Is this the real reality? What do you believe or think?

Larniavc said:

But if it’s the only one we have access to why is it important beyond idle speculation?

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For Christians, it's because our scripture tells us that there is reality beyond our perception. However, I will agree that we speculate on it more than we should, and it's not beneficial to insist that our speculation is dogma.

I worked for a commander once, Admiral Lowell Jacoby, who said to me, "Tell me what you know then tell me what you think, but be sure to tell me the difference." What we know, what we think, and the ability to discern between them is a profound concept.

Neogaia777 said:

Possible if the program/simulation has already allowed for it, and has already anticipated/fully prepared for/allowed for it already, etc.

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Are you using “program/ simulation” language as analogy? Or do you imagine a giant computer and programmer?

Neogaia777 said:

Alot of people say that you can't prove that there are other places other than this, and that whether there is or not is a matter of whether you think there is or not, or what you believe, and I think that they are correct in that mostly really, and that it really does just come down to what you think, or a choice to believe it or not actually, etc.

Personally, I think there is, or at least could be, and this is for a lot of reasons, most of which most of you probably won't believe, so I'm going to try to stick to just only the ones that you maybe can believe maybe, ok.

I don't think this is the real reality, and that what each of us is, goes well beyond this actually, etc. I think that this reality is just a sub-set of another reality which is the real reality, etc. That this is more like a program, or simulation, and that most of what we see/experience here is only temporary, and that this is not the greatest or highest reality, but is only a part or sub-set of that other reality, etc. Also that this reality is deterministic also actually, etc. And that some of us maybe even had a pre-existence before this maybe, but that memory of only just fails us right now currently, etc, but that also might be re-restored upon re-entering maybe. There are a lot of possibilities, etc.

Why this reality or our temporary existence here is another discussion for another time, although I do think I have some answers for that though actually.

Anyway, what do you think?

Can you exercise some sort of faith/belief that this reality might not be the only reality, or the highest or greatest reality? Or at least allow for the possibility of that maybe?

What do you think?

Take Care/God Bless.

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Id imagine we can never be assured, but Christians as well as other faiths who believe
The Bible would likely not think there are any
Other existences of any other form of life, and personally i dont, or God wouldnt have to have hidden other forms of life in being impossible
To get to, you see what im saying?

Our forms of life are in the world, not outside
Of it, although we are in an age where we
Walked on the moon, imho, means nothing
With regard to any life forms.

Maybe people who have no faith or little faith
Might still think that other life forms may have
Such Different psysiologies then our bodies
Could still exist, but all forms of life must breath, right, or their not living like we are..

Neogaia777 said:

Google it. You can probably find it using Google.

Take Care.

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Your statement made no sense or contact with reality. I'm not going to go hunting for something when I don't even know what I am looking for.

Neogaia777 said:

Look at superposition and such at the quantum level.

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This doesn't mean what you think it means. There is nothing fancy about superposition; photosynthesising plants do it all the time to leverage energy production in chlorophyl. Do plants relay on other realities?

Neogaia777 said:

Google.

Can thoughts change water?

What happens when you 100% believe something? Will it happen, etc?

It's not magic, but is just part of how the quantum realm operates. It is very, very much connected to thoughts, and intentionality, and alignment. Can change/alter some molecular structures sometimes, etc.

Take Care.

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So I just spent some time googling. There is no evidence that thoughts can change water. Thoughts do not have a magical effect on reality. If wishes were fishes, etc.

RDKirk said:

I worked for a commander once, Admiral Lowell Jacoby, who said to me, "Tell me what you know then tell me what you think, but be sure to tell me the difference." What we know, what we think, and the ability to discern between them is a profound concept.

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As an epistemological solipsist for over fifty years I can assure you that people fail miserably at those two things... but understandably so. If we had to rationalize everything we believed, even to ourselves, we'd of gone stark raving mad a long, long time ago. It's best just to believe what you believe without having to explain why... that's what a God of the gaps is for.

Neogaia777 said:

See post #47

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Nope, that's just more of this claim...

Neogaia777 said:

Thoughts have been shown to change water molecules, which is a lot of reality already, etc. Also been shown that some pretty amazing things can also happen, when you 100% believe something, etc.

