What is the Judaeo-Christian Faith?

SpiritMorpher · Jan 3, 2026

WHAT IS THE JUDAEO-CHRISTIAN FAITH?

My personal definition of this is: Judaism is the religion, and Christianity is the relationship with Christ or put another way—a follower of Christ. I standby Judaism and Christianity being the same faith.

This faith constitutes a multitude of areas, with 3 fundamental teachings, of which are—Torah, a belief in the Prophets of Israel, and of course God. The central unit of these is the binding glue called Messiah Yeshua or known by most people, Christ Jesus. The fundamental teaching is that the Christ is our salvation, which is what His Hebrew name Yeshua means. An interesting point to note here is that Joshua, the man who led the Israelites into the promised land after Moses had died, is that his Hebrew name is Yehoshua, which is a more ancient way of saying Yeshua. Yeshua now leads us into the promised salvation for eternal life and into the greater promised land of New Jerusalem and a new heaven and new earth. The true faith cannot be lacking in any of the three fundamental teachings. All things in this faith point to Christ Jesus. Christ Jesus is God in flesh and the son of God the Father. John 1:1 (KJV), “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God”. John 1:14 (KJV), “And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth”. What Word was made flesh? Torah! The New Testament wasn’t written yet. Torah is the roots of the Christian faith! The Prophets were followers of Christ before Christ walked as a man; they spoke of Him consistently, which is why the books of the Prophets are so integral to the Christian faith. Now, we cannot forget the other part of God, which is His Spirit. In Hebrew it is known as the Ruach-HaKodesh, what modern time Christians call the Holy Spirit, and some call the Holy Ghost. A belief in the Trinity is core to this faith. During this presentation when I say God I will be talking about the Trinity as a whole, and when I need to be specific, I will state which “person” of God I am speaking about.

Concerning Christ Jesus: We are to believe that He was an actual man fully divine who walked on this earth, that He died on the cross—His flesh was taken to the grave as all other flesh is, that He rose from death in the same flesh creating a perfect resurrected body, and is now seated at the right hand of the Father. We must also believe that He saved us from our sin. His shed blood on the cross is what redeems us and makes us worthy to be with God in eternal life. Only by God’s loving grace through Christ Jesus may we enter His kingdom.

Some people, possibly most raised Christians may be thinking, “Yes, Jesus is the core to our faith, but the Jewish people don’t believe in Jesus and must convert to Christianity to be saved”, and some Jewish people might be denying Christ as part of the Jewish faith. There are several issues with this that I shall individually discuss. These issues are—A lack of believing that Torah is still relevant, a failure to understand that Jesus was and is a Jewish man, a failure to understand Jesus in general, celebrating traditional and national holidays compared to observing God’s appointed times, a dogmatic approach of the universal church making claims to replace the Israelite tribes, the difference in Judaism the religion, traditional Jewish practices, and the ethnic race of Jews. When we can come to look past these issues then people may come to the same understanding as I have on the Judaeo-Christian faith, and not a separation of the two.

Firstly, let’s look at who we are. Galatians 3:28 (KJV), “There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.” There is no more of one ethnicity being chosen, for all of us are chosen. You are Israel if you have chosen Christ as your saviour, regardless if you are ethnically Jewish or not. Once you become Israel you need to remove yourself from the division. There is only one bride of Christ, Israel. We are commonly told in the mainstream Christian world that the bride is the church, but the definition of church means assembly; plus with all the division of denominations, then what church is the bride? Some denominations are so focused on staying divided that they convince their members to believe that they’re the true church. That doesn’t sound like one body to me. Certain denominations claim that Israel is no more and that the church has replaced Israel. They must’ve misread Paul’s letters, and failed to be grafted into Israel. Your’re grafted into Israel, not the worldly church. God’s ideal is Israel, so regardless of what tribe or what denomination you are, you are part of Israel if you are a follower of the resurrected Christ. Recognize your identity, Israel!

There are ethnic Jews, from the tribe of Judah and Benjamin, and religious Jews, which essentially is the religion of Judah, but is not limited to Judah because others have identified with the Jewish religion. The Jewish religon came from the Israelite religion. After the tribes split in two, the House of Israel turned to other gods (Judah did too), while the House of Judah remained somewhat faithful where the religion of Judaism came from. We should understand that religious terms are just a way to identify what God you serve. The God of Israel is YHWH. This is why Judaism and Christianity are one and the same, they have the same God. Jesus is YHWH.

Even though the tribes split, God still has one bride, a collective Israel, the followers of Christ. There is a nation today called Israel. The establishment of this nation is a stage for the new world order, under the antichrist, and is not to be esteemed. Some denominations look to this nation as prophecy, while others outright dismiss it altogether. The land is the land, and should be respected as such; but it is not the answer. It is just another way to separate God’s people by dividing us. God will bring us all home to the true Israel land during His return, and the prophecies of the Prophets should be read this way, in a messianic context, rather than a human-made (such as a freemasonic rothschild Israel zionist state) context. God Himself will bring the people back to the land. Today’s Israel state is a counterfeit.

