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Kathleen30 · 2025-12-17T01:09:55-0600

prodromos said:
Well before the 19th century.

Not necessarily there are still hold outs of those who believe in the geocentric viewpoint. Certainly in the Roman Cathode Church and Protestant churches right up to this present day. And I’m sure for the Orthodox Church too but I can’t say for certain with the Orthodox Church

Kathleen30 · 2025-12-17T01:13:55-0600

prodromos said:
You ignore that the Church Fathers profess a range of different interpretations of Genesis, from literal to allegorical. In some areas there is a clear consensus and in others there exists a wide range of views.

Also, it was Rome who seperated from the Orthodox. Cardinal Humbert's Bull of excommunication, which itself was a litany of false accusations, excommunicated Patriarch Michael and all who agreed with him, which turned out to be all 4 Eastern Patriarchates. In contrast, the council of bishops which responded to Cardinal Humbert's Bull of excommunication, only excommunicated Cardinal Humbert, Archbishop Peter of Amalfi and Cardinal Frederick of Lorraine. So Rome, by legitimising the Bull of excommunication, effectively cut themselves off from the Eastern patriarchates and went into schism.

Well certainly some of the church fathers professed a range interpretations from Literal to allegorical. The Orthodox Church has never really been a fan of literalism. As to the schism between eastern and western church. Ok I read what you say . But I’m sure the Catholic Church has got their version of the events with how the schism occurred . They normally do : )

Kathleen30 · 2025-12-17T01:16:21-0600

prodromos said:
That was more for @Apple Sky 's benefit.

Oh really. You send to me for Apples benifit. ??? Well I be sure to pass the message on

Kathleen30 · 2025-12-17T01:30:49-0600

prodromos said:
You argued that Islam accepted the geocentric model. Islam is false religion, so how does that help your argument?

Well it’s a fact of history. Doesn't change the reality that Islam is still a false religion only that they embraced Ptolemys system as well. I was merely showing you the vastness of the geocentric system and that it wasn’t just embraced by Christianity

Apple Sky · 2025-12-17T03:04:01-0600

David Lamb said:
OK but don't you count them all as fakes because they are NASA productions, and you think NASA always lies?

Yes but I still watched them.

Kathleen30 · 2025-12-17T04:52:12-0600

Jerry N. said:
Take Isaiah 43:1-7 which are the words from God. Compare that to 1 Chronicles 1. Then compare it to Song of Songs 1. Then you have 1 Corinthians 7:12 compared to Galatians 1:11. All of the Bible is true and God inspired the authors to record things. However, some texts are private poetry or written accounts or genealogies and lists of materials, but when author says something is from God, it is of the highest inspiration, like the Ten Commandments. This is why some publications of the New Testament put Jesus’s words in red. It has greater weight being from God directly.

Jerry you mention Isaiah 43:17, 1st Corinthians 7:12, Galatians 1:11 along with a few other passages, emphasising the importance of when God speaks. You then say all the Bible is true. However you then say some texts are private, poetry, written accounts or genealogies along with a list of materials. You than say but when the author says something is from God then it is the highest inspiration from God. I would agree with that many passages hold higher importance but would disagree that they have a higher inspiration than other scriptures. Simply because all Gods scripture is equally inspired . But when thinking upon Joshua 10:12-13 when Joshua directly asks God to give power to still the Sun and the moon. What category does that fall into ?

As the the publications of the New Testament with the words of Jesus in red having greater weight being from God directly. Ok. But others have argued why not the Old Testament as well. Yu know like the 10 commandments or where God speaks directly to Adam and Eve or Abraham or Moses.Just out of curiosity I guess some have debated the issue that the Bible should have remained the one colour. But it does no harm from what i can see. Yours Kathleen

Apple Sky · 2025-12-17T05:36:35-0600

Kathleen30 said:
I would agree with that many passages hold higher importance but would disagree that they have a higher inspiration than other scriptures. Simply because all Gods scripture is equally inspired . But when thinking upon Joshua 10:12-13 when Joshua directly asks God to give power to still the Sun and the moon. What category does that fall into ?

Yes Kathleen I too would also like to know what category this verse falls into, hmm.

Jerry N. · 2025-12-17T06:46:14-0600

Kathleen30 said:
Jerry you mention Isaiah 43:17, 1st Corinthians 7:12, Galatians 1:11 along with a few other passages, emphasising the importance of when God speaks. You then say all the Bible is true. However you then say some texts are private, poetry, written accounts or genealogies along with a list of materials. You than say but when the author says something is from God then it is the highest inspiration from God. I would agree with that many passages hold higher importance but would disagree that they have a higher inspiration than other scriptures. Simply because all Gods scripture is equally inspired . But when thinking upon Joshua 10:12-13 when Joshua directly asks God to give power to still the Sun and the moon. What category does that fall into ? View attachment 374608As the the publications of the New Testament with the words of Jesus in red having greater weight being from God directly. Ok. But others have argued why not the Old Testament as well. Yu know like the 10 commandments or where God speaks directly to Adam and Eve or Abraham or Moses.Just out of curiosity I guess some have debated the issue that the Bible should have remained the one colour. But it does no harm from what i can see. Yours Kathleen

