Ellen White on the mark of the beast for those that worship on Sunday

ViaCrucis said:

It's in the same place that says Gentiles have to observe the Sabbath and be circumcised.

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Isa 56 the Lord answers this regarding the Sabbath and Gentiles and Mat2:27

Isa 56:1 Thus says the Lord:

“Keep justice, and do righteousness,
For My salvation is about to come,
And My righteousness to be revealed.
2 Blessed is the man who does this,
And the son of man who lays hold on it;
Who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And keeps his hand from doing any evil.”

Doing justice and righteousness is the foundation of God's Throne. Psa89:14

This is a prophecy by God

Isa 56:6 “Also the sons of the foreigner (Gentiles)
Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants—
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant—
7 Even them I will bring to My holy mountain,
And make them joyful in My house of prayer.
Their burnt offerings and their sacrifices
Will be accepted on My altar;
For My house shall be called a house of prayer for all nations.”

Jesus quotes from this very passage Mark 11:17 Mat 21:13

And all of God's predictions come true, why both Jew and Gentiles were keeping every Sabbath in God's house of prayer. Acts 13:42 Acts 13:44 Acts 15:21 (part of the Jerusalem council for Gentiles) Acts18:4

Why the Sabbath continues in the New Heaven and New Earth, not any other day Isa66:22-23 for all flesh - God's saved Rev14:12


Gentiles do not need to be circumcised as the Scripture says, but all of God's people have to keep God's commandments (His version) Rev14:12- why Jesus said plainly "whoever" Mat5:19 Luke 6:46-48

Hentenza said:

The writings of Ellen White, a prophet of the Seventh Day Adventist church, teach that those who worship on Sunday will receive the mark of the beast and will reject the seal of God. In other words, the vast majority of Christians are doomed for worshipping our Lord on Sunday instead of Saturday.

Here are her writings:

Reception of Mark of the Beast Future—The change of the Sabbath is the sign or mark of the authority of the Romish church. Those who, understanding the claims of the fourth commandment, choose to observe the false sabbath in the place of the true, are thereby paying homage to that power by which alone it is commanded. The mark of the beast is the papal sabbath, which has been accepted by the world in the place of the day of God’s appointment. Ev 234.1
No one has yet received the mark of the beast. The testing time has not yet come. There are true Christians in every church, not excepting the Roman Catholic communion. None are condemned until they have had the light and have seen the obligation of the fourth commandment. But when the decree shall go forth enforcing the counterfeit sabbath, and the loud cry of the third angel shall warn men against the worship of the beast and his image, the line will be clearly drawn between the false and the true. Then those who still continue in transgression will receive the mark of the beast. Ev 234.2
With rapid steps we are approaching this period. When Protestant churches shall unite with the secular power to sustain a false religion, for opposing which their ancestors endured the fiercest persecution, then will the papal sabbath be enforced by the combined authority of church and state. There will be a national apostasy, which will end only in national ruin.—Manuscript 51, 1899. Ev 235.1
When Seal of God Is Refused—If the light of truth has been presented to you, revealing the Sabbath of the fourth commandment, and showing that there is no foundation in the Word of God for Sunday observance, and yet you still cling to the false sabbath, refusing to keep holy the Sabbath which God calls “My holy day,” you receive the mark of the beast. When does this take place? When you obey the decree that commands you to cease from labor on Sunday and worship God, while you know that there is not a word in the Bible showing Sunday to be other than a common working day, you consent to receive the mark of the beast, and refuse the seal of God.—The Review and Herald, July 13, 1897. Ev 235.2
As a Result of Disregard of Light—God has given men the Sabbath as a sign between Him and them, as a test of their loyalty. Those who, after the light regarding God’s law comes to them, continue to disobey and exalt human laws above the law of God in the great crisis before us will receive the mark of the beast.—Letter 98, 1900. Ev 235.3
Caution in Presenting the Sunday Question—[We are] not to provoke those who have accepted this spurious sabbath, an institution of the Papacy in the place of God’s holy Sabbath. Their not having the Bible arguments in their favor makes them all the more angry and determined to supply the place of arguments that are wanting in the Word of God by the power of their might. The force of persecution follows the steps of the dragon. Therefore great care should be exercised to give no provocation.—Letter 55, 1886. Ev 235.4
Let the Truth Do the Cutting—Satan’s efforts against the advocates of the truth will wax more bitter and determined to the very close of time. As in Christ’s day the chief priests and rulers stirred up the people against Him, so today the religious leaders will excite bitterness and prejudice against the truth for this time. The people will be led to acts of violence and opposition which they would never have thought of had they not been imbued with the animosity of professed Christians against the truth. Ev 236.1
And what course shall the advocates of truth pursue? They have the unchangeable, eternal Word of God, and they should reveal the fact that they have the truth as it is in Jesus. Their words must not be rugged and sharp. In their presentation of truth they must manifest the love and meekness and gentleness of Christ. Let the truth do the cutting; the Word of God is as a sharp, two-edged sword, and will cut its way to the heart. Those who know that they have the truth should not, by the use of harsh and severe expressions, give Satan one chance to misinterpret their spirit.—The Review and Herald, October 14, 1902. Ev 236.2
A Call to Enlighten the Masses—I have been shown that Satan is stealing a march upon us. The law of God, through the agency of Satan, is to be made void. In our land of boasted freedom, religious liberty will come to an end. The contest will be decided over the Sabbath question, which will agitate the whole world. Ev 236.3
Our time for work is limited, and God calls us as ministers and people to be minutemen. Teachers as wise as serpents and as harmless as doves must come to the help of the Lord, to the help of the Lord against the mighty. There are many who do not understand the prophecies relating to these days, and they must be enlightened.—Letter 1, 1875. Ev 237.1

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Is Ellen White correct? Are those that worship our Lord on Sunday doomed to receive the mark of the beast?

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No. And if she cared about truth enough to know history, she’d have known that the change to Sunday gathering and worship finds its roots at the beginnings of Christianity, followed by the churches in both the east and the “Romish” west.

fhansen said:

No. And if she cared about truth enough to know history, she’d have known that the change to Sunday gathering and worship finds its roots at the beginnings of Christianity, followed by the churches in both the east and the “Romish” west.

