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JD Vance at March for Life: Abortion debate is a question of choosing either God or paganism

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Vice President JD Vance said in his remarks at the 53rd annual March for Life rally in Washington, D.C., that the debate on abortion is a decision between God or paganism.

In his remarks Friday before the massive pro-life gathering at the National Mall, Vance touted the Trump administration's efforts on behalf of the movement. This includes pardoning pro-life activists imprisoned for protesting at abortion clinics and ending federally funded experiments using aborted fetal cells.

He also spoke about the child tax credit, making housing more affordable, and creating special government accounts for children, including an initial $1,000 deposit for babies born between New Year’s Eve 2024 and New Year’s Day 2029.

Vance also talked about an academic paper he recently read, which detailed how ancient brothels unearthed by researchers often had many baby skeletons nearby.

“This is shocking to us because we grew up in a Christian culture and were formed by religious values. Even those of us who aren’t particularly faithful, it’s a shocking thing to hear,” said Vance.

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Vice President JD Vance said in his remarks at the 53rd annual March for Life rally in Washington, D.C., that the debate on abortion is a decision between God or paganism.

In his remarks Friday before the massive pro-life gathering at the National Mall, Vance touted the Trump administration's efforts on behalf of the movement. This includes pardoning pro-life activists imprisoned for protesting at abortion clinics and ending federally funded experiments using aborted fetal cells.

He also spoke about the child tax credit, making housing more affordable, and creating special government accounts for children, including an initial $1,000 deposit for babies born between New Year’s Eve 2024 and New Year’s Day 2029.

Vance also talked about an academic paper he recently read, which detailed how ancient brothels unearthed by researchers often had many baby skeletons nearby.

“This is shocking to us because we grew up in a Christian culture and were formed by religious values. Even those of us who aren’t particularly faithful, it’s a shocking thing to hear,” said Vance.

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Not sure if he is up to date with the statistics.
Since the overturning of Roe vs Wade , there has been more abortions and more maternal deaths.Over 1 million to be specific is the recent statistical reports showing that the total number of clinician-provided abortions in the United States reached its highest level in over a decade following the 2022 Dobbs decision.

Additionally, where abortion is strictly abolished like Texas, which enacted one of the nation's strictest abortion bans (SB8) nearly a year before Roe v. Wade was overturned, maternal mortality and life-threatening complications have risen sharply. Maternal deaths in Texas increased by 56% between 2019 and 2022, far outstripping the national increase of 11% during that same period. A major driver of this trend is a 50% surge in pregnancy-related sepsis among women experiencing second-trimester complications.

But of course , this kind of information is hidden or deliberately absent from right stream media.
 
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But of course , this kind of information is hidden or deliberately absent from right stream media.
A person's a person, no matter how small, except, when convenient, they're not one at all?
 
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A person's a person, no matter how small, except, when convenient, they're not one at all?
Not sure how this relates to my post.
I am making it known that abortion and maternal deaths have risen significantly.
 
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Not sure how this relates to my post.
I am making it known that abortion and maternal deaths have risen significantly.
Because that's the general thrust of things. We are told that maternal deaths have risen, implying deaths due to no abortions, while what is affected is Abortion on Demand, not abortion to save the life of the mother. Mighty convenient how two separate things get mixed together. Mighty convenient, indeed.

Here's something else mighty convenient: The USSC returned abortion on demand to the states in 2022. US maternal mortality rates peaked in 2021. Don't take my word for it, see:

U.S. Maternal Mortality Rate | Historical Chart & Data

If someone were to compare, say, 2011 with 2023, they can say that there was an increase, but without noting the huge increase in 2021 and the long run-up of increase in maternal deaths the USSC overturned Rowe vs. Wade, it's trying to spin data to fit an argument.

In other words, check the sources. Some of them don't tell the full story.
 
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Not sure if he is up to date with the statistics.
Since the overturning of Roe vs Wade , there has been more abortions and more maternal deaths.Over 1 million to be specific is the recent statistical reports showing that the total number of clinician-provided abortions in the United States reached its highest level in over a decade following the 2022 Dobbs decision.

Additionally, where abortion is strictly abolished like Texas, which enacted one of the nation's strictest abortion bans (SB8) nearly a year before Roe v. Wade was overturned, maternal mortality and life-threatening complications have risen sharply. Maternal deaths in Texas increased by 56% between 2019 and 2022, far outstripping the national increase of 11% during that same period. A major driver of this trend is a 50% surge in pregnancy-related sepsis among women experiencing second-trimester complications.

But of course , this kind of information is hidden or deliberately absent from right stream media.

if a woman's life is threatened there is still provision for abortion - Life of the Mother Act (2025) As Tuur pointed out the main rise occurred before no abortion was enforced in Texas and has fallen since.
 
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Not sure if he is up to date with the statistics.
Since the overturning of Roe vs Wade , there has been more abortions and more maternal deaths.Over 1 million to be specific is the recent statistical reports showing that the total number of clinician-provided abortions in the United States reached its highest level in over a decade following the 2022 Dobbs decision.

Additionally, where abortion is strictly abolished like Texas, which enacted one of the nation's strictest abortion bans (SB8) nearly a year before Roe v. Wade was overturned, maternal mortality and life-threatening complications have risen sharply. Maternal deaths in Texas increased by 56% between 2019 and 2022, far outstripping the national increase of 11% during that same period. A major driver of this trend is a 50% surge in pregnancy-related sepsis among women experiencing second-trimester complications.

