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Europe needs to calm down about Greenland

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A good illustration of irreconcilable differences between the US and Europe. We’re not going to see eye-to-eye on this, particularly being that Western Europe regularly changed territories and supported such well into the 20th Century.

I would not be surprised if the US and EU end up coming to blows within our lifetime. It’s not just Greenland; our differences are that great and will only increase.
Oh, I hope we don't come to blows. I'm in the UK, so not part of the EU anymore but we are aligned with them on some matters including Greenland.

I appreciate that several European nations created empires, including my own, so it must be a bit galling when we object to Trump trying to acquire another country. However, I thought the days of empires were over and everyone has learnt from our mistakes. :)
 
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Well, if someone in another suburb owned the house next door to you it would be their responsibility.
But if the person in a far away suburb is not fully taking care of the property and the neighbour has virtually taken on all the responsibility. Then thats a bit unfair. It then becomes ownership by name and not deed. They are paying everything to ensure security and acting like the owners.

Especially considering that the neighbour next door has a serious vested interest in ensuring next door is protected if its connected to their property as whatever happens there will affect them.
However, I think that Greenland is self-governing so I'm not sure how much say Denmark would have in its future. I appreciate that it is in North America, but if it was to be part of another country, on geographic grounds, it would make more sense for it to become part of Canada. However, I think that some of its citizens want it to remain a Danish Territory and others want independence from Denmark. So why would they want to be part of another country?
The US has seperated territories within that region like Alaska. I think if there was to be a single nation on that continent then its obviously the US with the superior ability. Especially considering that the Russians and China are sniffing around the area.
Even if it wasn't for the Danish connection I think Europe would concerned about Trump's attitude towards it. It's not just land; it's people's homes and way of life. You can't just say that you are going to have someone else's property and ride roughshod over their thoughts and feelings.
I don't think that would change. I don't think it would be a case of taking their rights to the area. Rather more a strategic responsibility and authorisation related to national security and ensuring everything is safe.

The issue I think is that the area is one of only a couple of territories that is mainly unoccupied. The ICE is melting and the region is opening up to exploration and development. All powerful nations are interested because its the last areas left on earth.

So moving forward imagine the case that Norway then develops it and becomes an extention of Europe on the US doorstep. Or that China or Russian start trouble. It will be the US who are most affected having nations outside its region infiltrating its region.

In some way, shape or form the US will need to be strongly represented in that region.
 
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Is the United States about to invade Greenland?

This sent the European elite straight to their oft-used fainting couches, which they had to stay firmly emplaced on when Trump himself weighed in and said he still aims to acquire Greenland. This has been his goal since 2019 and has been, off and on, a U.S. strategic aim since the 19th century.

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“I will never have children,” Petersen told The Post, with tears of anger and sorrow welling in her eyes. “That choice was taken from me.”

While the government of Denmark officially apologized last year for decades of forced sterilization of Indigenous women and girls, the horrific mistreatment has cast a long shadow on the island that has become the center of an international ownership fight.

This week, the Danes hosted European troops for military exercises on Greenland, asserting they are protecting the island from outside powers — particularly the United States. But for many Inuit, Denmark itself has long been the real threat.

The Danes don’t see us as humans,” Petersen said at a local Inuit restaurant overlooking Nuuk’s famous fjords. “They think we’re too expensive, too small a population. But they take our land, our children, our lives and expect thanks.
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NUUK, Greenland — Native Greenlander Amarok Petersen was 27 years old when she learned the gut-wrenching truth about why she couldn’t have children — and that Denmark was to blame.
Suffering from severe uterine problems, a medical doctor discovered an IUD birth control device in her body that she didn’t know she had.
Danish doctors had implanted it when she was just 13 as part of a population control program for thousands of native Greenlandic girls and women.
“I will never have children,” Petersen told The Post, with tears of anger and sorrow welling in her eyes. “That choice was taken from me.”
While the government of Denmark officially apologized last year for decades of forced sterilization of Indigenous women and girls, the horrific mistreatment has cast a long shadow on the island that has become the center of an international ownership fight.
This week, the Danes hosted European troops for military exercises on Greenland, asserting they are protecting the island from outside powers — particularly the United States. But for many Inuit, Denmark itself has long been the real threat.

