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Is the Bible inerrant?

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Thank you, this makes sense.
You're welcome, and I would appreciate if you continue to pray for/with me.
My dad has never read the bible and goes off his understanding of what he's been told and his relationship with Jesus, as he puts it.
A lot of the most respectable saints were illiterate, in fact it's very likely that Peter was illiterate and he very likely had strong influence over several books of the NT in Mark, and 1 and 2 Peter.
I guess I always thought there was a danger in relying on others to read the bible to you, interpret it for you etc but he doesn't read above a third grade level (if that) so he tries his best.
There can be a danger in that, but there's also a danger in someone without sufficient background reading things into the Bible that are contrary to what the original authors intended. God gives us teachers, and not everyone needs to be self-taught. It's good to verify if you have the time and academic acumen, but we all put faith in the leaders God puts in our paths in some way.
People seem to read the same passages and still come to different conclusions. It's a minefield, really!
Yeah, though there's usually more harmony than is often realized since most of the debates are over how to speak of mysteries rather than substantive differences that alter how we live as Christians. That is, of course, not counting people who twist verses to suit their agenda/theological position without concern for what is in the text. With sufficient negotiation, i've found that there are ways to foster agreements across many theological lines.
I'm prone to research, overthinking, examination, analysis, questions, thinking, shifting in thinking, reassessing, reconfirming etc. So, I see both views. I appreciate your help here!
I am a thought-tinkerer as well, which gets me into trouble from time to time. As a suggestion, to facilitate your research on Biblical topics there are a couple of books i'd recommend. First and foremost is Exegetical Fallacies by D.A. Carson. If you want more suggestions, let me know. That one should be a good starting point for thinking about Biblical interpretation and the various traps that we can fall into when we read and interpret the Bible.
 
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So, do you think the Bible is completely without error in everything it touches on?

I do believe the Bible is infallible, but idk if I would go to say that it is entirely without error on matters of history, details, etc. The point is to point people to Christ. It's not meant to be a collection of raw information to mine through.

I do think Scripture is God breathed, but unsure whether I lean towards verbal plenary inspiration or dynamic inspiration.

What about you?
I guess I consider it the pure infallible inspired Word of God. I say I guess because I turn only to the Scriptures as the final word on any topic as well as on any doctrine.

I am aware of the existence of some slight variations on the Gospel accounts of the resurrection and maybe elsewere. Nothing which causes doubt to my faith or doctrine. God works purposefully we know and the why as to these variations can really only be His good and perfect will. The Bible leaves out many dates which theologians and historians and even scientists use to their own advantage… goes back to then, faith.
 
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What about you?
In Jeremiah 1:12, God says: I am watching to see that my word is fulfilled.” But translations contradict each other.
I think God honors the KJV, but there are other translations that are better at helping us to understand the Bible.
 
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in fact it's very likely that Peter was illiterate
They did not have Bibles until the printing press. Books were copied by hand and were expensive. The books were read when people gathered, and to hear the word of God is different than to read the word of God. This is like the lyrics to a song. We know the Psalms were songs, but we do not know the notes.
I guess I consider it the pure infallible inspired Word of God. I say I guess because I turn only to the Scriptures as the final word on any topic as well as on any doctrine.
The real miracle is the oral tradition going back to Abraham and Adam. The Bible was passed from person to person and God was able to preserve His word (infallible) Of course there are checks and balances, at least for the Hebrew. Every letter has a value so the scribes can add up the numbers to make sure they did not make a mistake.
 
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They did not have Bibles until the printing press. Books were copied by hand and were expensive. The books were read when people gathered, and to hear the word of God is different than to read the word of God. This is like the lyrics to a song. We know the Psalms were songs, but we do not know the notes.
Factually incorrect, there were complete indexes going back to the 4th century.
 
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actually incorrect, there were complete indexes going back to the 4th century.
Without a printing press you have to hire a scribe to make you a copy. That can be expensive. So the whole community may only have one copy. Paul wrote letters to the churchs that were to be read by everyone. John talks about seven different churches.
 
