Christianity, the Sabbath, Ten Comm, from Eden onward

SabbathBlessings said:

The Ten Commandments are according to how God wrote them, not man. We are told God's word is to be the light to our path Psa119:105 I am going to stick with that.

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Well if you do not understand the letter of that law kills you have problems frankly. No one can or will faultlessly obey that letter, as frankly all should know.
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Psalms is old covenant
Following after the spirit not the law is new covenant and it brings far better results via the fruit of the Spirit

I would hate to delete 75% of my bible because in my mind I think its "Old Covenant" When we are told plainly below, which was speaking of the OT. What both Jesus and the apostles taught from.

2 Tim 3:16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for [a]instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.

Its a very sad misunderstanding of the what the New Covenant/Agreement is. But we have free will.

Take care.

SabbathBlessings said:

I would hate to delete 75% of my bible because in my mind I think its "Old Covenant" When we are told plainly which was speaking of the OT. What both Jesus and the apostles taught from.

2 Tim 3:16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for [a]instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.

But we have free will.

Take care.

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Well in case you didnt know, old testement is old covenant, new testement is new covenant.

People live with their watered down version of the TC.
How many of them, truly believe in their hearts they may end up in hell for what goes on, on the inside of them? The TC covers that.

Rev 12:10Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, “Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down.

We need to be careful which spirit we are subjecting ourselves to. Especially when only God knows what people do especially strangers. No one will be able to hide anything from Him Ecc12:13-14

Best I move on, as this is not fruitful.

SabbathBlessings said:

Rev 12:10Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, “Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down.

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Jesus accused the Pharisees of much, was he in error to do so?
Jesus told us to beware of the yeast of the pharisees and saducees, which is hypocrisy Luke12:1

DamianWarS said:

sure, here is the KJV
Rom 7:6
But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

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What is the Law that you were delivered from? "Thou shall not commit adultery? Thou shall not steal? Did Jesus clear away these Laws of God so men could satisfy the lusts of their flesh, and still be accepted by God? Or are we delivered from the Law, by the Grace of God, "The soul that transgresses God's Commandments shall die"?

DamianWarS said:

what does Paul mean by "letter"?

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This is easy, by the "Letter" of the Law, we are dead in our sins and trespasses, at least according to the Holy Scriptures. It wasn't the Law, "Thou shall not hate thy brother in thy heart" that killed anyone, or caused the death of anyone. It was the Law, "The soul that sins shall die".

Jesus waived that penalty. Now we are free from the Yoke of the Bondage of the Law of Sin, to become renewed in the spirit of our mind, and put on a New man, not like the old man who didn't love God and didn't honor and respect Him with obedience, but as Paul teaches, "that "ye put on" the new man, which after God is created "in righteousness and true holiness". A man like Jesus, as it is also written: "He that "saith" he abideth in him ought himself "also so to walk", even as "he walked".

SabbathBlessings said:

I would hate to delete 75% of my bible because in my mind I think its "Old Covenant"

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This is typical legalistic speak. You have to continue the straw man to scare people into following your legalistic teaching. This is typical. No one has “deleted” anything or ignored anything. We do ignore your legalistic interpretation and fallacy laden arguments. Not even the fact that less than 5% of Christians believe as you do deters you from continuing the fallacious arguments. This has been pointed out to you by multiple posters across multiple threads.

Hentenza said:

This is typical legalistic speak. You have to continue the straw man to scare people into following your legalistic teaching. This is typical. No one has “deleted” anything or ignored anything. We do ignore your legalistic interpretation and fallacy laden arguments. Not even the fact that less than 5% of Christians believe as you do deters you from continuing the fallacious arguments. This has been pointed out to you by multiple posters across multiple threads.

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Emotionally-driven posts like this really say nothing at all and more a reflection of the author than anything else.

The Scripture that this poster said didn't apply was that the word of God is to guide us Psa119:105 sad.

SabbathBlessings said:

Emotionally-driven posts

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Factually driven post. As I stated no one is ignoring 75% of the Bible. Your statement is a straw man which is a fallacy which proves that what I wrote is accurate and not emotionally driven.

SabbathBlessings said:

The Scripture that this poster said didn't apply was that the word of God is to guide us Psa119:105 sad.

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More bearing of false witness, and so casually done

'''The Ten Commandments are according to how God wrote them, how Jesus explained how to keep with examples from the Ten Commandments Mat5:19-30, which He showed how they relate to both the inward and outward man. We are told God's word is to be the light to our path Psa119:105 I am going to stick with that.''''

Psalms119:105 quoted to support following after the law Paul says we die to and are released from, the law he terms the letter that kills, the ministry of death and condemnation
But, as I said, some cannot understand a spiritual message, so have to look to the old covenant

under grace1 said:

More bearing of false witness, and so casually done

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That’s typical. It’s called weaponizing scripture to insult others. It does not face me though. I’ve been called worse.

