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Ukraine agrees to demilitarized economic zone in Donbas to advance Trump’s peace plan
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There were debates and questions back then about NATO expansion, which I thought was a bad idea in my 30s. You remember the one with Kissinger I posted on another thread, without watching that show alot of young people wouldn't know there was a debate about Nato expansion.
Before I become a hypocryte I have to see if my country has done the same, and unfortanely I can't complain. America has done things like a thief, except for the ME, which still plagues us to this day, for their hegemony and the arrogance to think we would be better off than the British Empire. America debt ridden fall is the same.
No, it did not. The fear of NATO expansion was before this.
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OT, but if you think about it, China right now is similar to Russia when it comes to red lines. Everyone is aware of the current situation between China and Taiwan. Look at China on the map, they are surrounded by Western allies, and then the West had the gall to ask India into the country club. China sees this as aggression, and we'll be debating this topic when that war comes, all because we gave our chip manufacturing to cheaper labor.
China is waiting till they know they can take Taiwan, and the reason for their 6 to 1.8 military build up rate. The big question is, will it come to nukes if someone is getting spanked?
I prefer peace
China is waiting till they know they can take Taiwan, and the reason for their 6 to 1.8 military build up rate. The big question is, will it come to nukes if someone is getting spanked?
I prefer peace
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Why fear other nations deciding to join NATO?
That's right: Russia can't invade a NATO country. It want's it's neighbours vulnerable for invasion and being a member of NATO stops that.
Larniavc said: You talk about history? Review all the countries over the years that Russia has taken and held by force.
Well? Your response would be?
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I said I won't be a hypocrite because our countries have done the same, unless you think we are superior to everyone else.
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Another thing to look at is all the former countries that benefited under the beloved leadership of the Soviet Union. How many of the former Warsaw Pact are trying to get back to the happy old days of Soviet Dominance?
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The fact remains, the U.S. (and NATO) have never taken an inch of Russian soil. Does that make us superior? No. But we have kept the peace in Europe since the end of WW2. There is no doubt that without NATO, Putin would have re-taken Ukraine and the Balkins and possibly more. Putin has repeatedly stated that he wants to retore the "Russian Empire." I have no reason to do doubt him.
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No one is letting Russia suceed they are succeeding on their own. Ukraine doesn't have the manpower to hold the front, and we knew this years ago if this became a war of attrition.
We wouldn't be talking about this war if we weren't so arrogant. I think Biden stepped into what G. Bush stepped into years ago, but not as badly. We misjudged Russian capabilities, and we thought we could win, no need for peace if you think you have a winning hand.
Edit: I forgot to add the document.
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No. Both Putin and Biden misjudged the resolve of the Ukranian people to defend their homeland. Everyone assumed Ukraine would fall in a matter of weeks if Putin invaded.
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