Christianity, the Sabbath, Ten Comm, from Eden onward

BobRyan said:

you asked for an example of that... I gave it to you as you requested.

Dan 4

Holy watchers made the decision in Dan 4 according to the actual text.

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Which text? Verses please.

BobRyan said:

Jesus and Paul quote the "Written text" quite a lot.
Paul affirms that the written text is in fact the work of the Holy Spirit 2 Tim 3:16
This idea of walking away from the written text as if the Holy Spirit is telling us to do that, does not align with scripture

Rom 3:31 "we ESTABLISH the LAW by our faith"
Rom 3:19-20 The Law condemns the whole world, so that all may be accountable to Christ... leads us to the gospel



Rom 7 speaks of the death that we owe according to the Law, saying that in Christ we die the death the law requires.

So then God's law still exists and humans need to accept the Gospel where the debt owed according to God's current Law, is paid

Rom 6:23 "the wages of SIN is DEATH". The penalty is death, Christ paid our penalty that the Law says we owe

For the lost the law condemns to death and separates man from God. Without God the sinful nature rules in the heart of man.
if they do not accept the Gospel then separated from life they are steeped in sin

But for the born-again saints, the LAW is written on the heart under the New Covenant of Jer 31 as Hebrews 8 reminds us.

released from the penalty the law demands for rebellion

Yet it is a sin , yes even for saints "to take God's name in vain", as hard as that might be to believe
As Rom 7 reminds us , it is still a sin "to covet" even for New Covenant saints

The ten are included in that 1 John 3:4 Law of God that tells us what sin is.

"SIN IS transgression of the Law" 1 John 3:4
The "Law says do not covet" Rom 7

WHERE --- Honor your father and mother which is the FIRST commandment WITH a promise" Eph 6:1-2

True. It is also the Jer 31 Law written on the heart as Heb 8 reminds us.

as we saw on page one

Deut 4 tells us that God's TEN Commandments are the Law ,
Deut 5 says that God spoke that Law "and added no more"

Jer 31 says that law is "Written on the heart" under the New Cov. It is in the moral law of God applicable to both the saved and the lost as all major Christian denominations affirm (see page 1)

No wonder scripture says that for all eternity AFTER the cross, in the NEW Earth "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" Isaiah 66:23

The unchanged, unbent, Bible Creation Sabbath will still exist... for all eternity

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You know, I went to a church on a Saturday once to please a friend for a while. It was relentlessly preached ''You must obey the TC.'' As you mentioned taking the Lord's name in vain. The second week I was there, two women were laughing and joking as they took the Lord's name in vain without in a care in the world, apparantly unaware they were transgressing one of the commands they insisted must be obeyed. I was literally shocked and stunned, never come across that before in any church I have been to on a Sunday.
In fact, I was so uneasy at the amount of flagrant transgressions of the TC I saw in that church I had to stop going. So it turns out, I cared more about what is written in those commands than the people who kept insisting they must be obeyed!!

Seems to me, the most flagrant transgressors of the TC are those who keep insisting they must be obeyed!!
Once again, we do not need the biblical texts concerning any law written in the mind and placed on the heart of a believer, nor do we look to that law in order to grow in holiness, we do not look to law we die to, in order to follow after the Spirit. Those who do, still look to an external law, that is not where the law now is for the believer
An external law will never convict of sin to anywhere near the degree an internal law will. So I must assume, the people in that church I went to on a Saturday were in reality looking to an external law.

As you continue to insist I am saying we should look away from biblical texts carte blanche, I will not spend anymore time with you. I would say you are at ease with bearing false witness, something I am not
It reminds me of the sda church I went to for a while on a Saturday

SabbathBlessings said:

Its simply a misunderstanding of Paul. If we lift up Christ and His teachings, I do not believe we would not come to these misunderstandings.

The Greek word is not "written code" which most of the translations do not use.

Greek: gramma which means letter and not "written code"

The letter of the law calls for death, if we are in Him, His Spirit we receive life. Paul contrasts this many times, never as a means to violate the law of God though that is a grave misunderstanding in my view and Paul tells us what sin is and where that leads.

