Militant Empathy

[Landon Caeli]

This is the kind of empathy that damages society, IMO. When liberal states pass laws.that require compliance like this, or face fines - they break trust, and cause an imbalance that hurts the country.

Here, we have Dominican Sister's caring for the sick and terminally ill, totally free without accepting any money, and the government is forcing obligations onto them, and threatening them:

A press release from the Catholic Benefits Association said the New York State Department of Health sent the first in a series of "Dear Administrator" letters to the Hawthorne Dominicans' Rosary Hill Home, a 42-bed facility, on March 18, 2024.

The letters listed New York’s demands and included a training curriculum "requiring the sisters to align patient care and the training of their sisters and employees with the State’s gender ideology."

If the Dominican Sisters of Hawthorne do not comply, they face fines up to $2,000 per violation — rising to $5,000 — court-ordered forced compliance, loss of licensing and up to one year in prison and fines up to $10,000.

In their lawsuit, the sisters highlighted that during the four-year reporting period from Feb. 1, 2022, through Jan. 31, 2026, the New York State Department of Health had received "zero complaints" from Rosary Hill Home residents"

Catholic nuns caring for dying patients fight New York trans rule, face jail time

Catholic nuns sue New York over a law requiring nursing homes to follow gender identity rules, saying it forces them to choose faith or mission.

www.foxnews.com

 

[Landon Caeli]

...Key lesson. If you're pushing empathy like a bully, you've lost your way.

 

[Tropical Wilds]

Key lesson: if you are providing medical, palliative, or personal care, you must meet base standards consistent with standard practice and accepted baseline medical knowledge.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Key lesson: if you are providing medical, palliative, or personal care, you must meet base standards consistent with standard practice and accepted baseline medical knowledge.

Perhaps to some extent it would be good if they could extend some extra consideration of grace, BUT at the same time, this is a Roman Catholic facility, not a secular one.

https://rosaryhillhome.org/about-us

 

[Tropical Wilds]

Perhaps to some extent it would be good if they could extend some extra consideration of grace, BUT at the same time, this is a Roman Catholic facility, not a secular one.

https://rosaryhillhome.org/about-us

Healthcare is a secular concern. Having a faith that runs counter to current baselines does not excuse ignoring standards of care.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Healthcare is a secular concern. Having a faith that runs counter to current baselines does not excuse ignoring standards of care.

Which specific baselines are being ignored in this particular case?

 

[Landon Caeli]

Key lesson: if you are providing medical, palliative, or personal care, you must meet base standards consistent with standard practice and accepted baseline medical knowledge.

They're caring for the dying, and refusing all monetary compensation... The alternative is that they stop doing it. How is that "helpful"?

 

[Paidiske]

Which specific baselines are being ignored in this particular case?

The part where the sisters don't want to "allow expression, relationships and identity practices," for a start.

It's not up to people providing care to allow (or forbid) someone's relationships or gender expression. That's not care; that's a form of abuse.

It's absolutely reasonable for Catholic (or other faith-based) health care providers to refuse to do things which they believe to be wrong. So, for example, I'll absolutely back the right of a Catholic doctor not to conduct abortions. But it's also absolutely reasonable for the state to require health care providers not to operate in a way demonstrated to be harmful.

 

[Landon Caeli]

The part where the sisters don't want to "allow expression, relationships and identity practices," for a start.

It's not up to people providing care to allow (or forbid) someone's relationships or gender expression. That's not care; that's a form of abuse.

Did the sisters actually say that though? Or are they opposed to the cruel, bullish letter that's forcing them to take classes and certify them on something, or face fines or imprisonment?

You see, the point of this thread is to discuss the topic of "militant empathy", where people are being forced against their will to do things for the sake of empathy, or be punished.

We've argued before about what is or isn't empathetic, but more specifically, I'd like to discuss being bullied by those who are espousing empathy. That's a problem too, worth looking at, because you're spreading the idea of twisting people's arm by force for compliance... And that's not very nice.

 

[Paidiske]

Did the sisters actually say that though? Or are they opposed to the cruel, bullish letter that's forcing them to take classes and certify them on something, or face fines or imprisonment?

It's healthcare. Everyone has to be certified and take classes and demonstrate competence and compliance on all sorts of things. (Heck, I have to do that to be a chaplain in a hospital). It's part of how we keep vulnerable people safe.

You see, the point of this thread is to discuss the topic of "militant empathy", where people are being forced against their will to do things for the sake of empathy, or be punished.

You're claiming it's for the sake of empathy. I think that's significantly misrepresenting the situation.

 

[Paidiske]

You don't feel like the gender training is a little excessive?

I haven't seen the content, so I can't comment on whether it is too much. But I don't think the fact of its existence is excessive.

Seriously, I know people would rather brush this off, but I'm not joking around saying I've had enough, and it's time to reel some of this nonsense back in.

Thank goodness our legal and safety frameworks in healthcare aren't based on whether someone has "had enough."

 

[Tropical Wilds]

They're caring for the dying, and refusing all monetary compensation... The alternative is that they stop doing it. How is that "helpful"?

Delivering sub-optimal care is not helpful.

 

[Landon Caeli]

I'll never be able to accept the authoritarianism of the left.

 

[Landon Caeli]

Thank goodness our legal and safety frameworks in healthcare aren't based on whether someone has "had enough."

Well, it's more than someone.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

The part where the sisters don't want to "allow expression, relationships and identity practices," for a start.

It's not up to people providing care to allow (or forbid) someone's relationships or gender expression. That's not care; that's a form of abuse.

It's absolutely reasonable for Catholic (or other faith-based) health care providers to refuse to do things which they believe to be wrong. So, for example, I'll absolutely back the right of a Catholic doctor not to conduct abortions. But it's also absolutely reasonable for the state to require health care providers not to operate in a way demonstrated to be harmful.

While the social advocate part of me wants to agree with you, the critical philosopher part of me wants to affirm that what's truly and absolutely "reasonable" will only be known on Judgment Day.

 

[Paidiske]

While the social advocate part of me wants to agree with you, the critical philosopher part of me wants to affirm that what's truly and absolutely "reasonable" will only be known on Judgment Day.

I take your point, but in the meantime, we can't be paralysed by a sort of apophatic approach to ethics.

 

[Landon Caeli]

I take your point, but in the meantime, we can't be paralysed by a sort of apophatic approach to ethics.

The country is suffering over here. And the conflict between much of Europe revolves around stuff like this, you know.

...The way I see it, when a lot of chaos results from something, usually it's not part of the Natural Law. Not sure if your denomination considers the Natural Law to be the precursor to Eternal Law, but mine does.

...And when we see something in nature going wrong, we can kinda see that it's not part of the plan.

https://share.google/fJVkCOIgtZIJfQY7x

 

[Paidiske]

The country is suffering over here.

That is visible even from Australia.

What comes across as a much less readily evident claim, is the idea that it's suffering due to standards in healthcare.

 

[Landon Caeli]

That is visible even from Australia.

What comes across as a much less readily evident claim, is the idea that it's suffering due to standards in healthcare.

Uh, healthcare isn't the topic.

 

[Paidiske]

Uh, healthcare isn't the topic.

Your article in the OP is about laws regulating healthcare standards.