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Without a printing press you have to hire a scribe to make you a copy. That can be expensive. So the whole community may only have one copy. Paul wrote letters to the churchs that were to be read by everyone. John talks about seven different churches.
Bibles were expensive, but they weren't non-existent. Books in general were expensive and rare, but there were structures in place for reproduction. Primarily in monasteries
 
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Bibles were expensive, but they weren't non-existent.
The point was that usually the Bible was read out loud. Remember that I am a mekurav min ha‑umot. (Hasidic)

Jesus read Scripture publicly​

Luke 4:16 (KJV) “And he came to Nazareth… and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.” He stood up to read the scroll of Isaiah.

The Hasidic talk about the oral tradition, and it is interesting to see where we get our Bible from.
 
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If one defines “inerrancy” as being without error, it can only be true for the original texts.

Moses received the full covenant, not partial instructions​

The Torah repeatedly says Moses received:

  • the entire Law
  • the entire covenant structure
  • the entire pattern for worship
  • the entire judicial system
  • the entire sacrificial system
  • the entire priestly order
Nothing was missing. Nothing was left for later prophets to invent.

This is why Deuteronomy ends with warnings:

  • do not add
  • do not subtract
  • do not alter
The covenant was complete.
 
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So, do you think the Bible is completely without error in everything it touches on?
Depends on who is translating the Holy scriptures (OT&NT) - (secular academia OR a born again, New creation in Christ Jesus. A mature Believer with the indwelling/abiding teaching presence of the Holy Spirit. A Messianic Jewish Believer may question some of Paul's letters in the Brit Chadashah (the New Covenant) when unduly influenced by a member of Messianic "Judaism" (previous Jewish covenant).

Sounds like a question from an immature believer OR from an "enemy" (trickster, deceiver. satan) asking an immature believer that isn't grounded in HIS Word (John 1: 1,14) with the only purpose being that of instilling doubt and discord.

There are more than enough NT commentaries and translations to instruct a Believer that is guided/grounded by the abiding presence of HIS (HolyIndwellingSpirit) instruction and not by Judaism''s religious academia or secular humanity's discord of misinformation based on prejudicial interpretation of just one or two scripture verses always questioning the validity of the Holy Scriptures) ...
https://www.reddit.com/r/Judaism/comments/1nxdjf9
 
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There are different translations that alter meanings that aren't like the others.
That is why so many churches are KJV only. We can use the others for a commentary, but we cannot trust the translators. Really, it is best to go back to the original and do the translation ourselves.
 
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That is why so many churches are KJV only. We can use the others for a commentary, but we cannot trust the translators. Really, it is best to go back to the original and do the translation ourselves.
It really is a deeper process when attempting to arrive at precision. The original manuscripts are what is translated. There are older manuscripts than the textus receptus which had been translated to produce the KJV.
 
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It really is a deeper process when attempting to arrive at precision. The original manuscripts are what is translated. There are older manuscripts than the textus receptus which had been translated to produce the KJV.
Clarification: the textus receptus is behind the KJV and there are now olde manuscripts which are considered cleaner manuscripts… none of the additions made by translators for “correction”. These manuscripts are the codex Alexandrius.
 
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God watches over His word and it is amazing that He does.
Yes! But, beware, read Daniel 9:27 as to end times. His Word, Truth, is thrown to the ground. This does not mean it no longer judges at that time…people remain accountable. His Word will endure forever.
 
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Yes! But, beware, read Daniel 9:27 as to end times. His Word, Truth, is thrown to the ground. This does not mean it no longer judges at that time…people remain accountable. His Word will endure forever.
The scripture I am talking about is Jeremiah 1:12 “You have seen correctly, for I am watching to see that my word is fulfilled." There are of course other scriptures.

Isaiah 55:11 My word that proceeds from My mouth will not return to Me empty, but it will accomplish what I please, and it will prosper where I send it
 
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