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sure, here is the KJV
Rom 7:6
But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

what does Paul mean by "letter"? the Greek word is γράμμα and it lit. means letter (there is no kione Greek for "code") but Paul does not mean the individuals letters. better put it means means the written material or "writings" Paul here is addressing the letter of the law. how do we know it's "of the law" because thats the subject "we are delivered from the law".

law/letter are synonymous here. letter's function is the written lines of the law that embodies the various degrees and commands. it is the legal code and this is contrasted with that of the Spirit. we are free of tho system of letters or legal code and under newness of the Spirit. before you start arming your strawmen, no this doesn't mean we can kill, steal and lie. this means we do not align to a the legal code of the old testament for our guidance but align to the Spirit.

how does the spirit inform you regarding killing, stealing, lying? how does the spirit inform you regarding to circumsion or sacrafice? there can be cross over alignment, but also not, according to the letter. we have clear examples where we don't serve the letter and Paul tells us that's not our focus and we are free from it so we can serve in newness of the Spirit. we must conclude then that the letter is redefined under the Spirit since we have clear examples that no longer align with the letter and Paul directly saying we are not under the letter but serve in newness of the Spirit.

DamianWarS said:

sure, here is the KJV
Rom 7:6
But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

what does Paul mean by "letter"? the Greek word is γράμμα and it lit. means letter (there is no kione Greek for "code") but Paul does not mean the individuals letters. better put it means means the written material or "writings" Paul here is addressing the letter of the law. how do we know it's "of the law" because thats the subject "we are delivered from the law".

law/letter are synonymous here. letter's function is the written lines of the law that embodies the various degrees and commands. it is the legal code and this is contrasted with that of the Spirit. we are free of tho system of letters or legal code and under newness of the Spirit. before you start arming your strawmen, no this doesn't mean we can kill, steal and lie. this means we do not align to a the legal code of the old testament for our guidance but align to the Spirit.

how does the spirit inform you regarding killing, stealing, lying? how does the spirit inform you regarding to circumsion or sacrafice? there can be cross over alignment, but also not, according to the letter. we have clear examples where we don't serve the letter and Paul tells us that's not our focus and we are free from it so we can serve in newness of the Spirit. we must conclude then that the letter is redefined under the Spirit since we have clear examples that no longer align with the letter and Paul directly saying we are not under the letter but serve in newness of the Spirit.

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The law that we are being delivered from is the law of sin and death

Romans 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.

Paul is not delivering us from the law that is holy, just and good Rom7:12 that is perfect Psa 19:7, written by the Holy Spirit of Truth and is teaching people to be sinners Rom7:7 dishonoring God Rom2:21-23, be an enemy to God Rom8:7-8. The spirit of the law is greater than the letter, if the letter is broken, its certainly means the spirit of the law is not being kept. Like how do you commit adultery without having lust in the heart. That was never what Jesus taught go ahead and break the commandment to thou shalt not commit adultery as long as you don't have lust in the heart. He taught having these thoughts is what leads to breaking this commandments and in doing so, one would be in fear of sin and judgement. Why He plainly said not to break or teach others to break the least of these commandments. Mat5:19-30 I guess we shall see soon enough.

SabbathBlessings said:

The law that we are being delivered from is the law of sin and death

Romans 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.

Paul is not delivering us from the law that is holy, just and good Rom7:12 that is perfect Psa 19:7, written by the Holy Spirit of Truth and is teaching people to be sinners Rom7:7 dishonoring God Rom2:21-23, be an enemy to God Rom8:7-8. The spirit of the law is greater than the letter, if the letter is broken, its certainly means the spirit of the law is not being kept. Like how do you commit adultery without having lust in the heart. That was never what Jesus taught go ahead and break the commandment to thou shalt not commit adultery as long as you don't have lust in the heart. He taught having these thoughts is what leads to breaking this commandments and in doing so, one would be in fear of sin and judgement. Why He plainly said not to break or teach others to break the least of these commandments. Mat5:19-30 I guess we shall see soon enough.

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Nonsense.

SabbathBlessings said:

The law that we are being delivered from is the law of sin and death

Romans 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.