The Danes don’t see us as humans,” Petersen said at a local Inuit restaurant overlooking Nuuk’s famous fjords. “They think we’re too expensive, too small a population. But they take our land, our children, our lives and expect thanks.”

Amarok Petersen, a Greenland resident, stands against a white wooden wall with string lights. 7
Amarok Petersen is one of thousands of Greenlandic women unable to have children after learning Danish doctors implanted an IUD birth control device in her womb as a child.Caitlin Doornbos/NY Post
Even in adulthood, medical decisions were made without Petersen’s consent. Plagued with problems after the IUD, she had repeated surgeries for unexplained pain. It wasn’t until years later that doctors informed her that her fallopian tubes had been removed in one of the operations in the early 2000s.
Her family also suffered under Denmark’s so-called “Little Danes experiment,” in which Greenlandic children were forcibly sent to Denmark for adoption or institutional care — often permanently separated from their families, she said.
The program, which ran from the 1950s through the 1970s, was part of Denmark’s broader effort to assimilate Greenlandic children, often without parental consent.
 
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Oh, I hope we don't come to blows. I'm in the UK, so not part of the EU anymore but we are aligned with them on some matters including Greenland.

I appreciate that several European nations created empires, including my own, so it must be a bit galling when we object to Trump trying to acquire another country. However, I thought the days of empires were over and everyone has learnt from our mistakes. :)
I hope we don't come to blows, either, but I think that will happen one day due to rapidly diverging interests (to put it mildly).

Galling? No. Disingenuous? Yes, particularly the way, less than a century ago, Europe was involved in redrawing boundaries. It's not even about empires, either. A closer equivalent is the US and UK having a keen eye on places for coaling stations in the latter half of the 19th Century. The US has had it's eye on Greenland for strategic reasons for a long time, going back to just a little past the mid 1800s.

It didn't help matters that less than ten years ago Greenland started cozying up to the Chinese, to the point of discussing building an airport and mining. Denmark did a "What are you doing?" and squelched it. China has been shaping up to be a major adversary of the US for a long time, and the arctic look like a potential flash point between the US, China, and Russia. Interest in acquiring Greenland, like US and UK interest in coaling stations back in the day, comes from positioning the US to better deal with a potential conflict.

None of which means that Europe will approve. After all, Europe has its own interests. But European isn't the major factor here.

Does that mean the US will get Greenland? We'll see. Right now the US is content to be nice about it. Yes, for us this is nice. If China makes a move to have a presence on Greenland, nice won't matter.
 
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The President of the United States, quite recently, illegally took the Venezuelan president captive. This administration has, over the last 12 months consistently proven that it has precisely zero regard for the rule of law, either international law nor US law.

What is absolutely evident is that the ordinary expectations from the leader of the free world does not apply to this president, nor to his administration. This is an unprecedented turn of events in the history of American politics, and the last time a major world leader said the sorts of things this one says, and the world refused to take it seriously, it became the Second World War.

Our international friends in Europe, and elsewhere, are perfectly justified in their abundance of caution.

Pretending that the current POTUS is nothing more than a pompous blowhard, and not a genuine threat to global security, is no longer a valid response.

A good US president once said, "Speak softly and carry a big stick." The world has a moral responsibility to carry a big stick. And until the day We the People of these United States reclaim our nation from this current darkness, I pray for peace, and for wisdom among the leaders of the world, and that all freedom-loving people everywhere stand their ground against tyranny, oppression, and the wicked strong men who would desecrate human liberty, dignity, and the rule of law.

Germany went through her hour of darkness and was able to come out of it a better nation. And I believe that the United States, if enough people are willing to heed the wisdom of the past and have ears to hear and eyes to see where America's current road is heading, will be able to avoid being overwhelmed by the dark bitterness and come out without becoming an ugly chapter in the history of modern human civilization. But as long as this administration remains unchecked and unopposed, it is a threat not only to the lives of all American citizens and residents; it is a threat to the whole world. And if peace and order are to be sustained, then I pray it come through the hard won fight of those who are committed to peace, non-violence, democracy, and human freedom.