There is a problem with defining “divine inspiration.” Sometimes, God inspires the writer to record something in the writer’s own words. Take for example, I Kings 1-5. The author is just writing down what happened, but I’m sure God used His influence to make sure the author wrote it down accurately and truthfully, or maybe God chose the right person who feared God to be the author. I don’t know if you would call that inspiration, but you can if you like. David was inspire to write beautiful psalms to praise God, but the talent to do so was David’s which was given to him by God; however, God probably didn’t give David the individual words. Nowhere in Joshua 10:12-13 does God speak or even tell Joshua what He was doing. The account is from Joshua’s point of view and limited to a human description, even if the writer was inspired to record the event. Divine inspiration does not mean that every word came from God, and that is evident because the writers of the books of the Bible always make it clear when the words came directly from God. If every word came from God, the writers would not make the distinction. I’ve never seen a “Red Letter Bible” that put God’s words in the Old Testament in red. Maybe one exists. My guess is that rabbis have been arguing this very problem verse by verse for many years. The only thing they agree on is that the Torah has a separate importance to the writings of the other books. The Torah even has its own holiday.

Apple Sky · 2025-12-17T07:42:19-0600

Jerry N. said:
Nowhere in Joshua 10:12-13 does God speak or even tell Joshua what He was doing.

Even so the sun stood still, there's no getting away from it, the sun & the moon stood still from circuiting the sky.

Jerry N. · 2025-12-17T07:47:02-0600

Apple Sky said:
Even so the sun stood still, there's no getting away from it, the sun & the moon stood still from circuiting the sky.

You haven’t learned from the last time this discussion took place. Unless you think God could make the sun and moon stand still with a flat earth and He couldn’t with a spherical earth, the account has no bearing on the shape of the earth.

Apple Sky · 2025-12-17T08:13:19-0600

Jerry N. said:
You haven’t learned from the last time this discussion took place. Unless you think God could make the sun and moon stand still with a flat earth and He couldn’t with a spherical earth, the account has no bearing on the shape of the earth.

It does if the earth is supposed to orbit the sun.

d taylor · 2025-12-17T08:14:23-0600

David Lamb said:
Thanks, but having looked at both links I find nothing in either of them that refers to "Guiding Head" or Zion Colony." Those were the titles given to the person responsible for the videos in Apple Sky's links.

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With a following of approximately 6,000, he sought land north of Chicago and secretly bought a large amount of real estate. In 1900, he announced the founding of Zion, 40 miles from Chicago: he personally owned all the property. He established a theocratic political and economic structure and prohibited smoking, drinking, eating pork, and the practice of any form of modern medicine. He also established a range of businesses, healing homes, and a large Tabernacle. Followers from across the world descended on Zion

Jerry N. · 2025-12-17T08:28:49-0600

Apple Sky said:
It does if the earth is supposed to orbit the sun.

God could still do it.

Apple Sky · 2025-12-17T08:40:20-0600

Jerry N. said:
God could still do it.

I know he could but he stopped the sun not the earth.

Jerry N. · 2025-12-17T08:45:47-0600

Apple Sky said:
I know he could but he stopped the sun not the earth.

You are still limiting God to what you can understand. He could have done it in a million different ways our little minds could never comprehend.

Apple Sky · 2025-12-17T10:15:36-0600

Jerry N. said:
You are still limiting God to what you can understand. He could have done it in a million different ways our little minds could never comprehend.

He could have but he didn't.

Apple Sky · 2025-12-17T10:51:24-0600

The late Rob Skiba read some FOIA documents from the Soviet Union that described research studying the brilliance of the firmament.

The dome of earth is lowest around Antarctica.

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it is extremely cold there with, we are told packed ice from two to three miles high. Antarctica is a ring of ice on the periphery of flat earth. The dome of earth, aka the firmament, springs from the Antarctic ice ring. It is here on Antarctica blue ice is found.

Joseph Nazzaro
Ph.D. from University of Wales (Graduated 1978)Jun 21

prodromos · 2025-12-17T13:19:35-0600

Apple Sky said:
The late Rob Skiba read some FOIA documents from the Soviet Union that described research studying the brilliance of the firmament.

Claims made, but strangely no evidence offered. Poor Rob, no one will let him rest in peace.

Apple Sky said:
The dome of earth is lowest around Antarctica.

On other occasions you've claimed that the 'dome' extends way beyond Antarctica, and that there are habitable lands beyond the 'ice wall'. At least you are consistent in not being consistent.

Apple Sky said:
it is extremely cold there with, we are told packed ice from two to three miles high. Antarctica is a ring of ice on the periphery of flat earth. The dome of earth, aka the firmament, springs from the Antarctic ice ring. It is here on Antarctica blue ice is found.

Blue-ice area - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Apple Sky said:
Joseph Nazzaro
Ph.D. from University of Wales (Graduated 1978)Jun 21

Apparently, having a Ph.D in Psychology doesn't translate into expertise in other fields.

prodromos · 2025-12-17T16:21:29-0600

Kathleen30 said:
For you to claim that the Orthodox Church never embraced Ptolemys system is Just Not True .

I asked you where I claimed the above and you responded with:

Kathleen30 said:
That’s what you’ve been accusing me of in your last few posts . I simply said all mainline denominations including the Orthodox Church. They all embraced Ptolemys system which was geocentric even the Muslims.. it was the only viable alternative around at the time

Not once have I claimed that the Orthodox Church NEVER embraced Ptolemy's system.

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