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v1-6 says we are free from the legal code. The example given is that of married women who is bound to her husband by law. if he however, should die, she is bound to him no more and released from that marriage covenant and may marry another without fear of adultery.

v7 Paul doesn't want this to be confused with calling law sinful sayinfg "What then shall we say? That the law is sin? By no means!" and then explaining that the role of law exposes sin, but it is not sin itself. Yet we are released from it (v6)

now jump down to 23 and Paul has shifted gears. Showing us a law that doesn't expose sin but delights in it. his example is of his own fleshly desires of wanting to do what he knows is wrong. This is not what Paul addresses in 1-6 as he is clear the law is good and holy (v12) the law is not of sin but exposes sin (v7). This law he is addressing in 23 contrasts these things, and it is called the a law of sin. Christ sets us free from this law, but the focus is different than that of v6.

v23 cannot identify the same law as v6. v23 is a law of sin that delights in it and is of wrong virtue where v6 law exposes sin but is not sin itself (v7) and is called good and holy (v12). yet we are released from it (the whole point of 1-6)

I'm not certain you are reading this passage, as your conclusions seem more of a cut-and-paste style. But reading it in context, Paul very clearly contrasts what he speaks of in v23 with what he speaks of in v6 and they are not the same referent. v7 very specifically says this letter of old is not of sin but exposes it, and v23 says this law of wrongful desires is of sin, so they cannot be the same thing. Paul uses law many times here, so taking verses out of context is going to produce some odd doctrines as they may seem like they are addressing the same thing. But what is clear is that the law addressed in v23 is not the same law addressed in v6.

The chapter concludes in v25 showing Paul has a battle between serving the law of God and serving the law of sin. This same word "serve" is used back in v6 "we are released from the law, having died to that which held us captive, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit" so Paul is using "service" here as our action under law. We die to that which holds us captive, which is the law of sin, while at the same time released from the legal code that exposed that sin; this is the result of salvation under Christ (Paul covered this in ch 6). This service, according to v6 is "in the new way of the Spirit". Still God's law but with new action, no longer instructed by the "oldness of letter" aka legal code, but led by the living Spirit.

DamianWarS said:

v1-6 says we are free from the legal code. The example given is that of married women who is bound to her husband by law. if he however, should die, she is bound to him no more and released from that marriage covenant and may marry another without fear of adultery.

v7 Paul doesn't want this to be confused with calling law sinful sayinfg "What then shall we say? That the law is sin? By no means!" and then explaining that the role of law exposes sin, but it is not sin itself. Yet we are released from it (v6)

now jump down to 23 and Paul has shifted gears. Showing us a law that doesn't expose sin but delights in it. his example is of his own fleshly desires of wanting to do what he knows is wrong. This is not what Paul addresses in 1-6 as he is clear the law is good and holy (v12) the law is not of sin but exposes sin (v7). This law he is addressing in 23 contrasts these things, and it is called the a law of sin. Christ sets us free from this law, but the focus is different than that of v6.

v23 cannot identify the same law as v6. v23 is a law of sin that delights in it and is of wrong virtue where v6 law exposes sin but is not sin itself (v7) and is called good and holy (v12). yet we are released from it (the whole point of 1-6)

I'm not certain you are reading this passage, as your conclusions seem more of a cut-and-paste style. But reading it in context, Paul very clearly contrasts what he speaks of in v23 with what he speaks of in v6 and they are not the same referent. v7 very specifically says this letter of old is not of sin but exposes it, and v23 says this law of wrongful desires is of sin, so they cannot be the same thing. Paul uses law many times here, so taking verses out of context is going to produce some odd doctrines as they may seem like they are addressing the same thing. But what is clear is that the law addressed in v23 is not the same law addressed in v6.

The chapter concludes in v25 showing Paul has a battle between serving the law of God and serving the law of sin. This same word "serve" is used back in v6 "we are released from the law, having died to that which held us captive, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit" so Paul is using "service" here as our action under law. We die to that which holds us captive, which is the law of sin, while at the same time released from the legal code that exposed that sin; this is the result of salvation under Christ (Paul covered this in ch 6). This service, according to v6 is "in the new way of the Spirit". Still God's law but with new action, no longer instructed by the "oldness of letter" aka legal code, but led by the living Spirit.