Jesus is ethinically Jewish. Christians accept this! He obeyed the Law of Moses. He is the one who gave the instructions (Torah) to Moses to begin with. Ponder this, those who believe the Torah (Law of God) is done away with: How can Christ deny Himself? He is the Word made flesh, the Commands of God made flesh! So, He did away with Himself? Not so! The tribe of Judah in the days of Jesus on earth were regarding their rabbinical law higher than the Law of God. This is who Jesus preached against, not Himself and His ways. The mainstream Christian church has failed to understand who Jesus truly is. They have failed to understand God!

The Christian church today is making the exact same mistakes of ancient Israel, and the times of Jesus on earth. Due to denominational factors, ignorance, disobediance, unwillingness to transform through the Holy Ghost, among other things, the church is actively mixing paganism with God, and upholding manmade traditions (which Jesus got onto the teachers of His earthly ministry about) over the commands of God. God does not want worship through pagan means. He does not want His name attached to pagan days. Rather than partake in God’s appointed times, the church has reverted into national and traditional days. The common term for these national and traditional days are known as “holidays”, but I refuse to call them this because they are far from being “Holy days”. Satan has perverted and deceived for thousands of years. Satan has created counterfeit days through a new calendar system and a pagan worship system. God has appointed times for us to partake in, a guide on how He desires to be worshipped, yet people still want to attach His name to their pagan days and claim it is in honor of Him, like His resurrection or His birthday. His resurrection and His birthday already have days that God has appointed, yet man’s heart is so far from God that they choose pagan days to worship Him on. If He didn’t accept the Israelites worshipping Him in these ways, do you think He accepts your worship of Him in these pagan ways? When you accept your identity as Israel you will accept the Torah as the heart of God, desire to follow Him and obey Him, rather than these manmade pagan traditions that honor Satan. You will start observing the feast days and the Sabbath, stop living in ignorance, and you will face persecution from the church.

Let us not be divided in Christ, for if we are divided how will we stand? Let us not remain ignorant. Let us choose God and His ways over the pagan ways of the world. Let the Spirit guide you!

Maria Billingsley · Jan 4, 2026

SpiritMorpher said:
WHAT IS THE JUDAEO-CHRISTIAN FAITH?

My personal definition of this is: Judaism is the religion, and Christianity is the relationship with Christ or put another way—a follower of Christ. I standby Judaism and Christianity being the same faith.

This faith constitutes a multitude of areas, with 3 fundamental teachings, of which are—Torah, a belief in the Prophets of Israel, and of course God. The central unit of these is the binding glue called Messiah Yeshua or known by most people, Christ Jesus. The fundamental teaching is that the Christ is our salvation, which is what His Hebrew name Yeshua means. An interesting point to note here is that Joshua, the man who led the Israelites into the promised land after Moses had died, is that his Hebrew name is Yehoshua, which is a more ancient way of saying Yeshua. Yeshua now leads us into the promised salvation for eternal life and into the greater promised land of New Jerusalem and a new heaven and new earth. The true faith cannot be lacking in any of the three fundamental teachings. All things in this faith point to Christ Jesus. Christ Jesus is God in flesh and the son of God the Father. John 1:1 (KJV), “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God”. John 1:14 (KJV), “And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth”. What Word was made flesh? Torah! The New Testament wasn’t written yet. Torah is the roots of the Christian faith! The Prophets were followers of Christ before Christ walked as a man; they spoke of Him consistently, which is why the books of the Prophets are so integral to the Christian faith. Now, we cannot forget the other part of God, which is His Spirit. In Hebrew it is known as the Ruach-HaKodesh, what modern time Christians call the Holy Spirit, and some call the Holy Ghost. A belief in the Trinity is core to this faith. During this presentation when I say God I will be talking about the Trinity as a whole, and when I need to be specific, I will state which “person” of God I am speaking about.

Concerning Christ Jesus: We are to believe that He was an actual man fully divine who walked on this earth, that He died on the cross—His flesh was taken to the grave as all other flesh is, that He rose from death in the same flesh creating a perfect resurrected body, and is now seated at the right hand of the Father. We must also believe that He saved us from our sin. His shed blood on the cross is what redeems us and makes us worthy to be with God in eternal life. Only by God’s loving grace through Christ Jesus may we enter His kingdom.