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Not a change from the Bible or God Psa89:34 Deut4:13. From outside, yes Acts20:29 Dan7:25 Isa8:20

Hentenza said:

The writings of Ellen White, a prophet of the Seventh Day Adventist church, teach that those who worship on Sunday will receive the mark of the beast and will reject the seal of God. In other words, the vast majority of Christians are doomed for worshipping our Lord on Sunday instead of Saturday.

Here are her writings:

Reception of Mark of the Beast Future—The change of the Sabbath is the sign or mark of the authority of the Romish church. Those who, understanding the claims of the fourth commandment, choose to observe the false sabbath in the place of the true, are thereby paying homage to that power by which alone it is commanded. The mark of the beast is the papal sabbath, which has been accepted by the world in the place of the day of God’s appointment. Ev 234.1
No one has yet received the mark of the beast. The testing time has not yet come. There are true Christians in every church, not excepting the Roman Catholic communion. None are condemned until they have had the light and have seen the obligation of the fourth commandment. But when the decree shall go forth enforcing the counterfeit sabbath, and the loud cry of the third angel shall warn men against the worship of the beast and his image, the line will be clearly drawn between the false and the true. Then those who still continue in transgression will receive the mark of the beast. Ev 234.2
With rapid steps we are approaching this period. When Protestant churches shall unite with the secular power to sustain a false religion, for opposing which their ancestors endured the fiercest persecution, then will the papal sabbath be enforced by the combined authority of church and state. There will be a national apostasy, which will end only in national ruin.—Manuscript 51, 1899. Ev 235.1
When Seal of God Is Refused—If the light of truth has been presented to you, revealing the Sabbath of the fourth commandment, and showing that there is no foundation in the Word of God for Sunday observance, and yet you still cling to the false sabbath, refusing to keep holy the Sabbath which God calls “My holy day,” you receive the mark of the beast. When does this take place? When you obey the decree that commands you to cease from labor on Sunday and worship God, while you know that there is not a word in the Bible showing Sunday to be other than a common working day, you consent to receive the mark of the beast, and refuse the seal of God.—The Review and Herald, July 13, 1897. Ev 235.2
As a Result of Disregard of Light—God has given men the Sabbath as a sign between Him and them, as a test of their loyalty. Those who, after the light regarding God’s law comes to them, continue to disobey and exalt human laws above the law of God in the great crisis before us will receive the mark of the beast.—Letter 98, 1900. Ev 235.3
Caution in Presenting the Sunday Question—[We are] not to provoke those who have accepted this spurious sabbath, an institution of the Papacy in the place of God’s holy Sabbath. Their not having the Bible arguments in their favor makes them all the more angry and determined to supply the place of arguments that are wanting in the Word of God by the power of their might. The force of persecution follows the steps of the dragon. Therefore great care should be exercised to give no provocation.—Letter 55, 1886. Ev 235.4
Let the Truth Do the Cutting—Satan’s efforts against the advocates of the truth will wax more bitter and determined to the very close of time. As in Christ’s day the chief priests and rulers stirred up the people against Him, so today the religious leaders will excite bitterness and prejudice against the truth for this time. The people will be led to acts of violence and opposition which they would never have thought of had they not been imbued with the animosity of professed Christians against the truth. Ev 236.1
And what course shall the advocates of truth pursue? They have the unchangeable, eternal Word of God, and they should reveal the fact that they have the truth as it is in Jesus. Their words must not be rugged and sharp. In their presentation of truth they must manifest the love and meekness and gentleness of Christ. Let the truth do the cutting; the Word of God is as a sharp, two-edged sword, and will cut its way to the heart. Those who know that they have the truth should not, by the use of harsh and severe expressions, give Satan one chance to misinterpret their spirit.—The Review and Herald, October 14, 1902. Ev 236.2
A Call to Enlighten the Masses—I have been shown that Satan is stealing a march upon us. The law of God, through the agency of Satan, is to be made void. In our land of boasted freedom, religious liberty will come to an end. The contest will be decided over the Sabbath question, which will agitate the whole world. Ev 236.3
Our time for work is limited, and God calls us as ministers and people to be minutemen. Teachers as wise as serpents and as harmless as doves must come to the help of the Lord, to the help of the Lord against the mighty. There are many who do not understand the prophecies relating to these days, and they must be enlightened.—Letter 1, 1875. Ev 237.1

Evangelism

Presenting God’s last warning message to a doomed world is the “highest, greatest work” ever given to human beings. This comprehensive handbook on ev…

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Is Ellen White correct? Are those that worship our Lord on Sunday doomed to receive the mark of the beast?

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As I read through this thread, I was struck by how much of the discussion centers on moralism—either as a means to salvation or as something that somehow affects salvation. One side argues that obedience to the Ten Commandments is not required for salvation; the other insists that it is. One side says the Sabbath is uniquely Jewish; the other says it was made for humanity and predates the Jews. Yet, in different ways, both sides seem focused on moral observance.

Before anyone takes offense, I want to acknowledge that many here clearly understand where salvation comes from and how it is received. My intent is not to dismiss sincere faith, but to gently question the framework through which we are approaching the issue.

Some time ago, I became curious about Ellen G. White after meeting an ardent Seventh-day Adventist gentleman who quoted her extensively. Wanting to understand her for myself, I read through much of her body of work—a series of volumes that begin with creation and extend to the second coming of Christ. Setting aside the question of her prophetic authority, it is clear that her understanding of salvation was not static. Over time, her emphasis shifted from a more New England–style moralism toward a clearer, grace-centered understanding of salvation.

Historically, the Seventh-day Adventist Church emerged from William Miller’s eschatology, rooted in a misreading of the prophecies of Daniel and Revelation (cf. Matthew 24:36). Miller predicted Christ’s return in 1844, which sparked an urgent “get ready” movement. Understandably, this urgency led many to focus intensely on moral behavior. Yet such an approach placed an impossible burden on fallen humanity (Romans 3:10–12).

