Can I ask about "Aliens"?

SabbatarianSundayer · Dec 31, 2025

My "Apocalypse" letter SabbatarianSundayer Romans 15:12 @Stumblingaroundinthisworld
"Aliens"! As in; Extraterrestrials! And the bible. Sometimes; common thinking is; "The universe is too vast, for us to be alone."
An unpopular bible doctrine about it would be; this is Yahweh God's "Universe"; Yahweh God will do as He wants with it.
As far as extraterrestrial; wildlife, I do see it as possible. The series; "Blue planet", has shown about more versions of species; than I ever knew before.
Does wildlife; here on earth; represent "Creation"; or evolution?
The easiest way to answer that is with the series; "Incredible creatures that defy evolution."
Therefore if evolution isn't the case here on earth; then "evolution" can't be the case on even 1 other world.
I think of this as "Universal uniformity". Maybe; different species from planet to planet, to planet; yet All the same on/ as far as, a product of "Creation."
So if no species ever "evolves"; on Earth, or any other planet/ world; ... much less humans not a person of "Evolution"; yet we were created, and are the continued result of Adam and Eve; ...
My "Apocalypse" letter SabbatarrianSundayer Romans 15:12 @Stumblingaroundinthisworld
"Aliens!" As in; extraterrestrials! And the bible. then that means; by "Universal uniformity"; that we don't have; "Vulcans, Klingons, Cardassians; Ferrengi"; out there?
As for Jesus's upcoming utopia; meaning, the known universe; ... stays the "known universe"; or does it become obsolete? or abolished? As I'm talking about the very, known universe itself; while I'm saying V, K, C; F; ... aren't there; never were?
Revelation 21:23, "And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine on it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the lamb is the light thereof." Where does that leave "Alien" civilizations?
Revelation 22:5, "And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever."
This being the case; how do we presently explain "Extraterrestrials"?
I'm not denying, anything in the Old Testament; that can look like an "Extraterrestrial" event.
In these more precise; pre Antichrist years; 2 Corinthians 4:4, "In whom the god of this world"; can make some people believe they have encountered; ...
My "Apocalypse" letter SabbatarrianSundayer Romans 15:12 @Stumblingaroundinthisworld
"Aliens!" As in; extraterrestrials! And the bible. "Aliens"?
Any other NT verses; talking about, "Aliens"? Ephesians 2:2, "The prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience"; maybe can give us a UFO show?
2 Corinthians 11:14, "Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light"; or into the appearance of an extraterrestrial?

My "Apocalypse" letter SabbatarrianSundayer Romans 15:12 @Stumblingaroundinthisworld
"Aliens!" 2. A useless idea? Is that; a useless idea, for me to think up; "Aliens" 2?; ... or a "Useless idea", to theorize; "Alien" civilizations; are out there?
All "possible" life, originating from 1 Creator; is just how likely?
There are nature shows; revealing how the letter Y, shows up in the physical design of different creatures; representing Yahweh.
As it is; every person and creature; says "Yes" to Yahweh.
That's every "creature"; including any possible other world "creature".
How about any other world "Person"? The answer; can be none other; than, "Yes"!
So either; Yahweh does; have in existence, people of another world, who need Jesus; or they aren't there; in the 1st place!?
As people of another world; would or would not represent their "Deity"? "Humans" represent ours!
Isaiah 45:5 "I am the Lord, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me."
Means even; any possible "Alien" person; answers to Yahweh?
My "Apocalypse" letter SabbatarrianSundayer Romans 15:12 @Stumblingaroundinthisworld
"Aliens!" 2. A useless idea?
If there is only 1 Creator of the universe; ... "Yes"!
Nobody; of, very allegedly "another world"; can "possibly" be living on their own agenda; as in apart from biblical prophesy; doctrine, predestination.
Do these verses have relevance?
1 John 2:2. 1 John 5:19. Revelation 12:9. Revelation 16:14.
By my Pastor Darin Kelsey's 1st point out; is that the word itself; "Alien"; is biblical and refers to us. Ephesians 2:12.
"Imagination" can be evil. 2 Corinthians 10:3-5.
Is the "Imagination" of V, K; C; F; ... suggesting "Evolution"?; And the discredit of the reality of Yahweh God?
In years past; I did conclude, that the universe is just too vast, for us to be alone.
Now; I realize that the unlimited vastness of the universe; holds no barring at all, on whether we are alone, or what?