Some people, possibly most raised Christians may be thinking, “Yes, Jesus is the core to our faith, but the Jewish people don’t believe in Jesus and must convert to Christianity to be saved”, and some Jewish people might be denying Christ as part of the Jewish faith. There are several issues with this that I shall individually discuss. These issues are—A lack of believing that Torah is still relevant, a failure to understand that Jesus was and is a Jewish man, a failure to understand Jesus in general, celebrating traditional and national holidays compared to observing God’s appointed times, a dogmatic approach of the universal church making claims to replace the Israelite tribes, the difference in Judaism the religion, traditional Jewish practices, and the ethnic race of Jews. When we can come to look past these issues then people may come to the same understanding as I have on the Judaeo-Christian faith, and not a separation of the two.

Firstly, let’s look at who we are. Galatians 3:28 (KJV), “There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.” There is no more of one ethnicity being chosen, for all of us are chosen. You are Israel if you have chosen Christ as your saviour, regardless if you are ethnically Jewish or not. Once you become Israel you need to remove yourself from the division. There is only one bride of Christ, Israel. We are commonly told in the mainstream Christian world that the bride is the church, but the definition of church means assembly; plus with all the division of denominations, then what church is the bride? Some denominations are so focused on staying divided that they convince their members to believe that they’re the true church. That doesn’t sound like one body to me. Certain denominations claim that Israel is no more and that the church has replaced Israel. They must’ve misread Paul’s letters, and failed to be grafted into Israel. Your’re grafted into Israel, not the worldly church. God’s ideal is Israel, so regardless of what tribe or what denomination you are, you are part of Israel if you are a follower of the resurrected Christ. Recognize your identity, Israel!

There are ethnic Jews, from the tribe of Judah and Benjamin, and religious Jews, which essentially is the religion of Judah, but is not limited to Judah because others have identified with the Jewish religion. The Jewish religon came from the Israelite religion. After the tribes split in two, the House of Israel turned to other gods (Judah did too), while the House of Judah remained somewhat faithful where the religion of Judaism came from. We should understand that religious terms are just a way to identify what God you serve. The God of Israel is YHWH. This is why Judaism and Christianity are one and the same, they have the same God. Jesus is YHWH.

Even though the tribes split, God still has one bride, a collective Israel, the followers of Christ. There is a nation today called Israel. The establishment of this nation is a stage for the new world order, under the antichrist, and is not to be esteemed. Some denominations look to this nation as prophecy, while others outright dismiss it altogether. The land is the land, and should be respected as such; but it is not the answer. It is just another way to separate God’s people by dividing us. God will bring us all home to the true Israel land during His return, and the prophecies of the Prophets should be read this way, in a messianic context, rather than a human-made (such as a freemasonic rothschild Israel zionist state) context. God Himself will bring the people back to the land. Today’s Israel state is a counterfeit.

Jesus is ethinically Jewish. Christians accept this! He obeyed the Law of Moses. He is the one who gave the instructions (Torah) to Moses to begin with. Ponder this, those who believe the Torah (Law of God) is done away with: How can Christ deny Himself? He is the Word made flesh, the Commands of God made flesh! So, He did away with Himself? Not so! The tribe of Judah in the days of Jesus on earth were regarding their rabbinical law higher than the Law of God. This is who Jesus preached against, not Himself and His ways. The mainstream Christian church has failed to understand who Jesus truly is. They have failed to understand God!

The Christian church today is making the exact same mistakes of ancient Israel, and the times of Jesus on earth. Due to denominational factors, ignorance, disobediance, unwillingness to transform through the Holy Ghost, among other things, the church is actively mixing paganism with God, and upholding manmade traditions (which Jesus got onto the teachers of His earthly ministry about) over the commands of God. God does not want worship through pagan means. He does not want His name attached to pagan days. Rather than partake in God’s appointed times, the church has reverted into national and traditional days. The common term for these national and traditional days are known as “holidays”, but I refuse to call them this because they are far from being “Holy days”. Satan has perverted and deceived for thousands of years. Satan has created counterfeit days through a new calendar system and a pagan worship system. God has appointed times for us to partake in, a guide on how He desires to be worshipped, yet people still want to attach His name to their pagan days and claim it is in honor of Him, like His resurrection or His birthday. His resurrection and His birthday already have days that God has appointed, yet man’s heart is so far from God that they choose pagan days to worship Him on. If He didn’t accept the Israelites worshipping Him in these ways, do you think He accepts your worship of Him in these pagan ways? When you accept your identity as Israel you will accept the Torah as the heart of God, desire to follow Him and obey Him, rather than these manmade pagan traditions that honor Satan. You will start observing the feast days and the Sabbath, stop living in ignorance, and you will face persecution from the church.

Let us not be divided in Christ, for if we are divided how will we stand? Let us not remain ignorant. Let us choose God and His ways over the pagan ways of the world. Let the Spirit guide you!

For the most part I agree except when I read this :

"This is why Judaism and Christianity are one and the same, they have the same God. Jesus is YHWH."