Around this time, Rachel Oakes Preston, a Seventh Day Baptist, introduced Sabbath observance to a group of Adventists who were already emphasizing the importance of the Ten Commandments. To their credit, and in pursuit of consistency, the congregation adopted Sabbath observance. This practice spread to other congregations, and in 1863 the Seventh-day Adventist Church was formally organized.

Given these origins, it is not difficult to see how a moralistic approach to salvation took root. Even after Christ did not return in 1844, the sense that His coming was imminent remained strong, continuing to foster moral urgency. In 1888, however, the message of righteousness by faith came with force, dividing the church theologically. By 1889, Ellen White’s emphasis had clearly shifted toward salvation by grace through faith, most notably expressed in Steps to Christ. The book was so strongly grace-centered that some even claimed it could not have been written by her.

All of this brings us to the question at hand. First, Scripture must be our final authority, interpreted through the illumination of the Holy Spirit (2 Timothy 3:16–17; John 16:13). Second, moral behavior does not save anyone—whether that behavior consists of observing the Ten Commandments or simply striving to be a decent person. Even our best works, apart from Christ, amount to nothing of saving value (Isaiah 64:6; Ephesians 2:8–9). Self-defined law-keeping is vanity. Christ alone is righteous, and if we are to be righteous, it must be His righteousness given to us as a gift (2 Corinthians 5:21; Philippians 3:9).

And God does more than simply declare us righteous. He adopts us as His children and makes us co-heirs with Christ (Romans 8:15–17). If this astonishing gift does not awaken in us a desire to be like Him, then we have not truly grasped what has been given. Any moral behavior that has real spiritual value flows from a heart cleansed by Christ (Ezekiel 36:26; Matthew 7:17). Obedience is the fruit of salvation, not the means to it (John 15:5; Galatians 2:16).

For this reason, it is sobering to remember that there will be many who confidently point to their religious observances—Sabbath-keeping included—and yet hear the words of Christ: “Depart from Me; I never knew you” (Matthew 7:23).

In the end, it is not merely what we do, but why we do it (1 Corinthians 10:31). None of us is qualified to take Christ’s place on the judgment seat (Romans 14:4, 10–12). Our proper posture is humility before Him. The Sabbath should not be the central issue; knowing Christ should be (John 17:3).

Mercy Shown said:

In the end, it is not merely what we do, but why we do it (1 Corinthians 10:31). None of us is qualified to take Christ’s place on the judgment seat (Romans 14:4, 10–12). Our proper posture is humility before Him. The Sabbath should not be the central issue; knowing Christ should be (John 17:3).

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Yet we are told the test about knowing Him

The Test of Knowing Him​

1 John2:3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God [a]is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. 6 He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.

I think people are taking a lot of prerogatives that only belong to God to decided if we should keep or not keep His commandments or edit the Words that were written by God as if we know better than He. There is a reason God placed the 4th commandment in with the other 9 commandments as well as placing His seal in the 4th commandment Exo20:11 and maybe it doesn't make sense to the majority, but that doesn't change it is the Testimony of God Exo31:18 His written and spoken will. Adam and Even didn’t think it mattered to eat from one tree, it’s just a tree, but it got them kicked out of the garden. People take this same approach to the Holy day of the Lord Isa58::13 , it caused almost a whole nation not to enter their promise land Eze20:15-16 we are told not to follow in that same path of disobedience Heb4:11. God says He does not change and we have to get through this James2:11-12 Ecc12:13-14 2Cor5:10 before we can enter into our Promise Land Rev22:14

I think a lot of people take the approach what is the least I need to do to get into heaven, so I can live how I want and receive His blessings. God only blessed and sanctified one day Exo20:11 Gen2:3 and blesses and sanctifies us when we obey Him Isa56:2 Eze20:12, no Scripture say that the blessings that belong to the day God gave it to is transferred over to a day that we find more convenient for us because its what the majority are doing, no one was ever the majority who were following God in Scripture, it was always a remnant and still is Rev12:17KJV , He said it won’t be in the majority in last days either Mat7:13-14 , sadly one is missing the the bigger picture regarding this commandment, God just wants to spend time with us and what day better to do so that comes with His power of blessings and sanctification that only God can give Isa59:2 Eze20:12, and its more about the power behind who is asking to keep it and who is saying the opposite of God. God said Remember Exo20:8-11 another voice told us to forget. Which voice will we listen to. Whoever we obey is who we serve or worship Rom6:16 Mark-:3-14 Mark7:7-13

Regarding Ellen White and Steps to Christ she very much speaks about the Law, I had ChatGpt summarize it using only Steps to Christ

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1. The Law Reveals Sin and Our Need of Christ​

Chapter: “Repentance”

White explains that people do not truly see their sin until they understand God’s Law:

“It is the law of God that convicts the sinner. ‘I had not known sin, but by the law.’”
(Steps to Christ, ch. 3)

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She echoes Romans 3:20; 7:7, showing that the Law functions as a mirror, not a savior.

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2. The Law Is Perfect and Unchangeable​

Chapter: “Faith and Acceptance”

White is explicit that faith in Christ does not cancel obedience:

“The law of God is the foundation of His government in heaven and on earth.”

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She rejects the idea that grace abolishes the Law, aligning with Matthew 5:17 and Romans 3:31.

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3. Obedience Is the Fruit of Salvation, Not the Cause​

Chapter: “The Test of Discipleship”

This is one of the clearest discussions of God’s Law:

“If we abide in Christ, if the love of God dwells in us, our feelings, our thoughts, our actions, will be in harmony with the will of God as expressed in the precepts of His holy law.”

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She directly connects love, faith, and obedience, reflecting John 14:15 and 1 John 2:3–4.

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4. The Law Cannot Save—but It Still Binds​

Chapter: “Growing Up Into Christ”

White explains sanctification in relation to the Law:

“The law reveals to man his sins, but it provides no remedy.”

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Christ alone provides forgiveness and power to obey—consistent with Galatians 3:24.

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5. Christ’s Life Is the Living Expression of the Law​

Throughout the book, White presents Christ as the embodiment of the Law:

“The life of Christ was a life of obedience.”

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This reflects Psalm 40:8 and Hebrews 10:7.