Are my 2 essays correct; about "Aliens"? And; Phil's criticizing/ "analyzing"; the "HELL"; out of my 2 essays. "Aliens!" As in; Extraterrestrials. And the Bible.

John Bauer · Jan 1, 2026

SabbatarianSundayer · Jan 1, 2026

John Bauer said:
Huh?

Firstlightdawn · Jan 23, 2026

SabbatarianSundayer said:
My "Apocalypse" letter SabbatarianSundayer Romans 15:12 @Stumblingaroundinthisworld
"Aliens"! As in; Extraterrestrials! And the bible. Sometimes; common thinking is; "The universe is too vast, for us to be alone."

Evo‑Devo argues that because the laws of nature are the same everywhere in the universe, we should expect to find other planets very much like Earth. Some people even imagine Heaven as another planet, or as a place where people are sent out to populate other worlds. But Scripture says the New Earth comes down from Heaven, not that Heaven is simply another world in space. The descriptions of the New Jerusalem—streets of gold, the river of life, and foundations made of precious stones—go far beyond anything we have on Earth today. We do not possess the materials or the purity needed to build the New Jerusalem, because it is not a human construction. It is a heavenly creation revealed by God, not a planet we discover or a city we build.

The Barbarian · Jan 24, 2026

By definition any aliens from outside the Earth would be illegal aliens. I am reminded of the Mork and Mindy episode where Mork discovered that all aliens are required to register, and went to do so. I'm thinking that the episode would have turned out very differently if he had done that in 2026.

Firstlightdawn · Jan 24, 2026

The Barbarian said:
By definition any aliens from outside the Earth would be illegal aliens. I am reminded of the Mork and Mindy episode where Mork discovered that all aliens are required to register, and went to do so. I'm thinking that the episode would have turned out very differently if he had done that in 2026.

How would Mork from Ork handle Ice? He would:

• Treat their guns as if they were nervous pets that needed calming • Ask the agents whether they were compensating for “emotional shrinkage” • Try to shake hands with the gun barrels • Offer them snacks because “Earthlings get cranky when their blood sugar drops” • Accidentally dodge every shot by pure slapstick chaos, not skill • Report to Orson that Earth’s anti‑alien forces “suffer from chronic seriousness syndrome” and need “mandatory tickle therapy”

The key is that Mork’s power was never violence — it was disruption. He short‑circuited human aggression by refusing to play the game. ICE agents would come in expecting a threat, and instead they’d get a whirlwind of nonsense that makes their training useless.

The Barbarian · Jan 24, 2026

Firstlightdawn said:
How would Mork from Ork handle Ice? He would:

• Treat their guns as if they were nervous pets that needed calming • Ask the agents whether they were compensating for “emotional shrinkage” • Try to shake hands with the gun barrels • Offer them snacks because “Earthlings get cranky when their blood sugar drops” • Accidentally dodge every shot by pure slapstick chaos, not skill • Report to Orson that Earth’s anti‑alien forces “suffer from chronic seriousness syndrome” and need “mandatory tickle therapy”

The key is that Mork’s power was never violence — it was disruption. He short‑circuited human aggression by refusing to play the game. ICE agents would come in expecting a threat, and instead they’d get a whirlwind of nonsense that makes their training useless.

Hence giant inflatable frogs doing the hokey-pokey.

Firstlightdawn · Jan 24, 2026

The Barbarian said:
Hence giant inflatable frogs doing the hokey-pokey.

What would the frogs sing?

“You put your left lie in, you pull your left lie out, and you shake it all about.
You do the hokey‑pokey till the truth comes out, and that’s what it’s all about.”

