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Ezekiel 23 and the NIRV Bible for Kids

JohnClay

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Ezekiel 23 has a lot of shocking sexual language.

Especially 23:20...

Though in the KJV it is pretty tame: (using euphemisms)
"For she doted upon their paramours, whose flesh is as the flesh of asses, and whose issue is like the issue of horses."

The NIRV uses much more clearer language:
"There she had longed for her lovers. Their private parts seemed as big as those of donkeys. And their flow of sperm appeared to be as much as that of horses."

[note these forums seem to be replacing a word with "sperm"]

Anyway I used AI to make songs quoting lyrics like Ezekiel 23 but Steam says "it contains Adult Only Sexual Content". But the NIRV Bible for Kids is aimed at kids and it contains "Complete text of the New International Reader's Version, written at a third-grade reading level just for developing readers".


So what do Christians think about the passage and how suitable it is for children?

Here's the entire chapter from the NIRV translation:


I was surprised that even verse 20 was there but that whole passage goes on for 49 verses.

Though the GNT (Good News Bible) has this for verse 20: (which ignores some of the original meaning)

"She was filled with lust for oversexed men who had all the lustfulness of donkeys or stallions"
 
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The 2 sisters are symbols of the depravity of Samaria and Jerusalem and the worst of it involved child sacrifices to pagan gods ( Ezekiel 23:36-49).




It presents an extended metaphor in which Samaria and Jerusalem are compared to sisters named Oholah (Samaria) and Oholibah (Jerusalem), who are the wives of God and accused of "playing the harlot"
 
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@Lukaris

Thanks I hadn't read the later verses very carefully so I wasn't aware of the parts about child sacrifice.

BTW some AI says "Samaria was the capital city of the northern Kingdom of Israel" and Jerusalem was "the capital of the Kingdom of Judah".

As far as "harlots" go, the NIRV is clearer and calls them "prostitutes".
 
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I don't think a child can understand that, but a child can understand the people were doing things God didn't like & that made him upset.
So the goal was to make the NIRV text understable by a person at a 3rd grade reading level. They'd probably understand "private parts" and "breasts" but if they don't understand "s*men" or "sex" they might ask an adult or fellow child. (note the s word is replaced with "sperm" on these forums even though it appears in a Bible for kids)
 
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Prophetic speech often uses profane, vulgar, or lurid imagery to convey a message.

How you teach it to kids? Through the prism of a biblical theology, obviously. Kids don't need to know the exact details necessarily. Most Christians don't seriously study that stuff in that level of detail until they get older, if at all.
 
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So what do Christians think about the passage and how suitable it is for children?
People question the Song of Songs.
  • It is openly romantic and poetic
  • God is not mentioned by name
  • It reads like love poetry rather than law, prophecy, or doctrine
These features made some ancient readers uncomfortable, just as they do today.
 
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BTW I was looking into other Bible translations:

Verse 4 of the Good News Translation says "...I married both of them, and they bore me children"

I didn't realise that "they were mine" or "they belonged to me" meant that.

Also it said "They have been unfaithful to me". I wanted to make a paraphrase so I changed it to "They cheated on me" which I think is still pretty accurate.
 
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People question the Song of Songs.
  • It is openly romantic and poetic
  • God is not mentioned by name
  • It reads like love poetry rather than law, prophecy, or doctrine
These features made some ancient readers uncomfortable, just as they do today.

The Song of Solomon actually isn't religious literature at all in the usual sense.

The king of Persia, likely Cyrus, wanted some explanation of what the Hebrew people were, that were his subjects, and the scribes in Babylon gathered the texts the had; the Song of Solomon was probably included simply because it was popular courtly literature among the aristocracy and elites taken into exile (much of Daniel is also court literature).
 
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