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Summary (Very Important)​

In Steps to Christ, Ellen G. White teaches that:

• ✔ God’s Law is holy, just, and good
• ✔ The Law reveals sin
• ✔ The Law cannot save
• ✔ Salvation is by grace through faith
• ✔ Obedience is the evidence of genuine conversion
• ✘ Grace does not abolish the Law

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They have no rest - day nor night - who worship the beast and his image. So they’re definitely not taking a rest on Sunday.

There is no rest in Christ when we disobey Him. Those who enter into Christ rest ALSO cease from their works as God did Heb4:10 on the seventh day Heb4:4 Exo20:11 because the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God Exo20:10 it is the holy day of the Lord, thus saith the Lord Isa58:13 and the Sabbath rest is according to the commandment Luke23:56

Rev 22: 11 And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.”

Why if you read the next verse its the antidote to this situation. In contrast to God’s saints and what they do:

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

Not the faith in Jesus but of Jesus which is how He lived and what He taught and they keep God’s commandments Exo20:6 Exo31:18- His version, not what man edited He told us not to.

Ecc 3:14 I know that whatever God does, It shall be forever. Nothing can be added to it, And nothing taken from it. God does it, that men should fear before Him.

Ecc 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter:
Fear God and keep His commandments,
For this is man’s all.
14 For God will bring every work into judgment,
Including every secret thing,
Whether good or evil.

Rev 14: 7 saying with a loud voice, “Fear God and give glory to Him, for the hour of His judgment has come; and worship Him who made heaven and earth, the sea and springs of water.” Quoting Exo20:11 where God placed His seal


Isa 48:18 Oh, that you had heeded My commandments!
Then your peace would have been like a river,
And your righteousness like the waves of the sea.

Only one group of people enter into His Kingdom


Rev 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

Once God blesses something man cannot take away Num23:20, because man is not God. They can disqualify themselves, but they cannot take away His blessings

Isa 56:2 Blessed is the man who does this,
And the son of man who lays hold on it;
Who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And keeps his hand from doing any evil.”

Hentenza said:

The Christian keeps Jesus two live commandments, not the commandments of the Mosaic law, and the Christian rest is in Christ not on a day. In addition keeping the commandments is a result of salvation not for salvation as your group preaches. Legalism is not scriptural.

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Well, that day, is Today

16So, because Jesus was doing these things on the Sabbath, the Jewish leaders began to persecute him. 17In his defense Jesus said to them, “My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I too am working.” 18For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.

19Jesus gave them this answer: “Very truly I tell you, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does. 20For the Father loves the Son and shows him all he does. Yes, and he will show him even greater works than these, so that you will be amazed. 21For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son gives life to whom he is pleased to give it. 22Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son, 23that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him.

24“Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life. 25Very truly I tell you, a time is coming and has now come when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God and those who hear will live. 26For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself. 27And he has given him authority to judge because he is the Son of Man.

28“Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice 29and come out—those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned. 30By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me.

SabbathBlessings said:

Yet we are told the test about knowing Him

The Test of Knowing Him​

1 John2:3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God [a]is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. 6 He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.

I think people are taking a lot of prerogatives that only belong to God to decided if we should keep or not keep His commandments or edit the Words that were written by God as if we know better than He. There is a reason God placed the 4th commandment in with the other 9 commandments as well as placing His seal in the 4th commandment Exo20:11 and maybe it doesn't make sense to the majority, but that doesn't change it is the Testimony of God Exo31:18 His written and spoken will. Adam and Even didn’t think it mattered to eat from one tree, it’s just a tree, but it got them kicked out of the garden. People take this same approach to the Holy day of the Lord Isa58::13 , it caused almost a whole nation not to enter their promise land Eze20:15-16 we are told not to follow in that same path of disobedience Heb4:11. God says He does not change and we have to get through this James2:11-12 Ecc12:13-14 2Cor5:10 before we can enter into our Promise Land Rev22:14

I think a lot of people take the approach what is the least I need to do to get into heaven, so I can live how I want and receive His blessings. God only blessed and sanctified one day Exo20:11 Gen2:3 and blesses and sanctifies us when we obey Him Isa56:2 Eze20:12, no Scripture say that the blessings that belong to the day God gave it to is transferred over to a day that we find more convenient for us because its what the majority are doing, no one was ever the majority who were following God in Scripture, it was always a remnant and still is Rev12:17KJV , He said it won’t be in the majority in last days either Mat7:13-14 , sadly one is missing the the bigger picture regarding this commandment, God just wants to spend time with us and what day better to do so that comes with His power of blessings and sanctification that only God can give Isa59:2 Eze20:12, and its more about the power behind who is asking to keep it and who is saying the opposite of God. God said Remember Exo20:8-11 another voice told us to forget. Which voice will we listen to. Whoever we obey is who we serve or worship Rom6:16 Mark-:3-14 Mark7:7-13

Regarding Ellen White and Steps to Christ she very much speaks about the Law, I had ChatGpt summarize it using only Steps to Christ

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1. The Law Reveals Sin and Our Need of Christ​

Chapter: “Repentance”

White explains that people do not truly see their sin until they understand God’s Law:


She echoes Romans 3:20; 7:7, showing that the Law functions as a mirror, not a savior.

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2. The Law Is Perfect and Unchangeable​

Chapter: “Faith and Acceptance”

White is explicit that faith in Christ does not cancel obedience:


She rejects the idea that grace abolishes the Law, aligning with Matthew 5:17 and Romans 3:31.

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3. Obedience Is the Fruit of Salvation, Not the Cause​

Chapter: “The Test of Discipleship”

This is one of the clearest discussions of God’s Law:


She directly connects love, faith, and obedience, reflecting John 14:15 and 1 John 2:3–4.

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4. The Law Cannot Save—but It Still Binds​

Chapter: “Growing Up Into Christ”

White explains sanctification in relation to the Law:


Christ alone provides forgiveness and power to obey—consistent with Galatians 3:24.

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5. Christ’s Life Is the Living Expression of the Law​

Throughout the book, White presents Christ as the embodiment of the Law:


This reflects Psalm 40:8 and Hebrews 10:7.