This statement is false because the acceptance of Jesus's divinity is the definitive doctrinal split between the two religions. While both Judaism and Christianity worship the same God (YHWH) and share the Hebrew scriptures, Judaism fundamentally rejects the premise that "Jesus is YHWH," upholding the absolute and indivisible oneness of God (Shema) and denying any divine intermediary or incarnation. Christianity's entire foundation rests on the belief that Jesus Christ of Nazareth came as God in the flesh, a belief which makes it distinct from Judaism, meaning the two faiths cannot be considered "one and the same."

Thanks for sharing!

SpiritMorpher · Jan 4, 2026

Thank you for reading my sermon, not only reading, but responding. That sounds just like Shema (Hebrew word), which means to hear, but not only to hear, to obey as well. I am guessing that you're taking that word from the classic verse Deuteronomy 6:4 (CJB), “Sh’ma, Yisra’el! Adonai Eloheinu, Adonai echad [Hear, Isra’el! Adonai our God, Adonai is one]". John 10:30 (KJV), "I and my Father are one". It seems to me that Jesus is showing that this Deuteronomy verse is correct! Well... nothing in the Bible is incorrect! My point is that Judaism is correct in what you said about them, the oneness of God. Jesus backs this up.

You're welcome to disagree with me. I knew by posting this that many would. I have a question for you: Would you tell Peter or another apostle, whom of which was Jewish, that because he is Jewish, he therefore rejects Christ as YHWH? It seems to me that you are looking at worldly Judaism, which most do. It is not the real Judaism. Worldly Judaism denies the Messiah as Jesus and follows rabbinical teachings over the truth of Scripture. Check these Scriptures out about fake Jews. Revelation 2:9 (NKJV), “I know your works, tribulation, and poverty (but you are rich); and I know the blasphemy of those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan". Revelation 3:9 (NKJV), "Indeed I will make those of the synagogue of Satan, who say they are Jews and are not, but lie—indeed I will make them come and worship before your feet, and to know that I have loved you".

YHWH can be translated as "behold the hand behold the nail". Imagine you're standing there at the cross, looking directly at YHWH! You would be in utter tears. That is God! Real Jews would accept this. Those practicing a false religion would not because in themselves they believe not in the Scriptures. Rather, they manipulate the Scriptures to fit their way of thinking. Christ was always there in the beginning. So, did Peter deny Judaism? I think not. The cross proved his religion to be true.

tampasteve · Jan 7, 2026

SpiritMorpher said:
"I and my Father are one". It seems to me that Jesus is showing that this Deuteronomy verse is correct! Well... nothing in the Bible is incorrect! My point is that Judaism is correct in what you said about them, the oneness of God. Jesus backs this up.

From a Christian perspective this makes sense and is correct. From a Jewish perspective that is the whole problem, they would argue that it is a lie or that it is false as it cannot be true - God cannot be more than one "person" as God is echad - One, not three persons in one as the Trinity teaches. Of course we disagree, and some older teachings of Judaism would also seem to be in opposition of this extreme oneness teaching.

fhansen · Jan 8, 2026

He’s the same God. Christians “just” know Him better.

stevevw · Jan 9, 2026

I think its the same religion up until Christ. But even then its still the evolution of the same religion as far as the promised Messiah.

All Jewish sects believed in a coming Messiah. In fact the period leading up to Jesus naturally developed into the realisation of the coming Messiah.

So even without Christianity Judaism was naturally moving into a period of an anticipated Messiah. There were other Jewish sects that claimed the Messiah. Its just that Judaism as a whole did not accept Christ as the Messiah.

The Liturgist · Thursday at 9:27 AM

fhansen said:
He’s the same God. Christians “just” know Him better.

I have to disagree on this, except for the case of Jews who have converted to Christianity; some ancient churches which consist mostly or entirely of Jewish converts are the Ethiopian Tewahedo Orthodox, the endogamous Jewish shipwreck survivors who have their own parishes in the Jacobite Syriac Orthodox Church, Malankara Orthodox Syrian Church, and other Mar Thoma churches in Kerala, India (including I would assume the Syro Malabar Catholic Church and the Malankara Catholic Church, which differ in that the former uses the East Syriac Rite historically used in India and the latter uses the West Syriac Rite introduced after the Orthodox of India sought protection under the Syriac Orthodox Patriarchate of Antioch, by which time the East Syriac Rite had become unknown outside of the Assyrian Church of the East and related entities.

