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Ukraine agrees to demilitarized economic zone in Donbas to advance Trump’s peace plan

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Zelensky seems to finally have figured out he has to take some kind of concession step as Trump explained to him.

Relax, enjoy your Christmas dinner pull some crackers and let the world take care of itself, one day at least.

Please.
 
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It placates Trump, who is too stupid to understand anything more than his own naval, and puts the ball in Putin's court.

Putin wants the war to continue, so the situation will remain unchanged.

Relax, enjoy your Christmas dinner pull some crackers and let the world take care of itself, one day at least.

Please.

It isn't Christmas in Russia.
 
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It placates Trump, who is too stupid to understand anything more than his own naval, and puts the ball in Putin's court.

Putin wants the war to continue, so the situation will remain unchanged.



It isn't Christmas in Russia.

It is about Ukraine and in Ukraine it has been changed from 7Jan to 25Dec.

You should at least know something if you are going to shoot your mouth off.
 
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Relax, enjoy your Christmas dinner pull some crackers and let the world take care of itself, one day at least.

Please.
It is about Ukraine and in Ukraine it has been changed from 7Jan to 25Dec.

You should at least know something if you are going to shoot your mouth off.
Using christmas to try and shut people up. Nice.
 
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On the matter of the demilitarisation plans, I don't see that working out. Putin might agree, but only so the ukranian troops vacate their well-fortified positions. Then, and after resupplying his troops, he'll fabrictate a reason for another attack to try and conquer Ukraine, or at least anything east of the Dnieper.
 
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All Ukraine has to do is listen to Russia because they haven't been doing well because of manpower. Russia will create a buffer zone that Putin requested a decade ago due to NATO expansion. Ukraine wants to keep the land that their Army holds and Putin won't stop till he gets what he is after (Not the whole of Ukraine. Zillinsky better hurry up because if they lose the Port of Odesa (I hope not), they'd be in deep kimchi.
 
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All Ukraine has to do is listen to Russia because they haven't been doing well because of manpower. Russia will create a buffer zone that Putin requested a decade ago due to NATO expansion. Ukraine wants to keep the land that their Army holds and Putin won't stop till he gets what he is after (Not the whole of Ukraine. Zillinsky better hurry up because if they lose the Port of Odesa (I hope not), they'd be in deep kimchi.

The russians are nowhere near Odesa. What do you see the russians doing? A naval landing? The russian fleet is functionally contained in the eastern Black sea, so at the moment that seems unlikely.
 
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I would be more careful with the point that says security guarantees are null and void if Ukraine attacks Russia. Because Russia might run an operation and pin it on Ukraine which would then allow the usa or eu to pull out of helping security.

Also, the USA should never have a free trade agreement with a Russia that Putin is in charge of. Does Trump really want that or is that a carrot for peace?
 
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Zelensky seems to finally have figured out he has to take some kind of concession step as Trump explained to him.
Well done Mr Trump. Rewarding Putin’s imperialism and getting one over on a man he clearly hates.

Waging war on your neighbours should always be rewarded.
 
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Well done Mr Trump. Rewarding Putin’s imperialism and getting one over on a man he clearly hates.

Waging war on your neighbours should always be rewarded.
There have been over a million casualties much because Democrats elected Joe Biden and Joe said a "minor incursion" would be allowed. I had an immediate reaction and was dreading that Putin would invade and call it a minor incursion. My fears became reality. Everyone's life is precious. At least one man in the world is trying to negotiate peace, it is madness to fight a war with no ending. Ukraine does not have to accept any offer, but at least someone is seeing that an offer is made.
 
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The russians are nowhere near Odesa. What do you see the russians doing? A naval landing? The russian fleet is functionally contained in the eastern Black sea, so at the moment that seems unlikely.
Heck, Ukraine is striking their fleet beyond the Black Sea and Turkey is now effectively enforcing a no-fly zone over the sea for Russian aircraft and drones after the idiotic strikes they pulled off.
 
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There have been over a million casualties much because Democrats elected Joe Biden and Joe said a "minor incursion" would be allowed. I had an immediate reaction and was dreading that Putin would invade and call it a minor incursion.
I see you are still trying to spread this bit of bull. Putin was invading, no matter who was in power in the USA. It's incredible how much of main character syndrome some people in USA suffer from.
 
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I see you are still trying to spread this bit of bull. Putin was invading, no matter who was in power in the USA. It's incredible how much of main character syndrome some people in USA suffer from.
As I've said, as soon as Joe said those words I immediately thought of Putin taking the chance to invade. There is no way he would have done it with Trump in office. That's because Putin knew there would have been a different response.
 
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You're not practicing you own advice here you know.





































You're not practicing you own advice here you know.

I know, becausr I do not have Christmas dinner or crackers or any of the other things.

It came to me in my thoughs, the famous, Christmas truce from ww1.

It lasted only one day, what is wrong with giving peace a chance.

It might be good for all the armchair generals on CF to take a day off.
 
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There have been over a million casualties much because Democrats elected Joe Biden and Joe said a "minor incursion" would be allowed. I had an immediate reaction and was dreading that Putin would invade and call it a minor incursion. My fears became reality. Everyone's life is precious. At least one man in the world is trying to negotiate peace, it is madness to fight a war with no ending. Ukraine does not have to accept any offer, but at least someone is seeing that an offer is made.
Biden made my tap-water taste funny too!
 
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At least one man in the world is trying to negotiate peace,
No he is not. He wants Ukraine to surrender so he can make deals with Russia.
 
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