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Summary (Very Important)​

In Steps to Christ, Ellen G. White teaches that:

• ✔ God’s Law is holy, just, and good
• ✔ The Law reveals sin
• ✔ The Law cannot save
• ✔ Salvation is by grace through faith
• ✔ Obedience is the evidence of genuine conversion
• ✘ Grace does not abolish the Law

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Are you depending on your “obedience” to save you? If so, do believe you have obeyed enough to merit God’s salvation?

The AI summery of Steps To Christ is not a substitute for reading it. If you are not saved by your obedience to the law how can you be lost by your disobedience?

I think you under the misconception that righteousness by faith does away with the law. That is not the case. It establishes the law.

Mercy Shown said:

Are you depending on your “obedience” to save you? If so, do believe you have obeyed enough to merit God’s salvation?

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You will not find in any of my posts that I am depending on my obedience to save me. All the law does is reveal sin, shows us our true condition and so we don’t cover our sins where no one receives mercy Pro28:13 but seek Jesus and His help to overcome. No one can obey God without the help of the Holy Spirit John14:15-18 but we have to cooperate with Him and He will not force us to obey, it has to come from the heart. I am not sure why this is even a debate, if we all loved Him, we would be keeping His commandments and there would be no more sin, but sadly that is not the case.

That said, the opposite is true as well, that no one is saved in their sins Heb10:26–30 John3:19-21 1John2:4 Rev22:15. If we are still holding on to sin and hardening our heart to the call of the Holy Spirit trying to call us out of unbelief rebellion and sin Heb3:7-19 where we are not subject to the law of God - Rom8:7-8 its not a good position to be in once He returns. Mat7:23 Rev22:15 1John2:4

Mercy Shown said:

The AI summery of Steps To Christ is not a substitute for reading it.

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Of course, but I knew what you were saying was incorrect, so due to time, I had Chat summarize it.

Mercy Shown said:

I think you under the misconception that righteousness by faith does away with the law.

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Not anything said by me or even remotely insinuated, my posts speak of keeping God’s laws as a consequence of faith. Rev 14:12 Rom3:31

Mercy Shown said:

That is not the case. It establishes the law.

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Of course, the notion we can disobey God and thats an example of faith is not found in our Bibles. So no one should be teaching we do not have to keep God’s commandments- and let Him be the one to sort out who is doing it for the right reason because He only taught if you love Me, keep My commandments, never once taught if you love Me, don’t obey Me.

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Of course, but I knew what you were saying was incorrect, so due to time, I had Chat summarize it.

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In Steps to Christ, Ellen G. White presents salvation as a loving gift from God, not something we earn by our own efforts. Salvation begins with God’s love. Long before we seek Him, God reaches out to us through Jesus Christ, offering forgiveness, healing, and new life.

The book emphasizes that we are saved by grace through faith. No amount of good works, obedience, or moral effort can save us. Instead, salvation comes from trusting fully in Christ’s righteousness rather than our own. When we accept Jesus by faith, our sins are forgiven, and we are justified before God.

Repentance and confession play an important role in this experience. True repentance is not something we create ourselves; it is a gift from God that leads us to turn away from sin and toward Christ. When we confess our sins, God promises forgiveness and peace.

Steps to Christ also teaches that salvation is both immediate and ongoing. Justification happens the moment we believe, but sanctification is a lifelong journey. As we continue to surrender daily to Christ, He transforms our hearts and characters. This growth comes through prayer, studying God’s Word, and constant dependence on Jesus.

Obedience, according to the book, is the natural result of salvation—not the cause of it. When we love Christ because He first loved us, obedience flows from that love. It becomes evidence of a changed heart rather than an attempt to earn God’s favor.

Ultimately, Steps to Christ assures believers that confidence in salvation comes from trusting God’s promises, not from feelings or personal performance. Salvation is found in a daily relationship with Jesus Christ, who alone has the power to save and sustain us.

Thi si a much different stance than she took in her earlier works.

SabbathBlessings said:

Not anything said by me or even remotely insinuated, my posts speak of keeping God’s laws as a consequence of faith. Rev 14:12 Rom3:31

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That is what your posts reflect when speaking to others who say we are saved by grace but are not keeping the commandments the way you feel they should. Unless I misuderstand you. Are you willing to agree that Christian brothers and sisters who worship on Sunday can be saved by grace if they accept the gift of perfection from Christ?

SabbathBlessings said:

my posts speak of keeping God’s laws as a consequence of faith. Rev 14:12 Rom3:31

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Do you believe that your faith is more genuine than a person who worships on sunday?

SabbathBlessings said:

Of course, the notion we can disobey God and thats an example of faith is not found in our Bibles. So no one should be teaching we do not have to keep God’s commandments- and let Him be the one to sort out who is doing it for the right reason because He only taught if you love Me, keep My commandments, never once taught if you love Me, don’t obey Me.

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When Jesus says, “If you love me, you will keep my commandments” (John 14:15), He is not reducing love to rule-keeping, nor is He singling out one commandment in isolation. In that same conversation He goes on to say, “This is my commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you” (John 15:12). Love, expressed in a life shaped by Him, is the center.

The New Testament consistently teaches that love for Jesus is first a matter of trust and allegiance, not perfect observance. “We love because he first loved us” (1 John 4:19). Our obedience flows out of grace; it does not create it (Ephesians 2:8–10).

Regarding the Sabbath specifically, the early church wrestled with this question. Paul writes, “One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind” (Romans 14:5). He also warns against judging one another “with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath” (Colossians 2:16–17), saying these were a shadow pointing to Christ.

Jesus Himself reframed the Sabbath: “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath” and “the Son of Man is lord even of the Sabbath” (Mark 2:27–28). He consistently showed that mercy, restoration, and life are at the heart of God’s commands (Matthew 12:7).

So, do Christians who do not keep Saturday holy love Jesus? According to the New Testament, yes—if they are trusting in Him, receiving His grace, and seeking to follow Him in faith and love. Love for Jesus is not proven by flawless law-keeping, but by abiding in Him (John 15:4–5), walking by the Spirit (Galatians 5:22–23), and growing in obedience over time.

