The seemingly "discrepencies" between the apostles James and Paul.

ZNP said:

No, it was Jesus who did that when He said He was Lord of the Sabbath. The Sabbath was given as a day of rest to the Old creation, we are no longer in the Old creation but the new, so I celebrate the day of resurrection, the first day of the new creation.

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I remember Jesus saying he is the Lord of the Sabbath, but I don’t remember when he taught his followers to stop keeping the Sabbath holy, which would be a sin.

where was that?

Dkh587 said:

I remember Jesus saying he is the Lord of the Sabbath, but I don’t remember when he taught his followers to stop keeping the Sabbath holy, which would be a sin.

where was that?

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When the pharisees tried to condemn his disciples, He told them that He was Lord of the Sabbath and reminded them what David did "which was not lawful to do".

Am I understanding you correctly, you think that Christians in the NT need to keep the commandment to keep the Sabbath day holy, and by Sabbath day you mean Saturday.

Dkh587 said:

The “observe no such thing” was talking about the vow that Paul took.

Think about it: what sense would it make to tell new converts to take a Nazarite vow?

also, you need to go back to Acts 15:21. James gave those commands as a starting point, because Moses was read every Sabbath.

The Gentiles coming into the faith would learn the law of Moses as they gathered with the Body every Sabbath.

the Gentiles coming into the fold were already observing the Sabbath.

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So are you saying James wanted the Gentiles to follow the Law of Moses, like the Jews, except that Nazarite vow only?

Oncewaslostbutamfound said:

No. If someone is saved they will do works. They will change.

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Paul in Romans speaks of 'the obedience of faith' and 'obedience to the faith'.

When the pharisees tried to condemn his disciples, He told them that He was Lord of the Sabbath and reminded them what David did "which was not lawful to do". Am I understanding correctly, you think that Christians in the NT need to keep the commandment to keep the Sabbath day holy, and by Sabbath day you mean Saturday.

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The passages of the new testament of the Bible do not teach that we do not have a need of the commandments from Yahweh our God, Jesus did not teach to disregard them. Jesus taught to observe further than what observant Jews did, not less. It does not mean that gentiles, who would be permitted to be included in the restoration of the gospel to God, were to become observant Jews, but the commandments still show the morality according to the will of God. I and others do remember the Sabbath is holy, as God revealed, and it is a memory of God creating the world in six days and resting from the creative works. There is no important reason to not do so, with rest, and remembering things of God, or with prayer. Having Sabbath rest this way will benefit.

With saving faith that we have with repentance, in Christ, we will grow in obedience with acts showing it, while not doing these things for showing it.

Dkh587 said:

The “observe no such thing” was talking about the vow that Paul took.

Think about it: what sense would it make to tell new converts to take a Nazarite vow?

also, you need to go back to Acts 15:21. James gave those commands as a starting point, because Moses was read every Sabbath.

The Gentiles coming into the faith would learn the law of Moses as they gathered with the Body every Sabbath.

the Gentiles coming into the fold were already observing the Sabbath.

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Wow, so are you saying that Gentiles are to be circumcised, since you claim that the no such thing applies only to that vow?

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20 And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord, and said unto him, Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law:

21 And they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children, neither to walk after the customs.

22 What is it therefore? the multitude must needs come together: for they will hear that thou art come.

23 Do therefore this that we say to thee: We have four men which have a vow on them;

24 Them take, and purify thyself with them, and be at charges with them, that they may shave their heads: and all may know that those things, whereof they were informed concerning thee, are nothing; but that thou thyself also walkest orderly, and keepest the law.

25 As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written and concluded that they observe no such thing, save only that they keep themselves from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication.

ZNP said:

So do you believe that James wandered from the truth?

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No, but think of it this way. Even though the book of James was the first NT book ever written, why did the Holy Spirit placed his book after Paul's epistles to the Body of Christ?

It is because after the rapture, the doctrine contained in James would be very relevant to Israel facing the Tribulation.

But James is not the book that the Body of Christ is suppose to go to for salvation doctrine now. We can learn principles from it of course.

Of course, gentiles becoming believers did not and do not need to become Jews, they do not need a circumcision that would be for becoming Jewish. The commandments, voiced by God and written on stone with the finger of God, twice, were showing God's will, and it is right for us and any to observe those, while no one would be saved from life of sin in this world with doing that, but it cannot be really done by those who are not saved. There is God's grace with salvation being done through Christ with anyone's repentant faith. Then there should be growth spiritually in godliness which God saves anyone for, bringing them out from their sins. Commandments from God are still right, while sacrifices of any which are created by God are not effective for anything and should not continue while atonement from Christ is effective.