Jipsah · Sunday at 7:52 PM

SabbatarianSundayer said:
My "Apocalypse" letter SabbatarianSundayer Romans 15:12 @Stumblingaroundinthisworld
"Aliens"! As in; Extraterrestrials! And the bible. Sometimes; common thinking is; "The universe is too vast, for us to be alone."
An unpopular bible doctrine about it would be; this is Yahweh God's "Universe"; Yahweh God will do as He wants with it.
As far as extraterrestrial; wildlife, I do see it as possible. The series; "Blue planet", has shown about more versions of species; than I ever knew before.
Does wildlife; here on earth; represent "Creation"; or evolution?
The easiest way to answer that is with the series; "Incredible creatures that defy evolution."
Therefore if evolution isn't the case here on earth; then "evolution" can't be the case on even 1 other world.
I think of this as "Universal uniformity". Maybe; different species from planet to planet, to planet; yet All the same on/ as far as, a product of "Creation."
So if no species ever "evolves"; on Earth, or any other planet/ world; ... much less humans not a person of "Evolution"; yet we were created, and are the continued result of Adam and Eve; ...
My "Apocalypse" letter SabbatarrianSundayer Romans 15:12 @Stumblingaroundinthisworld
"Aliens!" As in; extraterrestrials! And the bible. then that means; by "Universal uniformity"; that we don't have; "Vulcans, Klingons, Cardassians; Ferrengi"; out there?
As for Jesus's upcoming utopia; meaning, the known universe; ... stays the "known universe"; or does it become obsolete? or abolished? As I'm talking about the very, known universe itself; while I'm saying V, K, C; F; ... aren't there; never were?
Revelation 21:23, "And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine on it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the lamb is the light thereof." Where does that leave "Alien" civilizations?
Revelation 22:5, "And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever."
This being the case; how do we presently explain "Extraterrestrials"?
I'm not denying, anything in the Old Testament; that can look like an "Extraterrestrial" event.
In these more precise; pre Antichrist years; 2 Corinthians 4:4, "In whom the god of this world"; can make some people believe they have encountered; ...
My "Apocalypse" letter SabbatarrianSundayer Romans 15:12 @Stumblingaroundinthisworld
"Aliens!" As in; extraterrestrials! And the bible. "Aliens"?
Any other NT verses; talking about, "Aliens"? Ephesians 2:2, "The prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience"; maybe can give us a UFO show?
2 Corinthians 11:14, "Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light"; or into the appearance of an extraterrestrial?

My "Apocalypse" letter SabbatarrianSundayer Romans 15:12 @Stumblingaroundinthisworld
"Aliens!" 2. A useless idea? Is that; a useless idea, for me to think up; "Aliens" 2?; ... or a "Useless idea", to theorize; "Alien" civilizations; are out there?
All "possible" life, originating from 1 Creator; is just how likely?
There are nature shows; revealing how the letter Y, shows up in the physical design of different creatures; representing Yahweh.
As it is; every person and creature; says "Yes" to Yahweh.
That's every "creature"; including any possible other world "creature".
How about any other world "Person"? The answer; can be none other; than, "Yes"!
So either; Yahweh does; have in existence, people of another world, who need Jesus; or they aren't there; in the 1st place!?
As people of another world; would or would not represent their "Deity"? "Humans" represent ours!
Isaiah 45:5 "I am the Lord, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me."
Means even; any possible "Alien" person; answers to Yahweh?
My "Apocalypse" letter SabbatarrianSundayer Romans 15:12 @Stumblingaroundinthisworld
"Aliens!" 2. A useless idea?

It just means "foreign".

SabbatarianSundayer said:
If there is only 1 Creator of the universe;

Yep.

SabbatarianSundayer said:
Nobody; of, very allegedly "another world"; can "possibly" be living on their own agenda; as in apart from biblical prophesy; doctrine, predestination.
Do these verses have relevance?
1 John 2:2. 1 John 5:19. Revelation 12:9. Revelation 16:14.

I'd assume so.
The notion that "the universe is sooooo biiiiiig thst there must be extraterrestrial aliens" is simply goofy. How large an area must a universe cover before it's required/necessary to have space foreigners? It may be that this universe if too small to have aliens. Either the "too big not to" and too small to be allowed to" are equally meaningless.

The Barbarian · Sunday at 9:17 PM

Jipsah said:
The notion that "the universe is sooooo biiiiiig thst there must be extraterrestrial aliens" is simply goofy. How large an area must a universe cover before it's required/necessary to have space foreigners? It may be that this universe if too small to have aliens. Either the "too big not to" and too small to be allowed to" are equally meaningless.