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We need to remember Paul doesn't speak as we do and he didn't speak in a way where others in his day understood. Paul contrasts in a few chapters in a few different ways, with being under the letter of the law, which when breaking calls for condemnation or death Rom6:23 verses being led by the Spirit which enables the believer to keep the law of God. John14:15-18

What Paul doesn't do is contradict established doctrine written by God Himself Exo31:18 and contradict his own teachings such as breaking the legal code as you call it, makes one a sinner Rom7:7 someone who dishonors God Rom2:21-23, someone who does not love their neighbor, breaking the second greatest commandment Rom13:8 makes someone an enemy to God Rom8:7-8 and leads someone outside God's Kingdom Gal5:19-21 this is just within Paul own writings, yet alone how this teaching contradicts Christ who is God Himself who said plainly He did not come to destroy the law Mat5:17 but to magnify Isa 42:21 which means make larger which is exactly what He did with the Ten Commandments Mat5:19-30 and plainly taught not to break or teach others to break the least of these commandments and came with serious consequences because it makes ones heart far from Him Mat 7:7-13 and off the narrow path Mat15:3-14 and unrepented sin Pro28:13 1John3:4 James2:11 leads one to their own destruction Heb10:26-30Mat7:23 outside the gates of heaven Rev22:15

When we start isolating a verse or two of Scripture that literally contradicts what God says Exo20:6 John14:15 Rev12:17 Rev14:12 Rev22:14 that His word plainly tells us is leading to danger Isa 8:20 Mat5:19-30 Heb10:26-30 we are probably misunderstanding Paul 2Peter3:16. If you believe Paul released people from only worshipping God, or committing covertness which he said is also idolatry and that's the way we love God and neighbor, we are free to make these choices, its just not mine. My anchor is Jesus and He spoke the Ten Commandments, asked us to keep them if we love Him Exo20:6 John14:15 its under His mercy seat in heaven until the day of Atonement or Judgement Day, its what we are all judged by Rev11:18-19 John12:48 James 2:11-12 Ecc12:13-14 I personally would not want to remove a jot or tittle of what He covers by His mercy Exo20:6. God makes no mistakes Psa19:7 Rom7:12 we do by not fully trusting Him.

BobRyan said:

Jer 31 says that law is "Written on the heart" under the New Cov. It is in the moral law of God applicable to both the saved and the lost as all major Christian denominations affirm (see page 1)

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Your claim that the major denominations affirm this as we have discussed suffers from the problem that their understanding of what is meant by those commandments, and also what is meant by affirming them, differs in some cases, such as the Calvinists and Lutherans and most Evangelicals, from that of the SDA, that it’s not even meaningful to quote them. For example, the Sabbath commandment is not interpreted in a legalistic manner or one specific to doing one specific thing on one day of the week in most denominations you cite, and regarding the commandments as a whole, Lutherans, Calvinists, Evangelicals - the majority of Protestants, would argue that we are unable to keep these commandments and are dependent upon Christ for our salvation.

The Orthodox would agree in almost every case except for that of the Theotokos, for being chosen to be the Mother of God required an immaculate vessel which God through his grace was able to furnish (note, we reject the immaculate conception while regarding the Theotokos as immaculate) but even she still depended upon her Son for salvation, because she inherited the human nature from Adam, and that human nature was disfigured, for which reason itwas put on by our Lord so that He could remake it in His image on the Cross, as prophesied in Genesis ch. 1, on the sixth day, before resting in the seventh day and rising again in glory in the light of the First Day, on which we properly conduct our primary worship, although we do worship on the seventh day as well, concordantly, attacks on our sabbath keeping are not only inadmissible according to St. Paul but also incorrect, which is also the case for the Roman Catholics, as I have demonstrated repeatedly.

In addition, the closing of the old law in Deuteronomy we know was specific to the Old Testament, for in the New Testament, John ch. 13 v. 34, Christ our True God declares “A new Commandment I give to you, that you love one another; just as I have loved you, that you are to love one another.“

Thus God Himself, in the flesh, expressly declares a new commandment, predicating the New Covenant that St. Jeremiah refers to in Jeremiah 31:34 on love, as opposed to the strict adherence to a legalistic code on framework.

Love is also central to Lutheran theology (in the concept of the Eucharist as Gottesdienst, something God does for us, and in the pure joy with which Lutherans celebrate the love of Christ as @MarkRohfrietsch will attest to), in Eastern Orthodox theology (see St. Seraphim of Sarov, St. John of Kronstadt, St. Maximus the Confessor, St. Symeon the New), in Oriental Orthodox theology (see St. Jacob of Sarugh or St. Severus of Antioch), in the ancient theology of the Church of the East (see St. Isaac the Syrian), and in the better, more mystical parts of Roman Catholic theology (such as the more achingly beautiful writings of the likes of St. Francis of Assisi, St. Theresa of Avila, St. Catharine of Sienna, etc).

