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Trump officials met group pushing Alberta independence from Canada
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For $299 I can subscribe to Financial Times so I can read the whole article. Sorry but no. What evidence do you have aside from their little teaser blurb about this?
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No one has a crystal ball, but 70% public opposition is a difficult hill to climb. Of course - Who believes polls? We'll just make a prediction based on "feelings".
Probably the best chance they have is to get better turnout from those who favor succession than from those who oppose it. Unless there is something else which provides major movement in public opinion.
Probably the best chance they have is to get better turnout from those who favor succession than from those who oppose it. Unless there is something else which provides major movement in public opinion.
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Thank you for finding a free link.
That's a rather opinion loaded news article. Or is it just opinion? 'Far right Canadian separatists', 'fringe right wing group', 'stealthy meetings', all rather loaded diction.
Here's the real meat of it: "The group hopes to have another meeting in Washington next month to ask for a $500 billion credit facility, which would help fund the province if an independence referendum passes."
So they didn't discuss this at all yet. According to one guy they, the group of Albertans, want to discuss it next month. Maybe. Meanwhile ...
"Both the White House and State Department told the FT that no commitments were made to the group during these meetings."
“Administration officials meet with a number of civil society groups. No such support, or any other commitments, was conveyed,” a White House spokesperson said.
"A person familiar with Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent’s thinking told the outlet that he and his team were unaware of any credit facility request, and did not plan to engage on the issue."
So they had a meeting, but nobody yet asked for any money yet. And if anyone did ask for a line of credit I don't see any real world case for $500,000,000,000 to launch the independence of one province. They might need a bridging loan for $500,000,000 but not in the multiple billions of dollars. What's left of Canada might need a $500,000,000,000 gift though if it loses Alberta.
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Fund one's own attempt at secession. Again, the State Department has no business even meeting with an allied neighbor's separatists and should respect that allied nation's sovereignty.
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We fund all sorts of garbage as it is. I tend to agree with you though.
State Departments meet with all sorts of people all the time. You want that actually, because otherwise they miss things they could have and should have known about.
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No. Leave an allied nation's sovereignty alone. "Carney urges US not to meddle in Alberta independence movement". It doesn't take Captain Obvious why the Trump State Department is meeting with them. Think Venezuela. Heck, even before Trump think Operation Iraqi Liberation, which was an very appropriate acronym.
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You do know, I hope, that before 2026 even the Democrats considered Maduro to be an illegitimate ruler, and that Joe Biden had a bounty out for his capture. But alas, that was before 2026.
Nonetheless, some of these things are not quite like the other.
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Don't you think the people of Alberta should decide before you just give Alberta away to Donald Trump.
I do think Minnesota and California and Oregon and a few other states would be happy to join Canada. I'm almost inclined to favor letting them go if they want to.
But there is a difference in law and history between the USA and Canada. As I understand it provinces in Canada are free to leave if they wish. States in the USA are not permitted to leave. That was the point of the Civil War. They have to stay unless we can make alteration to the constitution first to allow them to leave.
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For years, many Albertans have expressed frustration with Canada’s federal system, particularly policies driven by Ottawa that restrict energy development, impose aggressive environmental regulations, and redistribute provincial wealth without adequate local consent. Alberta’s economy, built largely on oil, gas, and agriculture, often finds itself constrained by a political culture that does not reflect its values of work, resource stewardship, and provincial autonomy. Conservatives recognize this tension as a classic example of overcentralized government breeding regional discontent.
The idea of turning to the United States is less about abandoning Canada and more about asserting leverage. It reflects a desire for self-determination, economic freedom, and alignment with a system that historically respects states’ rights and market-driven growth. While secession itself would face immense legal and practical barriers, the conversation exposes a deeper issue: when governments ignore regional voices, unity erodes.
The idea of turning to the United States is less about abandoning Canada and more about asserting leverage. It reflects a desire for self-determination, economic freedom, and alignment with a system that historically respects states’ rights and market-driven growth. While secession itself would face immense legal and practical barriers, the conversation exposes a deeper issue: when governments ignore regional voices, unity erodes.
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Yes, and with no designs to create some fake "national emergency" enact war crimes and take over their oil and dictate who they can and can't sell to and at what price they can sell. See the difference?
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I think your politics may be clouding your mind. Let Alberta be Alberta, as part of Canada, or independent. It's not all some Trumpian plot. That kind of thinking comes about when people let Trump live in their minds rent free. He is at best a bit player in the future of Alberta.
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It is politics. And yes, when Trump's state department literally entertains support of actions of a soverign nations separatists, well that is political. One's sovereignty is political. And yes, when Trump takes over another again, sovereign nations oil for basically their own use, that is political too. Yes, let Alberta be Alberta and Canada be Canada and stay the you know what out. That is my whole point.
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If you say so. But to me it looks like your whole point is 'Orange Man Bad'.It's a point you go back to over and over again. And again and again. He lives rent free inside of you. For myself, I never voted for the man. But he does not occupy my brain all day long.
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Politics are policy. Policy is dictated by those who have that politic power. You didn't see any other president sending people to meet with Quebec's separatists. Just the guy, yes Trump, who threatens Canada itself.
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That's right. I didn't see any. Doesn't mean there were no meetings with other countries. The USA isn't being covert enough for you I guess.
Again, rent free.
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That's because past presidents let their policy be known of leaving Quebec/Canada alone. Moreover, the response by Canada and Canadians to whom you think I am just having unwarranted machinations about speak for themselves.
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