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The Bible does not teach either model. God knows His creation so don’t make a fool out of Him.
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Nicolaus Copernicus was a devout Roman Catholic cleric(a canon, not necessarily a priest) who developed the heliocentric model, believing studying the universe glorified God, and saw no conflict between his faith and science, receiving support from Church officials during his life before later Protestant opposition led to his work being banned
. He was a diligent churchman, serving the Church as a physician and administrator, and dedicated his groundbreaking book to the Pope, viewing his astronomical work as understanding God's perfect design.
Copernicus's Religious Life & Role:
- Catholic Cleric: He held the position of a canon (church administrator) in Frombork Cathedral, Warmia, and was educated in canon law.
- Physician & Administrator: He served the Church and his uncle (a bishop) as a physician, diplomat, and economic manager.
- Deep Faith: He believed understanding the universe's intricate workings was a form of worship and a way to comprehend God's wisdom.
His Heliocentric Theory & The Church:
- Not Anti-Christian: Copernicus sought to understand God's creation, not debunk faith, viewing his math-based theory as revealing divine order.
- Initial Church Support: He shared his ideas with Church figures, including Pope Clement VII, who was reportedly pleased.
- Later Conflict: While Copernicus faced little opposition during his life, his theory later clashed with Church-endorsed views, leading to Protestant opposition and, much later, a Catholic ban, notes The Christian Science Monitor.
In Essence: Copernicus was a committed Christian and Church official who saw his scientific discoveries as harmonious with his faith, a perspective that would later face challenges but was rooted in a deeply religious understanding of the cosmos, according to welldesignedfaith.net.
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Scripture does not teach giocentrism or heliocentrism. It does not have to. God left a bunch of stuff for His human creation to find out which is why He created humans with the ability to think and why He created science.
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It teaches Geocentrism, it's the heliocentric earth that it doesn't teach.
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I’m not playing this childish game. We have looked at the verses before and you have been corrected many times before on how you interpret them. Again, geocentrism has been fully debunked.
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Again, not by God it hasn't.
King James Bible
Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
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God invented science and people that can think. Many scientists do what they do for the glory of God. I’m an engineer and a historian and everything I do is for the glory of God. Your incorrect belief does not edify God. The geocentric model has been fully debunked because is not what God created. Everything that God created will debunk everything that He has not created because His truth is always absolute.
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He created the earth.
He created it's foundations.
He created an unmovable earth.
He created two great lights.
He created all the stars.
He created the sun & the moon which he stopped.
And your trying to tell me this is not what God created.
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I wonder what would happen if we all simply stopped trying to talk sense into this obsession that borders on trolling. No amount of proof is going to satisfy an insincere person just trying to feed their obsession. I’m ignoring it from this point on. She has apologized, claimed she will stop with these lies but continues to persist. If the op wants to post lies and slander then let her. She can always speak with her fellow tinfoilers. It’s a sad thing when these threads are the busiest on the board and it’s not doing anyone any favors. Nobody learns anything when someone just throws proven lies out there and just comes back with stupid replies like nope. And asking the same questions over and over. I think some introspection is in order and it time to stop feeding the obsession and sickness of the cult called flat earth. There comes a time to dust your sandals.
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Yep. A spherical earth.
This is symbolic language. The teaching is that because of Gods power the earth is secure in God. God is in control.
Yep. One is the sun and the other is the moon which reflects the light of the sun at night.
Sure did. The closest star is the sun and the others are much further away.
He did not stop them forever but just to allow more light for Israel to defeat its enemy.
Nope. I’m telling you that your interpretation is wrong. These passages teach a lesson and are not to be interpreted literally.
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It describes creation from the viewpoint of someone on Earth. It does not "teach" it.
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He's dead. You are ignorant. Rob Skiba, if ever once you listened to him, always said, "Don't take my word for any of this, study it yourself."
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