Rather, we worship God, the Father, Son and Holy Ghost, one God in three coeternal, coequal persons, sharing the unoriginate nature of the Father, one of whom, the person of the only begotten Son and Word of God, put on our human nature and united it to His divinity without change, confusion, separation or division, the hypostatic union taught by St. Cyril the Pope of Alexandria and Archbishop St. Celestine of Rome, and imposed by the Council of Ephesus in 433 AD. From that council, we know that God became Man, without equivocation, that in the process, the Blessed Virgin Mary*, became the Mother of God, giving birth to God according to the flesh, of which he partook by means of her miraculous impregnation by the Holy Spirit, and would thus be circumcised by the law He wrote, Baptized in the Jordan, providing a means for us to have our sins washed away, transfigured on Mount Tabor, and finally, would be crucified, and rise again on the first day, before ascending into Heaven, making himself a perfect and all sufficient sacrifice, ransoming us from the wages of our sins and giving us hope in the resurrection and life everlasting through faith in Him, and sending down the Holy Spirit, the Lord and Giver of Life who spake by the prophets, to indwell each of us, whom we receive at baptism, whether as infants or as adult converts from other religions.

Those Jews who reject Christianity believe in a God who did not become incarnate, does not consist of multiple persons, and was not prepared to assume our human nature in order to sanctify and glorify it, to the point of dying for our sins on the Cross. Indeed, those who subscribe to Kaballah believe in a God divided into ten sephirot or emanations, each with their own attributes, sometimes called “shards”, whereas we Christians believe that God the Holy Undivided and Life Giving Trinity is undivided, uncompounded, not divisible into constituent parts; he abides in three persons and three hypostases, but each person is fully God, and is distinct but not separate from or of a different nature from the other persons; in this manner God is a unity of three persons, united to an absolute degree by perfect love, the template for the human family, that we are called to make ourselves in our relations with our neighbors a living icon of, by seeking to love our relatives, those in the Church, and our brothers and sisters as a whole throughout mankind as much as the Father, Son and Holy Ghost love each other eternally from before the creation of space and time and all reality in Genesis 1:1 and John 1:1, unto the ages of all ages. In this manner our God is love - a consuming fire of love, unchanging, for unlike the Jews we affirm divine immutability, whose wrath is not a mood he enters into when displeased but rather the experience of the consuming fire of divine love by those who have aligned themselves against God.

*The Theotokos, venerated by both Orthodox and Catholics as immaculate (although we Orthodox reject the Immaculate Conception; our hamartiology, based on the writings of the Latin monk St. John Cassian rather than St. Augustine of Hippo, refutes Pelagianism without requiring the Blessed Virgin Mary to have been immaculately conceived, and addition, such a recent doctrine would never be accepted by us; those who claim we once believed this are reading into the text of our hymns a meaning not intended by the writers; the whole point of Eastern and Oriental Orthodox is that we do not admit doctrinal development (and indeed historically the Roman Church was the most conservative of all when it came to avoiding doctrinal and liturgical development, resisting the introduction of antiphonal singing until St. Ambrose of Milan introduced it in a vigil to prevent the Arians from taking over one of the basillicas in his city in what would, had he capitulated, been the last act of Arian persecution of Christians to be sanctioned by the Emperor, since St. Theodosius was the first Orthodox Catholic Emperor since St. Constantine, but alas, he was fearful of an Arian insurrection; through a vigil, at which the antiphonal hymns first popularized among the Greek Orthodox Christians of Antioch by St. Ignatius the Martyr in the late first century following a dream of two choirs of angels hymning the Lord one after the other, in turn, helped keep the morale of the people steady, and allowed them to persevere until the Arians capitulated, and the basillica remained in Orthodox hands, and has miraculously survived countless wars including the second world war, and still stands today, complete with ancient iconography, being one of the jewels of the Archdiocese of Milan: Basilica of Sant'Ambrogio - Wikipedia

SpiritMorpher · Friday at 7:53 PM

stevevw said:
I think its the same religion up until Christ. But even then its still the evolution of the same religion as far as the promised Messiah.

All Jewish sects believed in a coming Messiah. In fact the period leading up to Jesus naturally developed into the realisation of the coming Messiah.

So even without Christianity Judaism was naturally moving into a period of an anticipated Messiah. There were other Jewish sects that claimed the Messiah. Its just that Judaism as a whole did not accept Christ as the Messiah.

I like how you describe it as an evolution of the same religion. It's an extension of the same covenant. This is sadly rejected by mainstream Christianity because they don't want to view their faith as an extension of the Mosaic covenant because they believe that the Mosaic covenant no longer exists.

Going back to the time of Adam and Eve there was a promised Saviour to come. All who believed in this promise were essentially believing in Christ. This was way before the Israelites became a nation! We will meet all these believers one day because they're with God! As we know we're not saved by works, but through Christ Himself. Just as our faith makes us whole, so the ancients would be with Christ in eternity also. The same is then applied to all the Israelites and eventually the Jews who believed and trusted in the promise of God that a deliverer would one day come. They were believing in Christ. Therefore, it is the same religion. People are looking at a counterfeit Judaism. Think about this: Adam and Eve didn't have a religion, just a relationship with God. Religion didn't exist yet. Religion was created by Satan to take people away from a relationship with God. True religion can only be someone who believes and trusts in Messiah. He is still the same promised one from Adam and Eve's time. We are waiting on His return. Essentially, we have the same test of faith that has been here since man's beginning. The central ingredient to the real Judaism is the belief in Messiah. People tend to get so focused on it being about laws and regulations and overlook the truth of what the Scriptures are really pointing to. The Bible is the heart of God. It is who He is. It is who Christ is. When we read the laws and regulations, we're looking at God Himself in written form. He gave Himself to us in writing. A lot of the laws is to show a distinction between His people and the false religions of those days. Everything Satan is, is what God is not. One day a man of lawlessness will come. Lawlessness? Okay, so what law does this man not approve of? God's law of course! This is why Torah is so important! Christianity is truly an extension, or evolution, of one faith, originating with Adam and Eve, and the root of this faith is the LAW...