At the same time, Scripture allows room for conviction. If someone honors Saturday unto the Lord, that can be an act of love and faith. If another honors Christ without observing that day, that too can be an act of love. The warning is not to turn either practice into a measure of salvation or a test of genuine love (Romans 14:10–12).

We love Jesus not because we perfectly keep every command, but because He has loved us first—and that love, over a lifetime, teaches us how to obey.

Mercy Shown said:

That is what your posts reflect when speaking to others who say we are saved by grace but are not keeping the commandments the way you feel they should. Unless I misuderstand you. Are you willing to agree that Christian brothers and sisters who worship on Sunday can be saved by grace if they accept the gift of perfection from Christ?

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Worship on any day is not the issue, the issue is when we disobey God. God placed the 4th commandment in the same unit as He did the other 9 commandments, the same unit where He said to only worship Him, the 4th comamndment is the one commandment that tells us which God we are to worship Exo20:11 and that never changes for God's people Rev14:7. Is there any Scripture that says we can disobey any of the 9 commandments without repenting and turning from and be saved. Man separating this one commandment when God did not- He said Remember, and treats it as if it doesn't need to be kept, like the other 9 is a man-made teaching, not a teaching from God.

Jesus addressed this very principle in His own words quoting from the same unit of Ten.

Jesus used interchangeably the commandments of God with the Word of God

Mat 15:3 And He answered and said to them, “Why do you yourselves also break the commandment of God for the sake of your tradition? 4 For God said, ‘Honor your father and mother,’ From the Ten Commandments
Mat 15:6 he is not to honor his father or mother.’ And by this you have invalidated the word of God for the sake of your tradition.


Mat 7:13 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’

8 For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men

Which commandment?
‘Honor your father and your mother’ (from the Ten Exo20:12 Deut4:13)

13 making the word of God of no effect through your tradition which you have handed down. And many such things you do.”

Exo 20:1 And God spoke all these words, saying…”

These “words” are the Ten Commandments.

The commandments of God Jesus used interchangeably with the Word of God. Wow, can you imagine making the word of God of no effect though traditions of man. That's pretty serious in my mind. Jesus said it was
"in vain they worship Me, Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men". The apostles spoke of this as well Col2:8

“These words the LORD spoke… and He added no more.
And He wrote them on two tablets of stone." Deut5:22

The Ten Commandments are explicitly called “the words” God spoke, and nothing else was added.


The Hebrew phrase is עֲשֶׂרֶת הַדְּבָרִים — Aseret haDvarim
Meaning: The Ten Words.

The Ten Commandments is the Ten Words of God.

Can the Testimony of God be edited by anyone?

Mat 25:35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away.

Why again used interchangeably with the Ten Commandments, the Law of God.

Mat5:18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.
Luke 16:17 It is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than for one tittle of the law to fail.

Because...

Psa 119:89 Forever, O LORD, Your word is settled in heaven. Right where His ark and Testimony is Rev 11:19 Rev15:5 and includes the 4th commandment unedited as we see it continuing for eternity Isa66:22-23


Why again His word is used interchangeable with His Law in Judgement

John 12:48 He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him—the word that I have spoken (His Testimony Exo31:18) will judge him in the last day.

James 2:11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty (Ten Commandments- the He who said in Exo20:1-17- Gods Testimony Exo31:18)


Once God tells us what things mean, they stay the same throughout the Bible, because there is no one above God. The entire Bible is about the testimony of God John5:39 through His prophets and disciples. Who has the greatest testimony of all- God's Exo31:18 why it sits under His mercy seat unedited because He is God and we are called to join ourselves to Him and be His servant Isa56:6

The Ten Commandments cannot be edited- God promised He would not alter His words Psa89:34 Deut4:13 not a jot or tittle Mat5:18-19 because no church, no person is above God. Sadly His Law was edited just as predicted that most follow Dan7:25 but we are living in the last days and God is calling us back Rev18:4 to worship our Creator Rev14:7 Exo20:11 and worship Jesus relates to obedience. Staying faithful/obedient to God through love and faith is how we remain in Him John15:10 Rev14:12 and reconcile Rev22:14

Mercy Shown said:

In Steps to Christ, Ellen G. White presents salvation as a loving gift from God, not something we earn by our own efforts. Salvation begins with God’s love. Long before we seek Him, God reaches out to us through Jesus Christ, offering forgiveness, healing, and new life.

The book emphasizes that we are saved by grace through faith. No amount of good works, obedience, or moral effort can save us. Instead, salvation comes from trusting fully in Christ’s righteousness rather than our own. When we accept Jesus by faith, our sins are forgiven, and we are justified before God.

Repentance and confession play an important role in this experience. True repentance is not something we create ourselves; it is a gift from God that leads us to turn away from sin and toward Christ. When we confess our sins, God promises forgiveness and peace.

Steps to Christ also teaches that salvation is both immediate and ongoing. Justification happens the moment we believe, but sanctification is a lifelong journey. As we continue to surrender daily to Christ, He transforms our hearts and characters. This growth comes through prayer, studying God’s Word, and constant dependence on Jesus.

Obedience, according to the book, is the natural result of salvation—not the cause of it. When we love Christ because He first loved us, obedience flows from that love. It becomes evidence of a changed heart rather than an attempt to earn God’s favor.

Ultimately, Steps to Christ assures believers that confidence in salvation comes from trusting God’s promises, not from feelings or personal performance. Salvation is found in a daily relationship with Jesus Christ, who alone has the power to save and sustain us.

Thi si a much different stance than she took in her earlier works.

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EGW never taught she could save herself, her writings were consistent which reflects the summary of Steps to Christ I provided about the role of God's Law. Anyone can make an accusation, does not make it true.

Mercy Shown said:

When Jesus says, “If you love me, you will keep my commandments” (John 14:15), He is not reducing love to rule-keeping, nor is He singling out one commandment in isolation. In that same conversation He goes on to say, “This is my commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you” (John 15:12). Love, expressed in a life shaped by Him, is the center.

The New Testament consistently teaches that love for Jesus is first a matter of trust and allegiance, not perfect observance. “We love because he first loved us” (1 John 4:19). Our obedience flows out of grace; it does not create it (Ephesians 2:8–10).