But of course , this kind of information is hidden or deliberately absent from right stream media.
So these “facts” (where are you getting your numbers/stats?…sounds dubious) are to impress upon us the virtues of legalizing abortion nation-wide at tax payer expense? (Abortions had been government subsidized before overturning Roe V Wade) Abortion necessarily is against the Christian faith. Many taxpayers are Christians and conscience stricken Christians are opposed to funding abortion.
 
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So these “facts” (where are you getting your numbers/stats?…sounds dubious) are to impress upon us the virtues of legalizing abortion nation-wide at tax payer expense? (Abortions had been government subsidized before overturning Roe V Wade) Abortion necessarily is against the Christian faith. Many taxpayers are Christians and conscience stricken Christians are opposed to funding abortion.
The facts are to show people that the abortion issue is still with us, worse than ever and now mothers are dying along with it.
 
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The facts are to show people that the abortion issue is still with us, worse than ever and now mothers are dying along with it.
Ok, point taken, but I still question your numbers ..sound like an organization’s talking points. I remain unconvinced!
 
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Im known to dig deep.
lol…deep inside the pages of the Washington Post???
There’s much awry with your post… not up to addressing it. Stats quoted simply as stats and no sources are worthless. Dig deep for the sources of those stats since you are known so well as one who does so.
 
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lol…deep inside the pages of the Washington Post???
There’s much awry with your post… not up to addressing it. Stats quoted simply as stats and no sources are worthless. Dig deep for the sources of those stats since you are known so well as one who does so.
Statistics.
 
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A child tax credit doesn't even begin to pay for the costs of raising a kid now days.

And neither he nor Trump have the power, much less the will, to really do anything about housing affordability.

He's trying to sell a model of family life that is unreal for many Americans.
 
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A child tax credit doesn't even begin to pay for the costs of raising a kid now days.

And neither he nor Trump have the power, much less the will, to really do anything about housing affordability.

He's trying to sell a model of family life that is unreal for many Americans.
Who is to raise a child? Whose financial responsibility is it? Christians are responsible people. Work for your own bread not taking from anyone else says Scripture.
Trump is working on improving the overall economy which allows then for affordable housing, utilities and food. Trumps efforts are working in spite of the 33 trillion dollars of Bidenss deficit. You don’t throw taxpayer money at the country’s economic bills… it’s proven to fail and cripple an economy. Improving business conditions… which is happening under Trump’s efforts…results in jobs and lowering costs to the consumer.
 
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Who is to raise a child? Whose financial responsibility is it? Christians are responsible people. Work for your own bread not taking from anyone else says Scripture.

Then why shame those that look at their meager finances and the precarity of the current social and ecological arrangements and conclude they cannot raise a child? People like Vance want to turn 21st century realities into culture war talking points divorced from the material basis of family life in the first place.

Trump is working on improving the overall economy which allows then for affordable housing, utilities and food. Trumps efforts are working in spite of the 33 trillion dollars of Bidenss deficit. You don’t throw taxpayer money at the country’s economic bills… it’s proven to fail and cripple an economy. Improving business conditions… which is happening under Trump’s efforts…results in jobs and lowering costs to the consumer.

Most Americans say the economy continues to be a pressing concern. Housing affordability hasn't really budged downward. And all the proposed remedies of the Trump regime do little to address underlying causes, which is the hoarding of wealth in speculative investments in real estate.

The way JD Vance and Donald Trump talk about “family values” is mostly about appearances. They parade images of happy children and families and talk about moral duty, but their policies don’t actually make family life any more sustainable. The things that used to make stable families possible—good wages, affordable housing, reliable healthcare, accessible childcare—are nowhere to be found. What they’re really doing is demanding people have more kids while pretending economic insecurity is a virtue.

The way the Right talks anxiously about who is “having kids” exposes the same problem. They point to Latino or immigrant families as proof that Americans could just choose to have more children. But those families are often living in conditions that would be considered illegal, unsafe, or unacceptable in mainstream society—overcrowded housing, informal work, stretched social networks. Treating that kind of struggle as a model for everyone else is cruel and dishonest. It normalizes hardship and pretends that enduring precarity is somehow virtuous.

What Vance and Trump are really offering is not a path to prosperity or flourishing families, but a managed decline dressed up as moral duty. They want people to accept tighter margins, less security, and more stress, and to feel virtuous for doing it. Strip away the smiling children in the ads, and what’s left is austerity sold as a moral project.
 
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Then why shame those that look at their meager finances and the precarity of the current social and ecological arrangements and conclude they cannot raise a child? People like Vance want to turn 21st century realities into culture war talking points divorced from the material basis of family life in the first place.



Most Americans say the economy continues to be a pressing concern. Housing affordability hasn't really budged downward. And all the proposed remedies of the Trump regime do little to address underlying causes, which is the hoarding of wealth in speculative investments in real estate.
No one is shaming the poor. I’ve been poor to raise my child at home…requires deep sacrifice.

As for culture wars, that is fighting the good Christian fight at the government level. We had huge moral decay.

Crime is now down by nearly 50% in most categories…news the left misses or keeps secret.

Biden fed chairman is behind high housing costs.

One must search out the facts. No “side” is perfect; Christian principles are to be our guide.
 
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A person's a person, no matter how small, except, when convenient, they're not one at all?
Amen!

No person, unborn or born, deserves to die! Period!
 
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I said it once and I will say it again.

If people aren’t responsible enough to be parents, they shouldn’t be having unprotected sex.

Period.

No one is a victim here.
 
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