stevevw · Friday at 8:35 PM

SpiritMorpher said:
I like how you describe it as an evolution of the same religion. It's an extension of the same covenant. This is sadly rejected by mainstream Christianity because they don't want to view their faith as an extension of the Mosaic covenant because they believe that the Mosaic covenant no longer exists.

Yes an almost Gnosticism. I think especially the progressive ideas that have entered the church. Not only rejection the Jewish roots but also as a result this unmoors Christ and its easy to then create or reimagine new representations.

Which naturally will step into more mystical and overly spiritualised version. Which in turn can be conflated with feelings rather than reality.

SpiritMorpher said:
Going back to the time of Adam and Eve there was a promised Saviour to come. All who believed in this promise were essentially believing in Christ. This was way before the Israelites became a nation! We will meet all these believers one day because they're with God! As we know we're not saved by works, but through Christ Himself. Just as our faith makes us whole, so the ancients would be with Christ in eternity also. The same is then applied to all the Israelites and eventually the Jews who believed and trusted in the promise of God that a deliverer would one day come. They were believing in Christ. Therefore, it is the same religion. People are looking at a counterfeit Judaism. Think about this: Adam and Eve didn't have a religion, just a relationship with God. Religion didn't exist yet. Religion was created by Satan to take people away from a relationship with God. True religion can only be someone who believes and trusts in Messiah. He is still the same promised one from Adam and Eve's time. We are waiting on His return. Essentially, we have the same test of faith that has been here since man's beginning. The central ingredient to the real Judaism is the belief in Messiah. People tend to get so focused on it being about laws and regulations and overlook the truth of what the Scriptures are really pointing to. The Bible is the heart of God. It is who He is. It is who Christ is. When we read the laws and regulations, we're looking at God Himself in written form. He gave Himself to us in writing. A lot of the laws is to show a distinction between His people and the false religions of those days. Everything Satan is, is what God is not. One day a man of lawlessness will come. Lawlessness? Okay, so what law does this man not approve of? God's law of course! This is why Torah is so important! Christianity is truly an extension, or evolution, of one faith, originating with Adam and Eve, and the root of this faith is the LAW...

I think there is a strong connection and especially to Genises and creation. This establishes Gods order and this relates to Christ and His church.

But it is from Adam and his line to the Hebrews which is also represented through the new testament. Modern priesthood a evolution of Jewish priesthood. The animal sacrifice becoming Christs sacrifice. The spilling of the blood of the lamb. The enslavement in Egypt and the Passover.

The connections to these events and lessons that are reflected in the NT are everywhere if you understand. Without this then Christ would be meaningless and just another pagan religion.

SpiritMorpher · Friday at 9:05 PM

stevevw said:
Yes an almost Gnosticism. I think especially the progressive ideas that have entered the church. Not only rejection the Jewish roots but also as a result this unmoors Christ and its easy to then create or reimagine new representations.

Which naturally will step into more mystical and overly spiritualised version. Which in turn can be conflated with feelings rather than reality.

I think there is a strong connection and especially to Genises and creation. This establishes Gods order and this relates to Christ and His church.

But it is from Adam and his line to the Hebrews which is also represented through the new testament. Modern priesthood a evolution of Jewish priesthood. The animal sacrifice becoming Christs sacrifice. The spilling of the blood of the lamb. The enslavement in Egypt and the Passover.

The connections to these events and lessons that are reflected in the NT are everywhere if you understand. Without this then Christ would be meaningless and just another pagan religion.

1.) Thanks for the new word! I had to look up "unmoored". It is a very distinct and unique word that can be used in so many interesting ways.

2.) Right. Everything about Christ and all the connections you pointed to shows us how He is different. If all this was unnecessary then I would follow a doctrine of reincarnation. Because with reincarnation, where I end up, is completely determined by my own works and how much karma I produce (reddit? lol). But when we look at Christ and all those connections from the OT, it is clear, that even though a system of rules and regulations was given, that it was never about how well people followed them, but their own faith in God (Yeshua, Jesus Christ) that gave them salvation. It was never works based, but always by His loving grace and compassion that all have been received unto Him, through their trust and faith in Him. It is so much easier to look at them and say something like, "I believe in Jesus, so there's no need for me to try and observe these commandments." They are lacking the Holy Spirit, which transforms them. There is no desire to transform, so where is their fruit? Why are they holding back the power of the Spirit? Interestingly, the same people deny the OT, use it for their own purposes when it benefits them.

concretecamper · Friday at 9:50 PM

SpiritMorpher said:
WHAT IS THE JUDAEO-CHRISTIAN FAITH?