Bottom line, if they exist, why haven't we heard from them? I mean, our presence is now detectable about 130 light-years from Earth. Which isn't much. But if some other beings achieved a moderate level of technology a few thousand years ago, we should be picking up their presence now.

It seems arrogant to assume that we are unique, but unless other intelligent beings are very different than we are in terms of tools and activities, it seems to be the case that we are alone.

Jipsah · 2026-02-09T10:53:38-0600

The Barbarian said:
Bottom line, if they exist, why haven't we heard from them? I mean, our presence is now detectable about 130 light-years from Earth. Which isn't much. But if some other beings achieved a moderate level of technology a few thousand years ago, we should be picking up their presence now.

That's why I lean toward the belief that there isn't anyone there. There's no real logical basis for it, and if some-card-carrying aliens show up tomorrow in an intergalactic yacht, I won't be the first to say I was wrong (my anti-hogwash instincts will take some getting though, and there's no dearth of high-tech grifters who put on a really good show, and human gullibility is nearly infinite), but I could eventually be persuaded

The Barbarian said:
It seems arrogant to assume that we are unique, but unless other intelligent beings are very different than we are in terms of tools and activities, it seems to be the case that we are alone.

I don't think it's arrogant. If someone tells me there are people living over in the Skunk Holler no one has ever seen, then I may doubt it. But if an entire mythology arises about the doings of those mysterious never-seen holler-dwellers, them I'm calling bravo sierra. If they show up at my door wanting to borrow a flashlight, cool, we're neighbors. Until then, for all intents and purposes they don't exist.

Firstlightdawn · 2026-02-09T12:06:34-0600

Jipsah said:
That's why I lean toward the belief that there isn't anyone there.

EvoDevo says the laws are the same everywhere in the universe.
So we can expect things to be pretty much the same wherever you go.

The Barbarian · 2026-02-09T13:58:57-0600

Firstlightdawn said:
EvoDevo says the laws are the same everywhere in the universe.

The laws of plate tectonics are the same everywhere on Earth. This does not mean that the continents will all look the same.

Firstlightdawn · 2026-02-09T18:34:46-0600

The Barbarian said:
The laws of plate tectonics are the same everywhere on Earth. This does not mean that the continents will all look the same.

Genesis 2 9 9 "God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so." Beaches look the same but the sand can be different colors. I do a lot of rock art and I love to work with flat river rock. There is something special about the way water works with a rock and they are so well balanced.

Jipsah · 2026-02-09T20:43:48-0600

Firstlightdawn said:
EvoDevo says the laws are the same everywhere in the universe.
So we can expect things to be pretty much the same wherever you go.

That doesn’t have any bearing on whether God created people in every postal code in the universe or not.

Firstlightdawn · 2026-02-10T20:00:28-0600

Jipsah said:
That doesn’t have any bearing on whether God created people in every postal code in the universe or not.

I am talking about elements. If something exists that does not have elements we have no way to observe that. Even the New Heaven and the New Earth still has elements, gold, precious stones and so on. There is talk about harvesting very rare elements. My son did some work on that for NASA when he was in college.

The Barbarian · 2026-02-10T20:26:54-0600

Firstlightdawn said:
I am talking about elements. If something exists that does not have elements we have no way to observe that.

The physical universe is matter and energy. And they can be interchangeable. But that doesn't mean that matter and energy is all there is.

Firstlightdawn · 2026-02-10T20:39:02-0600

The Barbarian said:
The physical universe is matter and energy. And they can be interchangeable. But that doesn't mean that matter and energy is all there is.

Interesting that you brought that up. I was thinking about the connection we feel with the people who have died and gone to be with the lord. People say you should not talk to dead people but that is not what we are doing.

What continues after the physical world drops away

Memory — not just images, but the emotional shape they left in you
Attachment — the patterns of love, trust, conflict, and meaning formed over years
Identity — your sense of who you are in relation to them
Expectation — the inner “place” they occupied in your life
Conscious awareness — which is not a physical sense and doesn’t depend on matter or energy

Even animals, we hope to go to heaven to be with them someday because they were so much a part of our life here.

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