tried in the Trib.

And do you mean. , like 2 Tim 2:17. and 18. that HYMENAEUS AND PHILETUS. saying the RESSURRECTION HAS

already happened. and over throw the FAITH OF SOME !!

dan p

bling · Friday at 4:00 PM

Arctangent said:
That phrase is used throughout the Old Testament, and in almost every instance it is in the context of an altar and an offering (which is the Scriptural paradigm of worship).

So, it is not referring generically to "calling out to God," but rather refers to approaching God through an act of worship; usually as opposed to approaching someone/something else through an act of worship.

OK, includes worshipping.

Jeffrey Bowden · Friday at 7:44 PM

keras said:
I like your bylines.
I know the Lord has much for me to do yet.

How do Revelation 3:10 and 1 Thessalonians 5:9 say we are to be ‘kept from the hour of trial’ and ‘not destined for retribution’?

They are in the context of: Hold on to what you have, [your faith] let no one rob you of your crown. [your reward] Keep sober, armed with faith and love…..continue to encourage one another.

When we examine the Greek word ‘peirasmos’, translated as ‘trial’ in Rev. 3, we see it doesn’t match with ‘thlipsis’, used in Matthew 24:21; which refers to the Great Tribulation. 1 Thess. 5 is in the context of a sudden destruction the Lord is going to send upon the ungodly peoples. We should not be in the dark about it, knowing what it will be and be prepared for it, spiritually and physically.

For those who stand firm in faith and love, there are two theories. One is a rapture removal to heaven, the other is the Lord’s protection during that time of trouble.
I discount the rapture because such a thing as a general removal of the Lord’s people has never happened before, the Israelites and how Christians have always had to face attacks, persecution and disasters. God doesn’t change, Malachi 3:6, and what happened in the past was symbolic and examples for us, upon whom the end of the age is coming: 1 Corinthians 10:6 Besides the fact that a mass rapture of Christians to heaven in the end times, is nowhere prophesied or found in the Bible.

Protection does have a precedent; the three men in the furnace, Daniel 3:19-27 But scriptures like Psalms 23 and Isaiah 43:2 ….walk thru fire and you will not be scorched…. plus over 30 other prophesies assuring safety and protection through what is to come. Jesus prayed for this in John 17:15 and promises like; Zephaniah 2:3, 2 Peter 2:9, Psalms 91:1-16, Jeremiah 17:7-8, Isaiah 26:20 are a great comfort and support when trouble strikes.

It’s simple, really; we are plainly told what to do on the terrible Day of the Lord: Call upon the Name of the Lord and you will be saved. Joel 2:32, Acts 2:21
NOT removed but protected, to continue on serving the Lord on earth.

Rev 3:10 (ESV): Because you have kept my word about patient endurance, I will keep you from the hour of trial that is coming on the whole world, to try those who dwell on the earth.

Rev 4:1 is unfulfilled. We are removed from Earth and taken to Heaven by Rev 4:1.

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