IIs it similar to The Islamic-Christian faith?

SpiritMorpher · Friday at 10:01 PM

concretecamper said:
IIs it similar to The Islamic-Christian faith?

What is that? Is this a real question, or a trap of sorts? One cannot be a follower of Christ if they're partaking in a satanic religion. Look at the truth of what Islam is. It is the furthest thing from Christianity. Satan himself created the religion through Muhammed. Islam is a counterfeit of the Judaeo-Christian religion.

stevevw · Saturday at 12:58 AM

SpiritMorpher said:
1.) Thanks for the new word! I had to look up "unmoored". It is a very distinct and unique word that can be used in so many interesting ways.

Yeah I like it as it denotes a boat on the water which is not moored in a safe harbour. It can then drif out to sea or be smashed by the waves and on the rocks.

SpiritMorpher said:
2.) Right. Everything about Christ and all the connections you pointed to shows us how He is different. If all this was unnecessary then I would follow a doctrine of reincarnation. Because with reincarnation, where I end up, is completely determined by my own works and how much karma I produce (reddit? lol).

Its a bit similar to "you reap what you sow".

SpiritMorpher said:
But when we look at Christ and all those connections from the OT, it is clear, that even though a system of rules and regulations was given, that it was never about how well people followed them, but their own faith in God (Yeshua, Jesus Christ) that gave them salvation. It was never works based, but always by His loving grace and compassion that all have been received unto Him, through their trust and faith in Him. It is so much easier to look at them and say something like, "I believe in Jesus, so there's no need for me to try and observe these commandments." They are lacking the Holy Spirit, which transforms them. There is no desire to transform, so where is their fruit? Why are they holding back the power of the Spirit? Interestingly, the same people deny the OT, use it for their own purposes when it benefits them.

Yes all the lead up is what reveals us as sinners that fall short of the law. It all leads to Christ. I think even the Jews want that in some ways. They are waiting for a Messiah to free the Jews and restore Gods law in the land. A sort of Kingdom on earth. As opposed to Gods Kingdom through Christ which is spiritual. A transformation spiritually that we want to plewase God with out new nature.

concretecamper · Saturday at 9:31 AM

SpiritMorpher said:
What is that? Is this a real question, or a trap of sorts?

It's a question. Both Islam and Judaism claim to worship the God of Abraham. So why can't there be an Islamic-Christian faith?

concretecamper · Saturday at 11:26 AM

SpiritMorpher said:
He obeyed the Law of Moses.

Did He? Did He stone the woman caught in adultery?

ChubbyCherub · Saturday at 11:41 AM

It's where Jewish people accept Jesus Christ as their Savior.

The Jewish religion, which denies Christ, and the Christian faith are not compatible.

The Liturgist · Saturday at 4:45 PM

SpiritMorpher said:
What is that? Is this a real question, or a trap of sorts? One cannot be a follower of Christ if they're partaking in a satanic religion. Look at the truth of what Islam is. It is the furthest thing from Christianity. Satan himself created the religion through Muhammed. Islam is a counterfeit of the Judaeo-Christian religion.

The Church regarded Islam initially as a heresy, a variant of Arianism with Nestorian aspects; also Islam directly influenced the Byzantine Empire and led to the ancient Iconoclast heresy, since in contrast to ancient Judaism (which had iconography - we know this both from the Bible with the divinely mandated icons of the Cherubim, among the holiest of angels, on the Ark of the Covenant, and from the excavated synagogue at Dura Europos and other historical sites (the Synagogue at Dura Europos and the nearby house church, which featured an altar and other liturgical acoutrements providing even more second century architectural provenance (we have second century icons and second century liturgical texts) in support of Patristic Orthodoxy, the shared catholicity of the Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, the Ancient / Assyrian Church of the East*) later adopted and taught by the traditional Protestants: the Moravians, Lutherans, Anglicans, Calvinists, Waldensians, Methodists, and Congregationalists and a few related denominations, all of which are Catholic but not Roman Catholic, but the Roman Catholics teach the traditional faith as well, despite the unfortunate schism caused by their uncanonical excommunication of the Patriarch of Constantinople in 1054, and of Antioch in 1078, and later hardened by violence towards Eastern Christians in the Crusades, but since Vatican II, the Romans have really made amends for that, and the recent meeting between Pope Leo and Patriarch Bartholomew and the meetings betwern Pope Francis and Patriarch Kyrill of Moscow and Pope Tawadros, the Coptic Pope of Alexandria, were a cause for real joy on my end, also the Romans returned many sacred relics, including the Three Holy Hierarchs (although given the fantacism of the Erdogan regime a part of me wishes these relics had not been returned to Constantinople, aince the church they are now in, the Patriarchal Cathedral of St. George, has never been allowed to fully repair the damage caused by the pogrom against the local Greeks in the 1950s, and that combined with provocative acts like converting the Hagia Sophia from a museum back into a mosque….troubles me).