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Jesus and this is what Jesus said if we love Him- keep His commandments and not to

Mat5:19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; (not there Mat5:20) but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

And then goes on to relate what the is the central issue, mans heart. Why He wrote His Laws in our hearts, 2Cor3:3 Heb8:10, if we do not rebel Rom8:7-8 If the heart is changed, the thoughts of anger and contempt towards our brother would change towards compassion and love and the commandment to not murder our brother in the Ten Commandments would automatically be kept, just like the rest of the 9 commandments, not to break or teach others to break the least of these as they are how God relates how to love and worship Him by the first 4 commandments, why His name is in each one of these commandments and how we love our neighbor. Rom13:9

Mercy Shown said:

Regarding the Sabbath specifically, the early church wrestled with this question. Paul writes, “One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind” (Romans 14:5). He also warns against judging one another “with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath” (Colossians 2:16–17), saying these were a shadow pointing to Christ.

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This is what we are told about Paul's writings

2 Peter3:15 and consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation—as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you, 16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.

So we can't take Paul's writings from a surface level and twist what Paul said to make him counter the written Testimony and word of God Exo31:18 when God promised not to change His words Psa89:34 Deut4:13, not a jot or tittle Mat5:18 and where Jesus in His own words said the Sabbath would not end at the Cross Mat24:20 or ever Isa66:22-23 we need be more careful otherwise, we might end up in the group this warning is about.

Romans 14 never uses the word Sabbath in the entire chapter and do you believe the Testimony of God written by the Holy Spirit of Truth, His Word is a doubtful disputation? Its says plainly what day man esteems over another, not what day GOD does and said plainly, the seventh is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God Exo20:10, the holy day of the Lord Isa58:13. Today some men esteem Christmas as a holy day, some men do not, the same with Easter, this is the type of thing they are debating, not if one should keep or not keep one of God's commandments. Why we are plainly told not to add our word to His. Pro30:6 which fits the warning about misinterpreting Paul.

Re:Col2:16 there is more than one Sabbath in the Scripture, one came before sin Exo20:11, was part of God's perfect plan before the fall and is part of God's written and spoken Testimony Exo31:18, the other sabbath(s) came after sin and is about food offerings, drink offerings, some were holy days (annual feast days) and some were also annual sabbath(s) the context of this passage and what Jesus promised to put an end to Dan9:27as they are shadows pointing to His great Sacrifice Heb10:1-15 I can provide a very detailed study on this bringing in more context that was left out if you want. Its my own prayerful study and its clearly not speaking of the Testimony of God and countermanding what Jesus said about His Sabbath that Paul himself kept every Sabbath decades after the cross.

Mercy Shown said:

Jesus Himself reframed the Sabbath: “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath” and “the Son of Man is lord even of the Sabbath” (Mark 2:27–28).

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He did not "reframe" the Sabbath...He spoke of His authority of the Sabbath and whom He made it for.

And He said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath. 28 Therefore the Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath.”

He is speaking of when man was made.

Exo 20:11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

He is showing authority as our Creator.

Man was made on the sixth day in the image of God. Gen1:26 the Sabbath was made on the seventh day Gen2:1-13 Exo20:11 made for man and the Greek word Jesus used in mankind the Hebrew word Adam

ἄνθρωπος (ánthrōpos)


τὸ σάββατον διὰ τὸν ἄνθρωπον ἐγένετο
“The Sabbath was made for man …”


Meaning:

• Refers to human beings in general
• Gender-inclusive: humanity, humankind
• Emphasizes mankind as a class, not an individual male

Hebrew: אָדָם ’ādām​

1. Adam (the individual)
   • Proper name in Genesis 2–5
   • “And the LORD God formed Adam…” (Gen 2:7)
2. Man / human being
   • A representative human
   • “What is man (אָדָם) that you are mindful of him?” (Ps 8:4)
3. Mankind / humanity
   • Collective sense
   • “God created man (אָדָם) in his own image” (Gen 1:27)

Mercy Shown said:

He consistently showed that mercy, restoration, and life are at the heart of God’s commands (Matthew 12:7).

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Jesus said they were guiltless of the accusation from the Pharisees. Not that we can break the Sabbath commandment- you are taking liberties that only God has. And showing mercy is not the same as breaking them continually, you are adding what is not there to the Scriptures. The example of the adulterous women Jesus showed grace to her but what did He say after-go and Sin no more! and continuing in this path we are told what one has to look forward to Pro28:13 Heb10:26-30. Jesus never came the first time to condemn. He came as our Sacrificial Lamb. The Second time Jesus comes He comes as King and will judge His people. John12:48

Mercy Shown said:

So, do Christians who do not keep Saturday holy love Jesus? According to the New Testament, yes—if they are trusting in Him, receiving His grace, and seeking to follow Him in faith and love. Love for Jesus is not proven by flawless law-keeping, but by abiding in Him (John 15:4–5), walking by the Spirit (Galatians 5:22–23), and growing in obedience over time.

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None of these passages answer the question you asked, that we can be disobedient to one of God's commandments and be saved. You again are taking liberties only God has.

God did tell us this plainly..... why almost an entire nation did not enter into their Promise Land of rest.

Eze20:15 So I also raised My hand in an oath to them in the wilderness, that I would not bring them into the land which I had given them, ‘flowing with milk and honey,’ the glory of all lands, 16 because they despised My judgments and did not walk in My statutes, but profaned My Sabbaths; for their heart went after their idols.

Does God really love us more than those who came before us? And from the mouth of God, not keeping the Sabbath shows there is a bigger issue- the heart. Replacing what God said our Father, with words of another why He related it to going after idols- breaking one comamndment we break them all even in the NT James2:11

Why we are told not to follow their same path of disobedience Heb4:11

Mercy Shown said:

At the same time, Scripture allows room for conviction. If someone honors Saturday unto the Lord, that can be an act of love and faith. If another honors Christ without observing that day, that too can be an act of love. The warning is not to turn either practice into a measure of salvation or a test of genuine love (Romans 14:10–12).

