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God's position is what matters. Those outside of Christ are lost on the broad road that leads to destruction. I learned that from Jesus.
If you replace the melodramatic science fiction term with the realistic biblical term of lost, then yes, I believe what the Bible says about those who are outside of Christ who are lost.
I don't have a church. The Church belongs to Christ. Therefore if Christ doesn't condone it, then His Church shouldn't condone it. Much less advocate, defend, and celebrate it.
How is it supposed to be expressed according to everything that Christ taught?
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I don't see that a gay Christian or even a gay Minister as being secular. Far from it. Both worship Jesus. And one even teaches Jesus. But along the same lines, I'm also unable to see the empathy that a Church might feel for those whom their religion has oppressed and wanting to correct that wrong as being a bad thing. Where I sit is that I don't think anyone can follow Christ with out opening their heart to Humanity. That's what Jesus taught us. The Gay community is part of Humanity. And God's Love rain's down upon each and everyone of us.
Since I said Therefore if Christ doesn't condone it, then His Church shouldn't condone it - it should be blatantly obvious that I would not attended a church that condoned it. Therefore you're conclusion is ridiculous.
What's secular is mainstreaming LGBTQQIP2SA+ into Christianity ie making it an aspect of Christianity.
It's not a flat out yes or no question.
And you're determined to claim that result no matter what, right?
The general claim is that Christians are supposed to have empathy. And that empathy is supposed to result in Christians accepting, endorsing, advocating, defending, indulging and even celebrating LGBTQQIP2SA+. It's all about manipulation and gaslighting.For me, it would be something along the lines of what I explained in a post over in another related thread on empathy:
Empathy
I'm not an 'empathy only' moralist. Rather, I'm a 'compassion first' existentialist. I've always had a hard time figuring out which philosophical box I fit into, but 'compassion first' existentialism would seem to suit me quite nicely... then again I'm probably too dim-witted to even know what...
This is real simple. The word empathy is being misused. It's being misused to guilt Christians into going along with what the secular world wants. It's very sly, very clever, very deceptive. And that should be very obvious. And it probably is to most everyone. But there are Christians who welcome secularism. They want to have it both ways. They want secularized Christianity.I don't think the usual use and denotation of empathy carries the connotations that some folks think it does. When I look at the usual reportage in the dictionaries, I'm not seeing much of anything that suggests 'endorsement' of other folks immorality or sin---or whatnot--- as a part of that disposition.
Definition of EMPATHY
the action of understanding, being aware of, being sensitive to, and vicariously experiencing the feelings, thoughts, and experience of another; also : the capacity for this… See the full definitionwww.merriam-webster.com
Let's be frank: it isn't really empathy that's the problem. It's the political ideology behind the current revision of empathy that is the problem, and the culprit is usually some form of anti-Christian antipathy that seeks to undermine the presence of the Christian faith in society at large.
We all know this. So, as it stands, we who are Christian need to not only learn to better empathize with other people who are suffering, but sympathize and even transcend mere empathy and sympathy by expressing genuine compassion------like Jesus did.
Somehow, though, where politics comes into play, many who identify themselves as Christian excuse themselves from compassion by attacking a 'toxic empathy.' Maybe they need to lay out more precisely what non-toxic empathy is? Then again, maybe they need to acknowledge the need for showing compassion and lay out what they think that is?