At any rate, St. John of Damascus (known to Roman Catholics as St. John Damascene) classified Islam as a heresy in his Fount of Knowledge, a view widely held for many centuries.

*Prior to the genocide of Muslim warlord Tamerlane in the 12th century the Church of the East was larger than the Roman Catholic church was at the time, indeed, the Roman Church did not exceed the Church of the East, sometimes erroneously called the Nestorian church, in geographical reach until the Portuguese and Spanish empires expanded into Asia and the Americas. This church also had the largest contiguous uncontested territorial apostolate of any ancient denomination until the Russian Orthodox Church spread across Siberia and ironically into several places in Central Asia, and also Mongolia and Tibet, that previously had been served by the Church of the East until all its members were martyred except for those in the Middle East and Kerala.

Later, Catholics and others, including heretical groups like the Molokans and Dukhobors, began to compete with the ROC, and from an EO perspective, as missions expanded its reach, the largest church of undisputed geographical authority within the Eastern Orthodox Communion became the Greek Orthodox Patriarchate of Alexandria and All Africa (Constantinople tries to claim jurisdiction everywhere outside of the ancient defined jurisdictions as the successor to Old Rome but the only place where this might have validity is in Australia and possibly South America, since North America was recognized as Russian Orthodox territory until the Revolution, and since 1970 the OCA has been the autocephalous church of the US and Canada, but her autocephaly is not recognized by the EP, additionally the autonomous Antiochian Orthodox Church in North America continues to exist as the direct heir to churches with Antiochian clergy under the ROC, established to cater to Arabic speaking Orthodox immigrants but with strong Slavonic influences even now, for instance, the primate of the AOCNA is a Metropolitan but the equivalent rank in the Antiochian church elsewhere is Archbishop, Metropolitans being of a lower rank outside of the Russo-Polish-Ukrainian North Slavonic tradition, but this works because the canonical EO churches of North America cooperate with a unified Synod.

Luke81718 · Saturday at 4:58 PM

Judaism is an Antichrist religion.

There is no Judeo in my Christianity.

Christ was indeed a Jew, insofar as He was of the tribe of Judah, and from the region of Judea. But Christ did not come for the Jews, but the Lost Sheep of the house of Israel. Am I one of those lost and dispersed sheep for which He came, perhaps. Or am I a sheep from another fold? I will not know until I see him face to face. Whether an Israelite by descent, or whether I have been grafted in, it matters not. I am an Israelite by faith, a member of true Israel, which is now the only Israel, the Israel of God.

SpiritMorpher · Saturday at 5:18 PM

Luke81718 said:
Judaism is an Antichrist religion.

There is no Judeo in my Christianity.

Christ was indeed a Jew, insofar as He was of the tribe of Judah, and from the region of Judea. But Christ did not come for the Jews, but the Lost Sheep of the house of Israel. Am I one of those lost and dispersed sheep for which He came, perhaps. Or am I a sheep from another fold? I will not know until I see him face to face. Whether an Israelite by descent, or whether I have been grafted in, it matters not. I am an Israelite by faith, a member of true Israel, which is now the only Israel, the Israel of God.

I am in agreement with you. My original post is exactly what you have stated. The only difference is I use Judaism as a broad term to define a many of things, a religion, the people of Judah, a faith in the Scriptures; and I make an attempt to explain the details of each one, so that people may see the difference in the people, the false religion of Judaism, and the real religion of Judaism. The real religion is that of Christ. Paul didn't stop being Jewish. Not only was he Jewish in religion, but Jewish in ethnicity.

There is a fake Israel right now, and there are fake Jews also.

Luke81718 · Sunday at 12:17 AM

SpiritMorpher said:
I am in agreement with you. My original post is exactly what you have stated. The only difference is I use Judaism as a broad term to define a many of things, a religion, the people of Judah, a faith in the Scriptures; and I make an attempt to explain the details of each one, so that people may see the difference in the people, the false religion of Judaism, and the real religion of Judaism. The real religion is that of Christ. Paul didn't stop being Jewish. Not only was he Jewish in religion, but Jewish in ethnicity.

There is a fake Israel right now, and there are fake Jews also.

"Christianity has the distinction of being the only world religion that begins by discarding the creed of it's founder."
Sir Anthony Buzzard

With the exception of Judaism of course.
They rejected the founder Himself.

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