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Adventists at the Crossroads of Legalism and Righteousness by Faith

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Is this true? Is this what some of them believe?
Some do, but some do not. I have met Christians who believe that if you haven’t been baptized yet, you are lost. There are all sorts of different works that people from different denominations believe are required for salvation. Yet beyond all of that, there is the body of Christ, where you find rest—not striving, not fear, not performance, but trust.

God resists the proud but gives grace to the humble. Salvation has always been about humility and dependence, not about checking boxes. Even among Seventh-day Adventists, there is diversity of belief. Many SDAs do not believe Sabbath keeping is what saves them; rather, it is something they celebrate because they are saved. In that sense, the Sabbath is not a means of earning favor, but a response of gratitude and faith.

I believe that is what all of our good works should be about. We do not come to God polished and prepared—we come to Him just as we are. Grace is not the reward for repentance; grace is what makes repentance possible.


Their prophet E. G. White wrote this:

"Just here is a point on which many may err, and hence they fail of receiving the help that Christ desires to give them. They think that they cannot come to Christ unless they first repent, and that repentance prepares for the forgiveness of their sins. It is true that repentance does precede the forgiveness of sins; for it is only the broken and contrite heart that will feel the need of a Saviour. But must the sinner wait till he has repented before he can come to Jesus? Is repentance to be made an obstacle between the sinner and the Saviour?
The Bible does not teach that the sinner must repent before he can heed the invitation of Christ, "Come unto Me, all ye that labor and are heavy-laden, and I will give you rest." Matthew 11:28. It is the virtue that goes forth from Christ, that leads to genuine repentance. Peter made the matter clear in his statement to the Israelites when he said, "Him hath God exalted with His right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins." Acts 5:31. We can no more repent without the Spirit of Christ to awaken the conscience than we can be pardoned without Christ."
This captures the heart of the gospel: we come to Christ first, and from Him flows repentance, transformation, obedience, and rest. Anything that places repentance, works, or rituals ahead of Christ risks
 
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It’s probably more than a bit ironic that I often find myself agreeing with SDA’s, except over doctrines on the Sabbath, since the SDA Church has perhaps vented more hostility towards Catholicism than any other group since the early days of the Reformation. But the reason for agreement is obvious to me. From my limited knowledge Ellen White, going by her understanding of Scripture, stood on the necessity of obedience, of overcoming sin, of obeying the moral law, IOW. But she understood this to be possible only by the power of the Holy Spirit who now indwells the justified person. Everything begins and ends with grace: with grace all things are possible. And this is classic Catholicism- and is the basic position of the ancient eastern churches as well in my understanding. The law, for the justified person, is not an enemy, and it’s certainly not the means to righteousness, either, but it serves as a guide pointing to righteousness, to what must be done even if it lacks the power, the grace, to accomplish it in us.

Now, obedience can become mechanical, unspiritual, by the Letter, legalistic, merely external, etc, etc, and it can even be taught that way by misled or uninspired teachers, but the understanding is correct that says that we now can and must obey, but with a new righteousness apart from the law that the law and the prophets testify to (Rom 3:21), a righteousness that meets the righteous requirements of the law (Rom 8:1). If one’s understanding of Sola Fide disagrees with this then they’ve allowed that doctrine to be a source of confusion IMO.

So the crossroads spoken of in the OP is actually near the area where we really need to be after all. The new covenant/gospel was never intended to serve as a reprieve from man’s obligation to be righteous and then live accordingly, but rather as the means of achieving that very thing so that we might avoid the penalty of death that sin earns-so that we might live! This doesn’t deny the operation of grace but rather identifies its true role, as the gift of God’s life in us that we can nurture, express and grow in, or not. The gospel puts the law in its true place, as a tutor, as the convicter of sin, not as the conqueror of sin. Only God can justify the ungodly, only He can put His law in our minds and write it on our heart, only He can cause us to love as He does. We need to be connected to the Vine-who-is-love. Then genuine obedience begins to come of its own accord.
 
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I’m started a thread with poll in the sabbath room asking the question if those that worshiped on Sunday were sinning. It amazed me that 14.3% responded with maybe or yes.

Interesting; we need to be mindful that this is only out of those who responded, and those were out of those who actually frequent CF. Compared to the numbers cited by Bob of 24,000,000 (a claim that I and most Christians are skeptical of) this is just a drop in the bucket.
 
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The SDA is monolithic in the believe that the 4th commandment is a moral commandment and to not keep it amounts to disobedience and sin which, without repentance, will not lead to salvation. In other words, keeping the sabbath is required for salvation. They are still legalistic.

They are not monolithic. Some liberal Adventists don't hold to that view.

Of course, for many, they would hold a view similar to Ellen White:

It means eternal salvation to keep the Sabbath holy unto the Lord. God says: "Them that honor Me I will honor." {6T 356.4}​


Satan is the sharpest critic that the world has ever known, and he works to hinder and pervert truth. He has induced men to strive to change the Sabbath of the fourth commandment. Under his dictation the first day of the week has been adopted by the Christian world as the Sabbath. He has used his masterly mind to influence other men to adopt the same views that he himself entertains. But if we turn aside from the fourth commandment, so positively given by God, to adopt the inventions of Satan, voiced and acted by men under his control, we cannot be saved. We cannot with safety receive his traditions and subtleties as truth. {RH, July 6, 1897 par. 4}​
 
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They are not monolithic. Some liberal Adventists don't hold to that view.