May God have mercy, and save us from ourselves.
 
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I hope we don't come to blows, either, but I think that will happen one day due to rapidly diverging interests (to put it mildly).

Galling? No. Disingenuous? Yes, particularly the way, less than a century ago, Europe was involved in redrawing boundaries. It's not even about empires, either. A closer equivalent is the US and UK having a keen eye on places for coaling stations in the latter half of the 19th Century. The US has had it's eye on Greenland for strategic reasons for a long time, going back to just a little past the mid 1800s.

It didn't help matters that less than ten years ago Greenland started cozying up to the Chinese, to the point of discussing building an airport and mining. Denmark did a "What are you doing?" and squelched it. China has been shaping up to be a major adversary of the US for a long time, and the arctic look like a potential flash point between the US, China, and Russia. Interest in acquiring Greenland, like US and UK interest in coaling stations back in the day, comes from positioning the US to better deal with a potential conflict.

None of which means that Europe will approve. After all, Europe has its own interests. But European isn't the major factor here.

Does that mean the US will get Greenland? We'll see. Right now the US is content to be nice about it. Yes, for us this is nice. If China makes a move to have a presence on Greenland, nice won't matter.
I think Greenland is willing for an expansion of the US base there. No need to own the territory.
 
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I think in Europe nations claiming a land which is actually within the American noth continent and completely seperate from mainland European continent seems a little unreal.

I mean the US has to regard Greenland as an extension of their territory as its part of their territory. To then say a nation in a different territory should be the guardian and have overseering rights to everything that goes into protecting and securing such a region seems rediculous.

Its like saying that someone in another suburb is responsible for the house next door to me. When my property actually is part of the neighbouring property and they are in another suburb. Its logical that as Greenland is part of the US territory as a continent and its an extention of their territory for which needs to be secured. That the US have rights to this.

And there it is - America's 9-dash line.

And if anyone in the American continent has any "rights' to claim Greenland, it's Canada. the nearest US border is over 2,000 klm away.

Speaking of Canada, maybe they should claim that piece of the US hanging out to their west all on its own with no land link to the other 48 states.
 
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And there it is - America's 9-dash line.

And if anyone in the American continent has any "rights' to claim Greenland, it's Canada. the nearest US border is over 2,000 klm away.

Speaking of Canada, maybe they should claim that piece of the US hanging out to their west all on its own with no land link to the other 48 states.
Well yes Canada could make the same claim. Its right next door. You just acknowledged this. So the idea of a nation claiming territory within its same continent over a nation in another continent seperate from Greenland is not such a crazy idea.

Trump is just 1 nation too far away. But certainly second in line over Denmark.

But then if this is about security then the US has a case for at least controlling such areas like borders and air space ect. I think the basis is that the US is the targeted nation and world power as opposed to China Russia and even the EU to some degree who are now often working against the US. So it may be a case of no one else is capable or should do the job for the US own interests in protecting itself.
 
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tried to accurately understand how the president operates, then you should conclude that this brouhaha is all about negotiating.
If your negotiation strategy includes deliberately stressing everyone out, trying to cause panic so that people will make mistakes to manipulate circumstances in your favor,

that's malevolence. Cruelty.

You wouldn't do that to someone you love or care about. Intentionally make them worry deeply, stressing them out. That would be cruel if you did that to your parents who may be old and fragile like many state leaders are.
 
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OK, but what should we negotiate about?
If the USA (going broke) is going to spend Billions in defense, shouldn't it be ok to use the resources to recoup some of that money? How many years have we been asking NATO to increase defense spending, and you forget that it also protects Europe? Should we trust the EU to protect our backs? This right-winger has seen that NATO members talk big while taking advantage of the USA's power.
And if anyone in the American continent has any "rights' to claim Greenland, it's Canada. the nearest US border is over 2,000 klm away.
What can Canada protect? They spend less on defense than the resist Trump EU. Since we know there will be wars and rumors of wars, I like the idea of the US defence postureing.
If your negotiation strategy includes deliberately stressing everyone out, trying to cause panic so that people will make mistakes to manipulate circumstances in your favor,
You definitely don't read the news. I've been hearing doom and gloom for twenty years, fearing people into doing something.
 