In the idea of love, we find the antidote to legalism. Because we have a God who IS love, who created the Law merely to guide us, like a schoolteacher, in our youth, but which no longer binds us, according to Galatians 3:15-5:15, for we are sons of God according to the promise, to quote St. Paul literally.

SabbathBlessings said:

such as breaking the legal code as you call it

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let's pause there. I never once said we are breaking the legal code, but instead, show we are released from it (as Rom 7:6 shows). Do you see the difference? Because your phrasing is a strawman. I cannot have a productive conversation if you continually hijack words and reframe them to something never said.

DamianWarS said:

let's pause there. I never once said we are breaking the legal code, but instead, show we are released from it (as Rom 7:6 shows). Do you see the difference? Because your phrasing is a strawman. I cannot have a productive conversation if you continually hijack words and reframe them to something never said.

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Semantics, released from it means not keeping which is not something Paul ever countermanded God’s instruction for righteous living. Psa 119:172 Isa 56:1-2 because God’s righteousness is everlasting Psa 119:142 and the foundation of His throne Psa89:14

Paul never released anyone from God’s law so they can be a sinner, just a very big misunderstanding that sadly leads one in the wrong direction Mat7:23 Mat15:3-14

Rom 2:13 or it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous.

SabbathBlessings said:

Paul never released anyone from God’s law so

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I never said Paul released anyone from anything, and this is another starwman. I can't carry on this conversation if you continue to demonstrate an inability to represent a position accurately.

Paul uses the language "released from the law", this is a verbatim quote of Rom 6:7 and I didn't inject the language into the text ("delivered from the law" is used in the KJV) so it is not a question if we are released from the law (because we are) but you're mistaken to reframe that position as saying Paul is doing the releasing. Paul didn't do the releasing, Christ has. The law we are released from spoken in v6 is not the law of sin as spoken of in v23 as it is clear in v7 it is not of sin (Paul is pretty explicit in this). it's role exposes sin, but it is not sin itsaelf. this law (that we are released from as per v6) is identified as "holy and righteous and good" (v12). so it's not a question if the law is good, it is good but we are released from the letter or legal code of the law.

DamianWarS said:

I never said Paul released anyone from anything, and this is another starwman. I can't carry on this conversation if you continue to demonstrate an inability to represent a position accurately.

Paul uses the language "released from the law", this is a verbatim quote of Rom 6:7 and I didn't inject the language into the text ("delivered from the law" is used in the KJV) so it is not a question if we are released from the law (because we are) but you're mistaken to reframe that position as saying Paul is doing the releasing. Paul didn't do the releasing, Christ has. The law we are released from spoken in v6 is not the law of sin as spoken of in v23 as it is clear in v7 it is not of sin (Paul is pretty explicit in this). it's role exposes sin, but it is not sin itsaelf. this law (that we are released from as per v6) is identified as "holy and righteous and good" (v12). so it's not a question if the law is good, it is good but we are released from the letter or legal code of the law.

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Perhaps you're not reading your own posts.

if the law is good, it is good but we are released from the letter or legal code of the law.

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this law (that we are released from as per v6) is identified as "holy and righteous and good" (v12).

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Paul is releasing us from the only law that God made holy and righteous and is good?

Its really a very sad misunderstanding of Scripture. We are called to be holy but are released from what God deems as holy that came with His power to make it holy and Paul is just so carelessly going to say, nah that the law you're released from. But the law of sin and death, which is breaking the law that is holy, that's the law we are to keep. What Paul is contrasting

Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. Which law? For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, “You shall not covet.”


This is the law of God that was written in our inward part because perpetual sinning leads one to their own destruction Heb10:26-30 Sin is breaking the law of God 1John3:4 the Ten Commandments James2:10-12 Mat5:19-30 Rom7:7 why the Ten Commandments is the only law that is under God's mercy or atonement seat and sin is the ministration of death when we break Rom6:23 God's holy laws. This is where we want our sins to be under His atonement seat, because when He comes and if they have not been confessed and under His mercy its not a good spot to be in.

This is the law Paul delights to do according to the inward part- not coveting against his neighbor

Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man.

Compared to another law that brings us into captivity, not the law that is holy, just and good written by God Himself Exo31:18 Exo20:6

Rom 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, (where did God write His laws, in our hearts and minds 2Cor3:3 Heb8:10) and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.