Of course, for many, they would hold a view similar to Ellen White:

It means eternal salvation to keep the Sabbath holy unto the Lord. God says: "Them that honor Me I will honor." {6T 356.4}​


Satan is the sharpest critic that the world has ever known, and he works to hinder and pervert truth. He has induced men to strive to change the Sabbath of the fourth commandment. Under his dictation the first day of the week has been adopted by the Christian world as the Sabbath. He has used his masterly mind to influence other men to adopt the same views that he himself entertains. But if we turn aside from the fourth commandment, so positively given by God, to adopt the inventions of Satan, voiced and acted by men under his control, we cannot be saved. We cannot with safety receive his traditions and subtleties as truth. {RH, July 6, 1897 par. 4}​
Hi Tall nice to see you. It’s been a while. Thanks for the information. I did not realize that they had a liberal arm. Everyone of them that I’ve talked to seem to hold traditional SDA beliefs. Do you think that the publication that I quoted in the OP is from the liberal arm of the SDAs?
 
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Hi Tall nice to see you. It’s been a while. Thanks for the information. I did not realize that they had a liberal arm. Everyone of them that I’ve talked to seem to hold traditional SDA beliefs. Do you think that the publication that I quoted in the OP is from the liberal arm of the SDAs?
Yes, Spectrum and Adventist Today tend toward more liberal views.

They are independent, so you get more critical views than official publications. Also, you can get commentary from scholars within the denomination (often after retirement!) who challenge traditional Adventist beliefs.

On the conservative side you have independent sites such as Fulcrum7. Fulcrum7
 
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On a practical level though, the vast majority of Adventists, even those who are more theologically liberal, will see the Sabbath as important.

You have more variety on such questions as the investigative judgment doctrine, etc. A number of clergy and scholars have questioned that doctrine over the years.

It is true that the early Advent movement was not in favor of creeds. And it took some time for the various doctrines to solidify. During the fallout from the disappointment in 1844 those who had participated in the Millerite movement continued to interact in periodicals and gatherings, forming into groups with similar views.

This eventually led to statements about agreed upon matters. They also began to take steps such as ordination of clergy, and property ownership, so that the movement could be more effective in outreach.

Since the dialogue between church officials and Walter Martin regarding whether Adventists were a cult, in the 1950's we see more interaction with Adventist and Evangelicals more broadly. This led to a new publication of doctrinal statements, addressing some critiques by evengelicals.

The introduction of the (at the time 27) fundamental beliefs in the 80s was a continuation of the trend of statements of agreed upon doctrines. But they do spell out quite a bit, so they were more expansive than some earlier statements.

They played an important role in the Desmond Ford discussions, where a prominent professor and teacher of pastors expressed a different view on the investigative judgment doctrine. He was given a hearing, but the documents coming out of the meetings state that they were judging his teaching based on the recently affirmed fundamental belief statements. This resulted in the loss of his ministerial credentials, though not his church membership (he renounced that many years later, as part of an effort to start his own ministry).

The fallout from that was considerable, especially in areas such as Australia and New Zealand, where a sizable group of clergy left, some over theological views, and some simply over the perception of the handling.

In more recent decades, in my opinion, there has also been more willingness on the part of leadership to have a big tent view, not immediately disfellowshipping people if they hold some views not in line with the fundamental beliefs, unless they are particularly vocal about it. And some conferences are more liberal than others, ordaining women clergy locally, though the world church has not approved this, etc.

Even at Christian Forums we see this reflected in the Adventist section, which at one time was one forum. However, as tensions rose between those who held to the fundamental beliefs, and the more progressive members who questioned one or more teaching, the forum was divided into Traditional Adventists and Progressive/Evangelical Adventists. They had difficulty at times getting along, though they were largely still members in their local churches.

I was at that time questioning some Adventist beliefs before eventually leaving, but I was not in favor of the forum being split. The fundamental beliefs still define the official Adventist position. So I don't think it was good to divide the forum , and create a progressive one. The reality is they are all members of the same church, even if there is some variety of opinion. If the denomination won't draw a hard line regarding membership for those who reject particular doctrines, some conflict is inevitable on those lines.

And it was not something we saw much with other denominations, dividing them into traditional and liberal sections on the forum. It gives a negative first impression regarding Adventists overall to do so, in my view.

I think it was partly because the moderation was becoming very difficult, and some of the progressives were pushing for it as a means to say what they wanted.

The irony is that by the time they split some of the more vocal progressives had been banned for repeated violations. And when the two groups couldn't interact as much, the progressive forum was not that busy.

I would still be in favor of them simply rolling the progressive section back into the traditional and making it one Adventist section again.
 
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On a related note, I wound up leaving the denomination after 10 years of pastoral ministry there. I know a number of clergy, even in the conservative area I was in, who disagreed with some Adventist doctrine, but didn't make a point of it publicly.

Some urged me to stay and just not speak about certain issues. And even one of the conference officials hinted that they could send me out to one of the more liberal conferences and I could still pastor there.

But while there are liberal movements, I didn't think it was right to continue in ministry, and receive denominational support, while disagreeing with denominational teaching. So I wound up leaving ministry and resigning my membership.

But others feel they should try to reform from within. To the degree that they misrepresent their views, however, I think that is not the correct course of action.

But I can understand the thinking. Many who disagree with one doctrine or another still see Adventist teaching as the closest to Scripture, so they don't want to leave. So they push for relaxing the official position a bit to leave room for themselves at the table.

Ellen White's writings make that more difficult than it would be in other denominations. They comment on a great many aspects of theology and life. And while the rate of members reading her writings is going down, the continued emphasis and influence of her writings make the doctrinal views of the church less subject to change.
 
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So I wound up leaving ministry and resigning my membership.

You know, you could return to ministry from another denomination. We Orthodox will ordain married men who have not remarried or killed anyone, not limiting ordination to celibates, and others like Anglicans are even less strict.
 
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