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You definitely don't read the news. I've been hearing doom and gloom for twenty years, fearing people into doing something.
Someone else doing it before doesn't make it right.

I periodically measure my mom's blood pressure and whenever she's stressing on problems real or imagined, her problems or my problems, her blood pressure would spike to unhealthy levels.

It also makes people needlessly distracted. The only time I had a major accident on the road, fortunately only involving myself happened when I'm emotionally distressed.

This is why I'm going to say, deliberately stressing or aggravating people, causing worries, trying to induce panic, trying to force people to commit mistakes as part of one's strategy is just malevolence (or ignorance/stupidity).

Ofc, such behavior not only applies to the POTUS but also to all of us in everything we do. Let's not needlessly aggravate, add stress to people, make things more difficult for others just to get what we want or be able to do what we need to do.

On the other hand, EU is not perfect either. They really need to invest more money on defense than lots of money trying to look picture perfect all the time.
 
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Is the United States about to invade Greenland?

If you listen to EU politicians and much of the U.S. legacy media, and actually take them seriously, then you might answer “yes.” President Donald Trump is going to unleash Delta Force to spirit away the prime minister before we nuke Nuuk (the capital of Greenland) and send in the Army to mop up survivors.

If you’ve followed this issue from the beginning and have tried to accurately understand how the president operates, then you should conclude that this brouhaha is all about negotiating. You also may think that the U.S. is just pursuing a long-term policy more vigorously, and that our allies in Europe really need to chill.

The issue of Greenland suddenly popped back up in the news recently, and I kid you not, because White House adviser Stephen Miller’s wife posted this on X.

This sent the European elite straight to their oft-used fainting couches, which they had to stay firmly emplaced on when Trump himself weighed in and said he still aims to acquire Greenland. This has been his goal since 2019 and has been, off and on, a U.S. strategic aim since the 19th century.

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Trump's brouhaha here is deeply corrosive of the essential bond with the USA's allies. He is in effect saying that he does not respect the sovereignty of said allies.

He can easily reel off a list of essential weakness that need to be addressed in Europe: military spending and lethality, wokism, strategic vulnerabilities to Russian gas and Arab oil, overdependence on trade with China, political weakness demonstrated in the concession of the Chagos islands. His rebukes have led to some good in these areas. But it is clear he only does so to secure leverage and he takes a step too far when he plans to take over European sovereign territories.
 
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Trump's brouhaha here is deeply corrosive of the essential bond with the USA's allies. He is in effect saying that he does not respect the sovereignty of said allies.
I seem to recall that quite recently one of our “allies” threatened to go after US citizens for making remarks it didn’t approve of while on US soil. Nice “respect” for sovereignty there.

There is also the very real question of if we want to be allied with one country that arrests someone for silently praying, and others indirectly funding Russia by buying their gas.
 
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I seem to recall that quite recently one of our “allies” threatened to go after US citizens for making remarks it didn’t approve of while on US soil. Nice “respect” for sovereignty there.

There is also the very real question of if we want to be allied with one country that arrests someone for silently praying, and others indirectly funding Russia by buying their gas.

We can all come up with lists about each others nations. A true patriot is not blind to his nation's faults. I hope that you would be honest enough to admit your own countries failings: 4 US states have no minimum age for child marriage, your rape and murder rates are five times ours...Why should we be allied to a bunch of murderous sexual perverts would be the kind of maladjusted response you invite here. We are allies because language, history, culture and a democratic culture of freedom unite us, because this alliance has kept the peace for more than 7 decades, because together we have the weight to oppose worse evils while apart we do not.

That said the attack on silent prayer in the UK is a clear symptom of EVIL in our governing classes- see the case of Isabel Vaughan-Spruce

The decision to have 50% of Germanys gas supplied by Russia was a major strategic failure by the governing elite and business community in Germany. But you cannot undo a mistake of that size over night. Dependence on Russia is now approaching zero.
 