Hentenza said:

That’s typical. It’s called weaponizing scripture to insult others. It does not face me though. I’ve been called worse.

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I can honestly say, in my experience over decades, the people who most casually transgress what is written in the TC are those who insist you MUST obey them

under grace1 said:

More bearing of false witness, and so casually done

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So another chance for you to clear the air

Do you think we follow Old Covenant- this is what you said about the verse I quoted in Psalms. Why would you dismiss it as “Old Covenant”, if you thought it applied

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Psalms is old covenant

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SabbathBlessings said:

So another chance for you to clear the air

Do you think we follow Old Covenant- this is what you said about the verse I quoted in Psalms.

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SabbathBlessings said:

So another chance for you to clear the air

Do you think we follow Old Covenant- this is what you said about the verse I quoted in Psalms.

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I thought you were not going to chat to me anymore, that's a quick turn around, this is what I wrote, please quote me accurately dear:

Psalms119:105 quoted to support following after the law Paul says we die to and are released from, the law he terms the letter that kills, the ministry of death and condemnation

SabbathBlessings said:

So another chance for you to clear the air

Do you think we follow Old Covenant- this is what you said about the verse I quoted in Psalms. Why would you dismiss it as “Old Covenant”, if you thought it applied

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Just to make it even clearer for you, if you quote psalms in relation to following after the TC you are quoting it in a way that relates to the old covenant

under grace1 said:

Just to make it even clearer for you, if you quote psalms in relation to following after the TC you are quoting it in a way that relates to the old covenant

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You accused me of something and I gave you an opportunity to show where I was wrong, that you didn't dismiss Psa 119:105 as being the old covenant so therefore we do not have to follow. You can't even answer the question without deflection, which tells me everything. And the commandments of God is God's Word according to Jesus in the NC Mat15:3-14 Mark7:7-13

This is in God's hands, He will be our Judge.

SabbathBlessings said:

You accused me of something and I am giving you an opportunity to show where I was wrong, that you didn't dismiss Psa 119:105 as being the old covenant so therefore we do not have to follow. You can't even answer the question, which tells me everything.

This is in God's hands, He will be our Judge.

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youve already been given the answer
As to God being our judge:
The measure you use to judge others will be used to judge you Matt7:2
Good luck with the letter of the TC
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SabbathBlessings said:

Emotionally-driven posts like this really say nothing at all and more a reflection of the author than anything else.

The post that this poster said didn't apply was that the word of God is to guide us Psa119:105 sad.

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It's important, in my view, that we recognize the lusts within our own flesh and that we learn to fight against that above all things. I would humbly offer that with many religious men, their entire purpose is to justify themselves, their every word, their every religious tradition, and to demean and offend those who would question their theology by calling them names. Which is a wickedness no doubt. It's easy to recognize this wickedness in others, but I have found that it is not so easy to recognize this same wickedness inside myself.

It's easy to return evil with evil, nastiness with nastiness, wickedness with wickedness. But does Christ teach this behavior? And I have found that engaging in this behavior, gives others the power to drag me down into the spiritual muck and mire, and to my shame, I have allowed this to happen to me many times.

What is hard, is to rule over our own flesh, and fight against our own wicked thoughts, the fleshy urge to "give it right back", or to "defend ourself" or to "set them straight", or seek some sort of vengeance for their rude and dishonest discourse which is designed and for the express purpose of offending in many cases.

Not that you are engaging in this behavior, that isn't the purpose of this post to judge you. Rather, to point out a struggle that I have, and that I might encourage you. Let's face it, if a man refuses to hear Moses who spoke by the Spirit of Christ,, he will not be persuaded by One, even that raised from the dead. And if they won't listen to HIM, they certainly won't be moved by anything you say. At some point, it's simply time to move on, in my view. Shake the dust as it were.

Your reference to David and this specific Psalms prompted me to reply and share my thoughts with you, I hope you don't mind.

Psalms 119: 104 Through thy precepts I get understanding: therefore I hate every false way. 105 NUN. Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. 106 I have sworn, and I will perform it, "that I will keep" thy righteous judgments. 107 I am afflicted very much: quicken me, O LORD, according unto thy word. 108 Accept, I beseech thee, the freewill offerings of my mouth, O LORD, and teach me thy judgments. 109 My soul is continually in my hand: yet do I not forget thy law.

110 "The wicked have laid a snare for me": yet I erred not from thy precepts.

Would this not be the wicked thoughts within our own selves, as nothing from without can defile us?

I believe we will encounter Shimei's in this life, just as David did. But it wasn't Shimei who needed to be ruled over by David, it was David's response. As David reasoned within himself, "Who knows if God didn't put Shimei, a man who professed to know God, there to test me, to see of I would return evil for evil.

Good post SB, I hope you don't mind my 2 cents.