The law of sin and death is the wages of sin is death, it is breaking the law that is holy, just and good. There is no condemnation for those who are in Christ and keeping (fulling the law of God) Rom8:4 Rev14:12 Rev 22:14 through our love and cooperation and the power His Spirit John14:15-18 the condemnation is breaking the law of God, but if we won't even subject ourselves to the law of God Rom8:7-8 its really a dangerous spot to be in my view, because if we refuse to allow God to define what sin is, than sadly we won;t go to Him and seek His help in forsaking our sins Pro28:13 and removing what He covers with His mercy Exo20:6 why God's laws that He wrote are under His mercy seat Exo25:21 Rev15:5 Rev11:18-19 seems like it will bring us to a place where we might be saying Lord Lord at His Second Coming, but He doesn't know us. Mat7:23 1John2:4 Mat7:21-23 Luke 6:46-49 John 12:48 James2:11. God doesn't make mistakes, only God can make something holy and righteous, the foundation of God's character that we are to take on His image of perfect Psa19:7, holy, just and good Rom7:12 its why we need to reconcile Scripture with Scripture because the warning we have on what people would do with Paul's writings and other Scripture I believe are real and serious and we need to study prayerfully and carefully and reconcile Scripture with Scripture. Paul would never teach against established doctrine of God.

The believer is called to look away from themselves and to Christ. While you are doing this, you cannot be seeking to wilfully follow after the flesh, it is one or the other. Whilst you are looking to Christ, and trusting him to bring you to live an evermore holy life, via the sanctification of the Spirit, you will transgress the letter of the law for that letter kills(2Cor3:6) But, as long as we are looking to Christ, we will grow in holiness.

The more we look to Christ, and rely on the Spirit, the more the fruits of the Spirit grow in our lives(Gal5:22) Against that fruit there is no law(verse23) For that fruit is the embodiment of how God wants you to live your life.

For it is we who are the circumcision, we who serve God by his Spirit, who boast in Christ Jesus, and who put no confidence in the flesh Phil3:3

So, you die to looking to the law and striving to obey it to be righteous before God, you are released from the old way, you follow after the Spirit instead. Much better results for:
Sinfull passions are aroused in us by the law Rom7:5
For:
The power of sin is the law 1Cor15:56

Sadly, many cannot understand a spiritual message, only one the rational mind can comprehend, hence back to old covenant ways

The Spirit of God does not lead us to worship other gods, or murder our brethren or break the least of these commandments Mat5:19-30. If we are breaking the letter of the law we are most certainly not subjecting ourselves through the Spirit. John14:15-18 We can try to convince ourselves we are, but its still sin 1John3:4 James2:11 Mat5:19-30 that will sadly leave one in the wrong direction Mat7:23 Heb10:26-30. The purpose of the law of God is to show us our condition Rom3:20 Rom7:7 and show us our need for Jesus to seek His help to overcome, if we remove the law of God sadly all one does is covers their sins Pro28:13 instead of getting out sins under God's mercy seat for His final atonement. Exo20:6 John12:48 James2:11-12 Rev 11:18-19. Why we are warned not to remove a jot or tittle Mat5:18-19 Ecc3:14 Rev22:18-19 from the law of God, written by God Himself. Exo31:18

SabbathBlessings said:

If we are breaking the letter of the law we are most certainly not subjecting ourselves through the Spirit.

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Thou shalt NOT dwell on any impure thought
Thou shalt NOT desire anything of your neighbours whether material goods or a member of their household
Thou shalt NOT lust/desire anyone except your spouse
Thou shalt NOT tell any even little fibs about another.
Thou shalt NOT disobey the law relating to the inner man, the law no one but you and God need know you break.

Many sadly just make ''pat statements'' that are neither theirs or anyone elses reality, grew up with it

under grace1 said:

Thou shalt NOT dwell on any impure thought
Thou shalt NOT desire anything of your neighbours whether material goods or a member of their household
Thou shalt NOT lust/desire anyone except your spouse
Thou shalt NOT tell any even little fibs about another.
Thou shalt NOT disobey the law relating to the inner man, the law no one but you and God need know you break.

Many sadly just make ''pat statements'' that are neither theirs or anyone else reality, grew up with it

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The Ten Commandments are according to how God wrote them, how Jesus explained how to keep with examples from the Ten Commandments Mat5:19-30, which He showed how they relate to both the inward and outward man. We are told God's word is to be the light to our path Psa119:105 I am going to stick with that.