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that I responded before. It was the closest thing I found in your whole thread to making something resembling sense that I could even ask a question about it. You've made a specific claim about water molecules. I'm not sure how it could possibly be true (thoughts are patterns of activity in neurons).

What kind of "changes" are you talking about?
How can the "changes" be measured?
What is the physical mechanism for these "changes"?

Neogaia777 said:

I don't care if you do or not though.

Head in the sand is fine with me.

I deal with it/that all of the time.

Take Care.

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Informing you that your claims are nonsense/unsupported is not "head in the sand". If you want anyone to think it is anything other than gibberish you need to provide evidence in support.

Neogaia777 said:

Look at superposition and such at the quantum level.

Much that happens/is happening at the quantum level indicates or supports that this reality could be much like a simulation or computer program.

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I think the strongest possiblity of the simulation theory is the fact that quantum level structures are impossibly resistant or stubborn from losing integrity.

For example, there can never be a true zero vacuum energy state. Equations hold the position such state is impossible to achieve. But if you can miraculously able to, reality at the site would cease to exist and possibly as if it never existed at all. Such event can potentially lead to catastrophic paradoxes. Another potential outcome is creating a rapidly expanding "bubble" in space with altered reality state that could terminate all life in it.

It's probably why nature won't allow you do such thing in the first place due to potentially catastrophic results.

It's analogous to data/information integrity systems used by Hard Disk Drives to automatically "map out" bad sectors in the HDD without losing data integrity. The process is completely invisible to the user unless the user run a diagnostic software -we don't have such thing for the Universe.

Bad sectors can corrupt important files or even cause the computer to fail booting if there's too many of them.

For all we know, "true zero vacuum" energy state may be occurring comparable to bad sectors in a hard drive and the Universe is mapping them out seamlessly. Ofc, there's absolutely no way to know nor detect it. If they could happen, spacetime would instantly fill in the "deleted" structure like it never existed. If they never existed, we won't even know what to look for in the first place.

But if this is indeed a simulation and we are AI, it might be worth trying to attempt to smash reality at the quantum level. It might catch "someone's" attention, hook things up to a network offering a chance of escape? Worst case scenario, we'e all dead the next moment or the laws of physics changed.

Though not exactly the same thing as I'm talking about there, the movie "Cloverfield Paradox" explored some of the consequences. Though the means is different "colliding different" dimensions in the movie. In our example, nothing collides, just tiny bits of space time being "deleted" leading to potentially catastrophic consequences. Although one scene in the movie potentially illustrated what deleting space-time looks like when one crew member loses his arm painlessly as if he was born with no arm at all.

If there is a totally obscured underlying structure to space time that resembles a computer hard drive, such object would be far more advanced and far more clever in operation than man-made digital storage devices. Ofc, we don't know if it will last forever.

The way the tiniest structure in the Universe is impossibly well-protected is because of the potential the whole universe can be destroyed by accidental manipulation of these tiniest structures in the wrong manner.

Neogaia777 said:

They've done experiments with bottles of water with different labels on them for people to read and look at the different bottles of water as they passed by, such as "love, joy, peace, pure, clean", etc, as opposed to "dirty, unclean, I will make you sick", and things like that, etc, etc, etc, and it started out as the same water, relatively clean, or the same, etc, and what they found out afterwards is that it made the water either dirty or clean, or safe to drink, or not drink, and things like that, etc.

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LOL.

Neogaia777 said:

They could put the water molecules under a microscope afterwards, and visibly see the change/difference, etc.

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You can't see water molecule with a microscope. All water molecules have a bond angle of 104.45 degrees and a bond length of 95.84 pm because that's what the QM of the chemical bonds *REQUIRE*.

Neogaia777 said:

Some contained visible contaminants afterwards that would literally make you sick if you drank them, and some didn't, etc.

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What is this? Some sort of homeopathic fraud?

Neogaia777 said:

I'd have to try and find it for you I guess, but this was done multiple different times, and by multiple different groups several times, etc.

Now if you have an alternative explanation for why this happens with water when placed under these conditions, then I would be open to it/them maybe?

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Proof or it didn't happen.

Neogaia777 said:

Take Care.

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