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Your words, not what the Scriptures teach. There is no Scripture that contrasts one of God's commandments as if its of no effect. Jesus already addressed this plainly, in doing so makes the word of God that comes with life and promises of no effect.

Mercy Shown said:

We love Jesus not because we perfectly keep every command, but because He has loved us first—and that love, over a lifetime, teaches us how to obey.

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And our response back to Him because of this love is this, because its easy to say Lord Lord, but God is looking for a people of faith Rev14:12, to hear His sayings and do them.

Luke 6:46 “But why do you call Me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do the things which I say? 47 Whoever comes to Me, and hears My sayings and does them, I will show you whom he is like: 48 He is like a man building a house, who dug deep and laid the foundation on the rock. And when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently against that house, and could not shake it, for it was [j]founded on the rock. 49 But he who heard and did nothing is like a man who built a house on the earth without a foundation, against which the stream beat vehemently; and immediately it [k]fell. And the ruin of that house was great.”

Only one group hears these words

Rev 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

Mercy Shown said:

Do you believe that your faith is more genuine than a person who worships on sunday?

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My words and your words mean nothing, we are told to live by God's words, not just in part Mat4:4 and only He can righteously judge us- He tells us how we will judge us James2:11 Ecc12:13-14 Rev14:7 Rev14:12 Rev11:18-19 etc. and we can choose to believe Him and His teachings or not. I personally would be more focused on what God says than what other people think about other peoples faith which has no bearing on anyone's salvation in Christ.

This is what the apostles taught

Heb5:9 And having been perfected, He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him,

Its easy to say Lord Lord and Jesus said many will do this and not be saved. While we are not saved by our obedience to God, it reflects if our faith to Him is genuine or not. The faith part is what saves, the obedience part shows if our faith is true. He sorts out the wheat from the and tares, our goal should be focused on submitting ourselves to Christ and joining ourselves to Him to serve Him Isa56:6, because we love Him. John14:15.

He has given us everything and asks for so little in return in comparison. If one feels its too much burden to Remember what God our Father asked us to Exo20:8-11, to spend sacred time with God on the holy day of the Lord Isa58:13 that comes with His power of blessings Isa59:2 and sanctification Eze20:12 , when He gives us 6 days to do everything else we need to get done. Exo20:9 I do not believe this person would be happy in the New Heaven and New Earth where His Sabbath continues thus saith the Lord Isa66:22-23. Do you really think the God of Love would make people spend eternity worshipping Him on the Sabbath when they are so opposed it now? I believe His judgement will be one of love, because not everyone wants to give up their sins and turn to Jesus John3:19-21 they want the blessings He brings, but not how He says He brings them, they want it on their terms not God's. This is the story of the Bible and it continued on....

SabbathBlessings said:

My words and your words mean nothing, we are told to live by God's words, not just in part Mat4:4 and only He can righteously judge us- He tells us how we will judge us James2:11 Ecc12:13-14 Rev14:7 Rev14:12 Rev11:18-19 etc. and we can choose to believe Him and His teachings or not. I personally would be more focused on what God says than what other people think about other peoples faith which has no bearing on anyone's salvation in Christ.

This is what the apostles taught

Heb5:9 And having been perfected, He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him,

Its easy to say Lord Lord and Jesus said many will do this and not be saved. While we are not saved by our obedience to God, it reflects if our faith to Him is genuine or not. The faith part is what saves, the obedience part shows if our faith is true. He sorts out the wheat from the and tares, our goal should be focused on submitting ourselves to Christ and joining ourselves to Him to serve Him Isa56:6, because we love Him. John14:15.

He has given us everything and asks for so little in return in comparison. If one feels its too much burden to Remember what God asked us not to Exo20:8-11, to spend sacred time with God on the holy day of the Lord Isa58:13 that comes with His power of blessings Isa59:2 and sanctification Eze20:12 , when He gives us 6 days to do everything else we need to get done. I do not believe this person would be happy in the New Heaven and New Earth where His Sabbath continues thus saith the Lord Isa66:22-23. Do you really think the God of Love would make people spend eternity worshipping Him on the Sabbath when they are so opposed it now? I believe His judgement will be one of love, because not everyone wants to give us their sins and turn to Jesus John3:19-21 they want the blessings He brings, but not how He says He brings them, they want it on their terms not God's. This is the story of the Bible and it continued on....

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Thank you for taking the time to lay out your convictions and for grounding them so carefully in Scripture. I appreciate the emphasis on taking God’s Word seriously.

That said, I don’t think your response actually addressed the question that was asked. The question was not about whether God’s Word matters more than human words—we would all agree on that (Matt 4:4). The question was whether a Sabbath keeper has more genuine faith than a believer who worships on Sunday. That is a question about the nature of saving faith, not about the authority of Scripture.

As written, your post does seem to imply that Sabbath keepers possess a more genuine faith because they more fully obey the law. But Scripture is very clear that when it comes to judgment before God, no one can stand on the basis of obedience. “There is none righteous, no, not one” (Rom 3:10), and “whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become guilty of all of it” (James 2:10). Jesus Himself sets the bar not at sincere obedience, but at divine perfection: “You therefore must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect” (Matt 5:48).

This is exactly where Paul goes in Romans. After laying out what perfect law-keeping would require (Rom 2:6–13), he concludes that “by works of the law no human being will be justified in his sight” (Rom 3:20). The gospel is not that Jesus lowers the standard, but that He meets it for us. Christ “fulfilled all righteousness” (Matt 3:15), and His obedience is credited to those who believe: “For as by the one man’s disobedience the many were made sinners, so by the one man’s obedience the many will be made righteous” (Rom 5:19). This righteousness is received by faith alone, not by works (Rom 3:21–24; Phil 3:8–9).

Even our obedience, as real and important as it is, is ultimately God’s work in us: “For it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure” (Phil 2:13). Obedience is the fruit of salvation, not the measure of whose faith is more genuine (Eph 2:8–10).

So while sincere Christians may differ on Sabbath observance, Scripture does not teach that one group possesses a more authentic faith before God. Our standing rests entirely on Christ—His perfect life, His atoning death, and His imputed righteousness—received by faith alone, to the glory of God alone (Rom 4:5; 2 Cor 5:21).