I`m thinking, with God and all. I agree that being alive is more than just developed self-awareness, you feel also, but why has there got be a god? Life started in water, it learned to build a body from the proteins of plants in and surrounding the water, so there was a will to start with. Where does a god really come into place? We know the Big Bang started with an imploding star, it collapsed because of it`s weight. Where exactly does it show that it must have been created by someone? I can`t really find traces of a god. You have self-awareness because you think about yourself and reflect, but it`s like developed from the will
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Why so much fuss about being alive?
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We actually don't know that the Big Bang was started by an imploding star. Having said that, the notion of creation is not firmly tied to cosmology, but ontology. In Christian theology, God is a necessary being and could not fail to exist, who actively wills all this into being.
We can find evidence for God in the intelligibility present in the universe, in the information-like patterns and deep structures in nature. What we find is comprehension, relationality, all highly suggestive that the world is not merely matter or particles in motion.
We can find evidence for God in the intelligibility present in the universe, in the information-like patterns and deep structures in nature. What we find is comprehension, relationality, all highly suggestive that the world is not merely matter or particles in motion.
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Not a great start. Science doesn't work with gods.
Nothing in science needs a god.
Nope. No "will" needed. "Will" seems to be an intentionality of brains at minimum. No brains in plants.
People?
Certainly not.
It doesn't.
Now you're getting it.
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My apologies, but I'm not understanding specifically which nuance of waking reality you want us to engage. This is a Physics & Life Science section of the forums, not one for Metaphysics.
Personally, I don't expect my waking experience to empirically sense God's existence.
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You say that life started in the water, but then say that that life learned to build a body from the surrounding plants. Were the surrounding plants not living? If the plants were living, how can the life-forms which fed on those plants represent the start of life? You then say that the first life had a will. The will presupposes consciousness, the ability to think, to reason. Are you saying that your supposed first life-forms had such self-awareness and reasoning?
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The big bang theory doesn't even make sense. It doesn't even hold up to scientific scrutiny.
I will find the information our church went through, including testimony from lead scientists all around the world, who discredit this theory. These scientists are Christians and atheists. If you're interested..
The big bang theory is just lazy thinking used as a distraction.
I will find the information our church went through, including testimony from lead scientists all around the world, who discredit this theory. These scientists are Christians and atheists. If you're interested..
The big bang theory is just lazy thinking used as a distraction.
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The big bang theory is the best working model based on current understanding of the available information derived by modern scientific methods, according to the consensus of appropriately qualified people (scientists with credentials in the relevant feilds).
I am not convinced of it myself, but I am not a scientist and I cannot prove my personal beliefs are viable. It is somewhat unlikely that laziness is how the big bang theory became established, and I cannot imagine that the world's scientists had any motive for creating a distraction from the very stuff that they are into exploring.
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No, won't share here. Didn't realize it was the 'free for all' board and not the Christians only board.
These types of comments and insults are exactly why I don't engage on these boards. This site seems to think Christians should just passively accept verbal and intellectual abuse so I prefer to move on without further comment.
All the best.
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Scientists understand that theory isn't fact. The big bang theory is called 'theory' for a reason.
It's interesting how lay persons just digest information and not really understand the context of the delivery.
I will share on the Christian only board but withdraw from this one.
All the best.
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You do know that this side of the website is open to believes and non-believers alike, right? The website doesn't hide that fact.
If you want to interact only with Christians, then there's the Christians Only subforums on this site you can go to.
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It certainly does. It is based on observational evidence of the expanding Universe and Einstein's field equations from General Relativity.
It does.
This didn't happen.
It is certainly not a "distraction".
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Yes that is why I wrote "The big bang theory is the best working model based on current understanding of the available information derived by modern scientific methods, according to the consensus of appropriately qualified people (scientists with credentials in the relevant feilds)."
Not one mention of "fact" there.
Do you have some grounds for thinking you are not a "lay person" yourself. Are you a scientist?
FYI, I will see you in there then.
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