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By the President:
Robert Lansing,
Secretary of State.

DECLARATION

In proceeding this day to the signature of the Convention respecting the cession of the Danish West-Indian Islands to the United States of America, the undersigned Secretary of State of the United States of America, duly authorized by his Government, has the honor to declare that the Government of the United States of America will not object to the Danish Government extending their political and economic interests to the whole of Greenland.

Robert Lansing
New York, August 4, 1916.


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On August 4 1916 the US Secretary of State, representing the President and the US Government signed a Declaration stating that America was not opposed to Denmark "extending their political and economic interests to the whole of Greenland."

The Declaration concerning Greenland was part of the sale of the Danish West Indies - purchased by America for $25 million!

When Trump initially expressed an interest in annexing Greenland, surely there is someone in the US government and even the White House, that was familiar with the Treaty to purchase the Danish West Indies accompanied by this Proclamation!

Its also inconceivable that President Trump was never at least briefed on this Proclamation that relinquished any and all claims America may have had on Greenland!

The real question is whether Donald Trump is prepared to recognize those American treaties that he hasn't personally negotiated and signed himself!
 
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Is the United States about to invade Greenland?

If you listen to EU politicians and much of the U.S. legacy media, and actually take them seriously, then you might answer “yes.” President Donald Trump is going to unleash Delta Force to spirit away the prime minister before we nuke Nuuk (the capital of Greenland) and send in the Army to mop up survivors.

If you’ve followed this issue from the beginning and have tried to accurately understand how the president operates, then you should conclude that this brouhaha is all about negotiating. You also may think that the U.S. is just pursuing a long-term policy more vigorously, and that our allies in Europe really need to chill.

The issue of Greenland suddenly popped back up in the news recently, and I kid you not, because White House adviser Stephen Miller’s wife posted this on X.

This sent the European elite straight to their oft-used fainting couches, which they had to stay firmly emplaced on when Trump himself weighed in and said he still aims to acquire Greenland. This has been his goal since 2019 and has been, off and on, a U.S. strategic aim since the 19th century.

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I don’t recall reading anything from this author that wasn’t dishonest gaslighting and this piece is no different.

This isn’t negotiating or simply offering to purchase something. Threatening to do bad things to someone (e.g. tariffs) unless they cut a deal with you is extortion. The fact that he’s a head of state and has an army backing him doesn’t make it morally correct.

The MAGA crowd that lost their minds over jewelry store robberies in Oakland, potentially shady business dealings by Hunter Biden, and Minnesotan Somalis engaging in fraud is somehow now okay with their leaders stealing an entire island and publicly arguing that might makes right.

I knew Trump’s fanbase had a loose, opportunistic attachment to their values, but this is something else.
 
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A true patriot is not blind to his nation's faults.
Amen! I guess to be a Patriot, we have to be honest with ourselves to see the true picture.
Someone else doing it before doesn't make it right.
I know, but complaining about it will change nothing. Christens are not consistent about good behavior, especially in politics.
 
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I know, but complaining about it will change nothing. Christens are not consistent about good behavior, especially in politics.

I'm exposing the evil of such strategy or being careless or indifferent about aggravating other people.

I hope it would at least enlighten someone reading my post because such behavior literally endangers people.
 
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I'm exposing the evil of such strategy or being careless or indifferent about aggravating other people.
The evil is the media because it thrives on violence and sensationalised language, but also learning to deal with the stress is important. A simple action would be to disconnect and meditate. Spending time in nature is also good.
 
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I think in Europe nations claiming a land which is actually within the American noth continent and completely seperate from mainland European continent seems a little unreal.
Its like saying: The hiouse next to m< garden is mine, and not to the person from another town who acquired it 120 years ago - I live much nearer!
I mean the US has to regard Greenland as an extension of their territory as its part of their territory. To then say a nation in a different territory should be the guardian and have overseering rights to everything that goes into protecting and securing such a region seems rediculous.
Its for the Greenlanders to decide the matter.
 
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